ZGD: Livin by a thread.

[-Mars-]

Riot does have a point that sounds extremely fun.....permission to call u dat????????????

 

[mountain_tiger]

IMO both the Peach and Zelda mains go to the dark side when they start maining Zero Suit Sluttus. Stupid *****, go back to Redlight.

Peach and Zelda will never start a war to each other. NEVER.

Spoiler

Peach is slightly better though. Srry Zelda ;_;

Slightly better? A bit of an understatement lol. Zelda is the one character that gets screwed from below more than Peach does, she has no approaches, no camping ability, no decent projectile, all of which Peach has... That's like saying that Super Mario Bros 3 is slightly better than Action 52...

@ KayLo!: ZSS is definitely worth learning, even though her learning curve is higher than most... Just make sure you don't fall into the trap of spamming side B (spam Uair and Bair instead )

 

[-Mars-]

I really don't think ZSS is all that good. Some people are claiming top 10 and I just laugh whenever i see that.

 

[mountain_tiger]

I really don't think ZSS is all that good. Some people are claiming top 10 and I just laugh whenever i see that.

ZSS isn't top ten material, but she's still pretty good. She has decent tourney results considering that she doesn't have many people repping her.

Besides, it's not all about how good the character is; it's about how much fun they are. I mean, if we were solely focused on winning and nothing else, everyone would main Meta Knight!

 

[Meru.]

^
I didn't mean it in terms of gameplay ;p. Just the character overall. Zelda is :D, Peach is :D:D:D:D:D, ZSS is D:

Also, ZSS has way more rep than Zelda or Peach. I don't understand why!

If I could play ZSS, I'd definitely play her instead of Zelda.

ZSS >>>> Zelda > Peach.

...

*kills Pikachu*

I really don't think ZSS is all that good. Some people are claiming top 10 and I just laugh whenever i see that.

I agree.

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

ZSS is great. Until you realize SideB and Dsmash are almost useless moves. And than you start to realize she's great... if the people you play are always in the air.

She doesn't have particularly great, or any, grounded options most of the time. Sadly.

 

[Brinzy]

Wow, this is the first time I've seen you post since... forever. Where did you disappear to?

Life has been pretty amazing, mostly.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

ZSS is great. Until you realize SideB and Dsmash are almost useless moves. And than you start to realize she's great... if the people you play are always in the air.

She doesn't have particularly great, or any, grounded options most of the time. Sadly.

yes she does, crawl is her best move. especially the reverse one. all males stop to look. except DDD.

Life has been pretty amazing, mostly.

really? can we get a detail or two?

 

[Toadallstar2]

yes she does, crawl is her best move. especially the reverse one. all males stop to look. except DDD.

Haha one time when I was playing in a basic brawl. My ZSS was backward crawling on I think a Lucas or something. And he kept crouching..lol it was so wrong.

 

[Bandit]

Have a good weekend Zeldas!! I have a live stream smashfest going on tomorrow night for Brawl+. Anyone interested in watching?

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

YES!

Brawl+ everything is great.

 

[Bandit]

I'll post the link here tomorrow, and it should be posted in the Brawl+ 6.0 thread.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Haha one time when I was playing in a basic brawl. My ZSS was backward crawling on I think a Lucas or something. And he kept crouching..lol it was so wrong.

i do that when im dominatrix Zamus all the time. unfortunately the scrubs i normally play with don't appreciate it so i just spam sideB cause they forget to block/dodge it.

Mars being banned makes me sad.

and anyone know some good affordable games for Wii/360 that aren't shooter or fighters?

i hate shooters and my boyfriend is about to make me rage about the fighters.

 

[Bandit]

XBox360 Owner Here...
Guitar Hero or Rockband is always good

*looks at rest of games*
... shooter
... shooter
... shooter
... shooter

I got nothing. The only other games I have are racing or sports or shooters.

Forza Racing games are extremely good if you like racing games.

I have a Marvel beat-em up as well that came with the Forza game. It's so easy I could play blindfolded in the next room and never die.

 

[GreyFox86]

XBox360 Owner Here...
Guitar Hero or Rockband is always good

*looks at rest of games*
... shooter
... shooter
... shooter
... shooter

I got nothing. The only other games I have are racing or sports or shooters.

Forza Racing games are extremely good if you like racing games.

I have a Marvel beat-em up as well that came with the Forza game. It's so easy I could play blindfolded in the next room and never die.

Then you hop on that Blazblue and you play me till BBCS comes out. >=O

 

[JigglyZelda003]

XBox360 Owner Here...
Guitar Hero or Rockband is always good

*looks at rest of games*
... shooter
... shooter
... shooter
... shooter

I got nothing. The only other games I have are racing or sports or shooters.

Forza Racing games are extremely good if you like racing games.

I have a Marvel beat-em up as well that came with the Forza game. It's so easy I could play blindfolded in the next room and never die.

got GH on wii already, it provides some entertainment.

i guess i'll give Forza racing a shot. and if i continue to own 360 i might as well learn how to tolerate shooters.....

 

[Half-Split Soul]

Life has been pretty amazing, mostly.

Hmm... good or bad kind of amazing?

Haha one time when I was playing in a basic brawl. My ZSS was backward crawling on I think a Lucas or something. And he kept crouching..lol it was so wrong.

