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ZSS General Discussion
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noradseven
Smash Lord
Have you played against anyone fast on port town, ZSS doesn't notice it as much as some ppl but you can stall the **** out of that stage, I mean this is the match lands hit runs away for 8 minutes wins.
Distant planet is seriously a ledge camp war, also chain grabs, and characters like snake standing on the side, make it incredably gay.
Also I think you meant abose u-air, man u-air is so broke for us on that level.
Fixed for you.
shlike
Smash Ace
try fighting a yoshi on distant planet on wifi who spams eggs from the bottom and camps
SO NOT COOL
SO NOT COOL
Adapt
Smash Lord
Seibrik finally got around to putting out his video...
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8191314
As most suspected, it involves dash attacking a shield and falling with them so you can attack.
If you look at the video, ZSS is at the very end.
The good thing here, is that it sets us up nicely for the ftilt lock. For a refresher on the lock:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=208156
Keep in mind, that this is only guaranteed on certain characters. Listed here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=245363
Now while this is rather situational... there is a better way to go about this:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6069139&postcount=68
Using up-smash to initiate the lock is sweet because there is no risk involved. Also, up-smashing an opponent standing on a platform above you is not a rare occurrence.
Discuss
Also, as an aside... I found out that I almost discovered the ROB infinite in the lock topic... but I wasn't using ROB as the opponent... I was using DK iirc.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5993630&postcount=48
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8191314
As most suspected, it involves dash attacking a shield and falling with them so you can attack.
If you look at the video, ZSS is at the very end.
The good thing here, is that it sets us up nicely for the ftilt lock. For a refresher on the lock:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=208156
Keep in mind, that this is only guaranteed on certain characters. Listed here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=245363
Now while this is rather situational... there is a better way to go about this:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6069139&postcount=68
Using up-smash to initiate the lock is sweet because there is no risk involved. Also, up-smashing an opponent standing on a platform above you is not a rare occurrence.
Discuss
Also, as an aside... I found out that I almost discovered the ROB infinite in the lock topic... but I wasn't using ROB as the opponent... I was using DK iirc.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5993630&postcount=48
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Dwaza, you are an amazin commentator.
Neither good nor bad imo, unless your opponent is MK.
Port Town = Few Teatherable Ledges = Probably the worst stage for ZSS.
solecalibur
Smash Master
One thing about DP you need to worry about it, is when the bulbin appears dont tether if your to far away from the edge closest to him. Find another way to recover because u'll land a little bit on him and fall (No 2nd jump back either). Ive only done it 3 times so I can't say it will happen 100% of the time but that's my guess
Thanks! but...Dazwa* ;_;
My Cat Owns
Smash Apprentice
People play on distant planet? I might if it didnt have a walk off or a giant shoopdawhoop like creature ready to eat you but yeah.
noradseven
Smash Lord
Uhhh thats the best part of the stage, and its p. fair actually, I love ledge hogging on his mouth :D.
solecalibur
Smash Master
only two places he eats you if you WALK inside his mouth or he stand above his eyes (about) anywhere else your safe just dont get cocky and taunt while on top of him and he walks backwards
noradseven
Smash Lord
ohh of course thats why it was so good, because I could just say ha, what are you going to do, stand on the edge hehehe.
Also screw you and your BEEEEESSSSSS.
solecalibur
Smash Master
are you talking about arakune O.o?
on topic watch out for marth users on distant planet they have alot more of an advantage on that stages (so it seems)
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
This made me lawl
noradseven
Smash Lord
Yes, arakune is gay.
On topic, everyone has an gay advantage on distant planet. the corner is sudden death, some characters can just sit under that platform and there isn't anything you can do.
**** bees. For real.
solecalibur
Smash Master
=(???
Why no bees
Ugh topic staying on it ....
uhh
Recovery do you overshoot it vs some characters then others so you don't tether
shlike
Smash Ace
i recover with dair only horizontally though
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
I make these snake mistakes
I make these phoney ropes
I make these snake mistakes
I know i know i know i know
Why won't these bees leave me alone
These bees get me and I say Ow
Why won't these bees leave me alone
I hate them bees
I make these phoney ropes
I make these snake mistakes
I know i know i know i know
Why won't these bees leave me alone
These bees get me and I say Ow
Why won't these bees leave me alone
I hate them bees
ThreeSided
Smash Ace
I'm sorry, but I'm COMPLETELY out of the loop. Where is this whole bees thing coming from?
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
For serious, so confused.
And sole calibur I think you mean recovering onstage vs on the ledge. It's generally accepted that you want to do that for a few matches, mainly the ones that can gimp you if you predictably go for the edge, like MK for example.
And sole calibur I think you mean recovering onstage vs on the ledge. It's generally accepted that you want to do that for a few matches, mainly the ones that can gimp you if you predictably go for the edge, like MK for example.
solecalibur
Smash Master
That is what I mean thx
That black squiggly thing on my sig is from a fighting game called Blazblue and he uses bees theres just alot of love for bees on zss fourms
noradseven
Smash Lord
Thankfully the power of my burning fists can stop it.
Also the taokaka bad end when she became bangs apprentice owned, and if you guys haven't seen it please do it owned.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=245971
I expect any of you who're still playing the game by then to attend.
I expect any of you who're still playing the game by then to attend.
