ZSS General Discussion

[Mike2]

What's the best way for Snake to fight ZSS?

 

[Zero]

mortar slide to the other side of the stage

press the b button

repeat when she approaches

 

[Zero]

hi flamebabek

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

1. Short Hop Dair
2. Short Hop Nair
3. ????
4. Profit.

 

[Dakpo]

What's the best way for Snake to fight ZSS?

only if you tell us how to fight against snake >___>

 

[TeeVee]

any tips vs olimar plz

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Jab and DA.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Jab, DA, grab can be used, uair

We grab release **** him also

 

[infiniteV115]

@ Brosuke
It's not the same as a normal footstool. It does everything that a normal footstool does, but we can also do a fast, horizontal footstool if we're holding left/right when we footstool the opponent/item.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

@ Brosuke
It's not the same as a normal footstool. It does everything that a normal footstool does, but we can also do a fast, horizontal footstool if we're holding left/right when we footstool the opponent/item.

I'm very well informed about ZSS tyvm.

 

[fkacyan]

So, I wanna know if this will work on SV / Lylat. Gonna do some testing later tonight to check.

dsmash -> downb horizontal footstool -> platform cancel -> drop through -> redsmash

This would make Lylat kind of godlike if it worked.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Tested that in a different form.

Dsmash, footstool, platform cancel, dropthrough, lock with fair, dsmash

It works til fair stops locking, but the fair hitbox is too thin to hit certain characters. It won't work on Marth/Snake for sure. MK I'm unsure on (looked like it could hit) and well, yeah. That's all.


edit: also way hard to do =(

edit2:
Also, an entirely feasible edition of this combo on SV:
Dsmash > footstool > PC > fair > ftilt/da lock > nb > roll behind > lock to other side> time with platform > dsmash on getup > repeat

On LC we can
Dsmash > footstool > Pc > nb > dsmash > footstool > pc > nb etcetcetc

 

[fkacyan]

Tested that in a different form.

Dsmash, footstool, platform cancel, dropthrough, lock with fair, dsmash

It works til fair stops locking, but the fair hitbox is too thin to hit certain characters. It won't work on Marth/Snake for sure. MK I'm unsure on (looked like it could hit) and well, yeah. That's all.


edit: also way hard to do =(

edit2:
Also, an entirely feasible edition of this combo on SV:
Dsmash > footstool > PC > fair > ftilt/da lock > nb > roll behind > lock to other side> time with platform > dsmash on getup > repeat

On LC we can
Dsmash > footstool > Pc > nb > dsmash > footstool > pc > nb etcetcetc

Difficulty doesn't matter. If it works as a true infinite on Lylat on ANY characters it's stupid good.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Not any character, might be with a silent landing neutralB but who knows. Fair at least doesn't work on thin characters.

 

[fkacyan]

Not any character, might be with a silent landing neutralB but who knows. Fair at least doesn't work on thin characters.

I meant as in, if it works on any subset of all characters, not every character.

Bad phrasing on my part.

 

[TeeVee]

Jab, DA, grab can be used, uair

We grab release **** him also

what do we get out of grab releases?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ground release = jab, and jab true combos on Olimar, putting in in a situation where he can get sideB'd, dash attacked or regrabbed. Dash attack combos into jab in this position too lol
On air release we get uair.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzXdn_pjEUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3NM-vlrQEs

dtilt is the best move in the game

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Dtilt dsmash footstool all day errday

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Guys

i lost to a rob this weekend.
Obviously i'm awful..

What should i do?
Infinite aside

I got wrecked on brinstar
Last time i played him, i double 2 stocked him..

I'm not sure what i did wrong. I think i saved them though.
It's a 70:30
but obviously i'm doing it wrong.

 

[Dakpo]

vids and i can help a bit more

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

@Mink

Don't follow up with Uair because Nair.
UpB and UpSmash are pretty cool though.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Nair's startup time is huge but yeah it's ****ing scary. You can still uair sometimes.

 

[Dr. Tuen]

@Mink

Don't follow up with Uair because Nair.
UpB and UpSmash are pretty cool though.

I thought uair could beat all downward facing aerials when spaced properly. Is this untrue? It can outspace G&W's dair, so I'd suspect it should be able to outspace ROB's nair.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Rob's Nair has this weird delay to it, besides that, it's just not worth it to take the uair risk IMO, way better to use upb/usmash, that way you don't get killed at 80% if you accidentally misspace high up.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I was killed by nair like
45x.


GRRRRRRRR

and then on brinstar.. it was legit a ****storm.

 

[PEACE7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_JkAbD_Teg&feature=feedf&hd=1 Sooo good

 

[Dakpo]

@Mink

Don't follow up with Uair because Nair.
UpB and UpSmash are pretty cool though.

What? No way!!! Upair is so fast and ***** rob before he can ever get the move out. The only way that he would hit you with nair is if he predicts and starts really early. This is when you simply wait and bait the move and punish. Upair is our absolute best tool in this match up

 

[Ripple]

hey dakpo, that random call from me a few days ago was weird. my new phone transferred your number under my dads name. weird...

 

[Dakpo]

Lol! that was you?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Thanks for covering for me, Ripple.

 

[Ripple]

Thanks for covering for me, Ripple.

you owe me big time

 

[Dakpo]

so ...mk banned....how does everyone feel on the suject

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I guess tourneys themselves will sort themselves better. Aka, average skill levels lose vs better players instead of MK knocking good players into a stacked losers bracket lol.

I feel like i was becoming okay on the MK MU, but, overall i'm happy. Now i just have to worry about Falco.

I don't know if i should pick up IC's or Pikachu for it.

Whatch ya'll think?

 

[Paw]

be a man and win with zss

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

But i'm bad.


Like real bad.

 

[Zero]

you bad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q&ob=av2e

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Europe doesn't have it banned.

 

[Zero]

Shaya agrees with the decision and banned him here.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Well that's Shaya... lol