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
I was already talking to my buddy at Drexel about coming to visit him like a week or so before that, shiiit son i might actually be able to make this
I still haven't gotten BlazBlue as I am broke and living with my parents with no job. But I will likely be acquiring a lot of cashey money for my birthday, which I will likely spend on BlazBlue. If you like, you can contribute to the "buy ph00tbag BlazBlue" fund.
As a birthday present.
Your internet voice sounded so defeated while you said this.
Don't ignore it.
noradseven
Smash Lord
Lol training grounds, teaching other people how to play online is good and all, but to really get good, you need to play against at least 4-5 different(skilled) players. And yeah I know they are supposed to be tutors and all for that character, but at least for the ZSS community watch some of dazwa's/snakeee/riddles RECENT matches, and just ask general questions over IRC to get peoples opinions on stuff. Many of us could sum up how to play ZSS fairly shortly, or at least how to get started :D.
Heh actually the NC scene is already starting to leave BB now lol, moving on to MBAA, until BB gets patched instant blocking is too **** good, unless your fighting one of the 3 top tiers that is.
Well, I've got it anyway now. I don't really care what the competitive scene is into (I mean, if I gave a **** what competitive scenes are into, I wouldn't spend most of my time playing B+). I really like Taokaka, so other fighting games can stuff it.
Bee Tee Dubs, I saw the Taokaka "bad" end, and I'm pretty sure bad is the opposite of how I'd describe it. I'd say it's more like best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4QgWRycd7I
Now THAT's a whip.
Now THAT's a whip.
noradseven
Smash Lord
The Bang/Taokaka end, that owned so hard, but I can't decide whether that or the Tager one with bang(finish bang with a super in tager route), was the best.
Seriously stop reading posts and go do it right now, ph00t.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Awww, poor Nya.
Main things to practice, in order of importance
Down smash follow ups
Not grabbing (might be hard since you play ICs and DDD, I know its hard for me to switch back and forth)
Dash Attack Lock
Main things to practice, in order of importance
Down smash follow ups
Not grabbing (might be hard since you play ICs and DDD, I know its hard for me to switch back and forth)
Dash Attack Lock
noradseven
Smash Lord
uhhh this is tottally wrong, d-smashs don't occur enough to warrent it, things to practice in order.
Weak u-air, hit box above and slightly behind ZSS, beats/trades with every move in the game.
Fast fall b-air(n-air) spacing, this **** is critical for not sucking, and due to the sniper shot like properties of b-air and n-airs weird angles and meatyness it really needs to be practiced. some ppl, daz/me, p. much live off of b-air pokes.
doing d-tilt/u-tilt/jab out of shield: Super easy super important don't for get to do a standing d-tilt to save 3 frames,
NOT GETTING GIMPED: god **** it please learn how not to get gimped
Item games: like really play with your friends with items on only ones similar to armor pieces, advantages you will own with items now, disadvantages so will your casual group
, but even then ZSS has a great item game.Dash attack true/sudo combos: I mean they are good, and they will occur a decent bit in matches.
D-smash follow ups: ones that matter.
d-smash run off edge b-air stage spike
d-smash down B spike
d-smash x2, (over B/f-air/u-air/grab/b-air(reverse normally))
d-smash, jab x2, jab x2, grab f-toss *descale combo, for stupids like me who degrade all their killing moves.
Not spacing over B/neutral B stupidly: Just look how often you get hit when you do it at X time and decide if its worth it.
Grab combos lol: they are good combos, but grab is a pain to hit relyably.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
ICs chain grabs don't happen enough to warrent a practice, they shouldn't be practiced.
^lol
Regardless, I'm with norad about the list of priorities being a little off.
IMO, it goes:
-Recovery - this is by far the first thing you should master above all else
-Knowing how to play without spamming the whip - it's pretty common among new players to just abuse sideb. But then the opponent learns how to PS. Then what? Hard to adjust if you're so used to just using that move to space.
-Suit piece game - mine still sucks lol
-Learning the (limited) OoS options and when to apply them - including not shieldgrabbing all that often, if ever
-As norad said, spacing aerials properly so they "tipper" in most cases, as well as learning the different hitboxes of nair and uair
-Dsmash follow ups - honestly, most of these are pretty basic to do. They shouldn't take long at all
-NEVER USE FSMASH
-ATs - dazlocks, ROB infinite, that new 28-90% legit combo or whatever, etc.
Regardless, I'm with norad about the list of priorities being a little off.
IMO, it goes:
-Recovery - this is by far the first thing you should master above all else
-Knowing how to play without spamming the whip - it's pretty common among new players to just abuse sideb. But then the opponent learns how to PS. Then what? Hard to adjust if you're so used to just using that move to space.
-Suit piece game - mine still sucks lol
-Learning the (limited) OoS options and when to apply them - including not shieldgrabbing all that often, if ever
-As norad said, spacing aerials properly so they "tipper" in most cases, as well as learning the different hitboxes of nair and uair
-Dsmash follow ups - honestly, most of these are pretty basic to do. They shouldn't take long at all
-NEVER USE FSMASH
-ATs - dazlocks, ROB infinite, that new 28-90% legit combo or whatever, etc.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
I only brought up the very basics, since it sounded like Nya was just getting started.