That wasn't wrong. This is.

and anyone know some good affordable games for Wii/360 that aren't shooter or fighters?

I've heard some good things about Braid.

 

[Good Ol' Tree]

I just have one thing to say:

Platform runoff > LK is all too sweet!

 

[mountain_tiger]

So... does the Zelda board feel that Jigglypuff is better than Zelda or not? A lot of people in the tier list thread seem to be suggesting this. I originally thought that Zelda was marginally better, but now I'm not so sure... After all, Jigglypuff has better approaches, recovery and she can air camp, so perhaps she IS better than Zelda overall. What do you guys (and girls) think?

 

[Kataefi]

Ganon is better than Zelda!

 

[zeldspazz]

Yeah seriously MT, dont think too much of that thread. I read it for the lulz now x.x

No matter what anyone thinks its still the same character you tried when the game came out.

And to answer your question, yes, I think Jiggs is better than Zelda.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

So... does the Zelda board feel that Jigglypuff is better than Zelda or not? A lot of people in the tier list thread seem to be suggesting this. I originally thought that Zelda was marginally better, but now I'm not so sure... After all, Jigglypuff has better approaches, recovery and she can air camp, so perhaps she IS better than Zelda overall. What do you guys (and girls) think?

i think of them as the same level of lowness.

no one uses JP either so who cares?

 

[GreyFox86]

Yeah seriously MT, dont think too much of that thread. I read it for the lulz now x.x

No matter what anyone thinks its still the same character you tried when the game came out.

And to answer your question, yes, I think Jiggs is better than Zelda.

Not by much. If anything if you were to put it in her favor it would be 55-45 JP.

Sure JP can gimp, but she can get gimped by Zelda at the same time.

I really don't want to go into detail with this MU but in favor to Zelda, the MU is 6-4 IMO. At worst its 55-45 in JP's favor IMO. JP just doesn't have the weight to compete against Zelda and her massive ground game.

 

[zeldspazz]

Not the matchup, just overall x.x

I think its in Zelda's favor for the MU

 

[JigglyZelda003]

for the matchup its between even or 60:40 Zelda.

and that thread is lolzy when SFP said JP should be mid tier.

 

[zeldspazz]

Ikr

I think he was trollin to see how ppl would react.

 

[GreyFox86]

Lol, you'd have to be to say JP is Mid tier at most. xD

 

[mountain_tiger]

The tier list thread would be better if you didn't have someone asking 'When's the next tier list coming out?' every second post... SFP also thinks that Ivysaur > Charizard and that Diddy > Snake. Make of that what you will.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Zelda hits bottom 4 in the next tier list. I don't think she's quite that bad, but bashing Zelda seems to be the current bandwagon, and ultimately there aren't really the tourney results to prove otherwise...

I'm not 100% sure on the MU. Is Jigglypuff small enough to SDI downwards out of USmash? Because if not, it eats up all of her approaches.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Zelda hits bottom 4 in the next tier list. I don't think she's quite that bad, but bashing Zelda seems to be the current bandwagon, and ultimately there aren't really the tourney results to prove otherwise...

What are you talking about, Zelda is horrible and you know that.

Also, I agree with Ivysaur > Charizard.

I'm out.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Oddly enough, Jiggs and Zelda are quite similar, characters that are overall bad but have random high tiered good MUs.

Jigg's diddy MU is more important in the metagame as it is, I'd probably give gives a hand up, that and she's quite good at playing gay.


The thing is, Jiggs is very underrated, and far better then the rest of the characters in her tier, so "jiggs is better then Zelda" probably doesn't mean much.

 

[KayLo!]

I think Zelda's better than Jiggs.

Granted, I don't know many awesome Jiggs players, but.... I haven't seen anything from any Jigglypuff in Brawl that made me go "heyyy, maybe she's not so bad."

Maybe if she was a bit heavier, but she just dies so freaking early. And besides Rest, I never have much of a problem not being killed by her til ridiculous percentages.

 

[Meru.]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Zelda hits bottom 4 in the next tier list. I don't think she's quite that bad, but bashing Zelda seems to be the current bandwagon, and ultimately there aren't really the tourney results to prove otherwise...

People bash characters because they know that some characters must drop in order that other characters can rise. If there's one person (mostly one that is quite well-known) bashes a character, everyone from smashboards will do so too, even though they have no idea what they're talking about.

Many say that GW should drop. Do they know why? Have they experienced this themselves? Would they think/say the same if nobody had bashed the character earlier? Around 90% does not know any of this, or they simply quote something that the first character-basher has said before. The same goes for characters such as Kirby, R.O.B. and of course Zelda as well as a few others.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Question guys. I beed studing frames and all that stuff with my character and everything else. if you want a heads up on what I been doing just read the first paragraph on this thread.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=263459

You get the idea from this thread. Now if you want, I can do this for Zelda. Just have to study her frames and hit box. then apply all the other complicated stuff to it/ That way you can know your options with her. And what not to do.

it does not have to be only planking though. Any general information. this might actually help with Match ups to see what you can really do and not do. Knowing your options help.

So if you want, I'll go for it.

 

[zeldspazz]

I dont see a reason why we wouldnt want you to Dark

Please go for it!

 

[Toadallstar2]

That wasn't wrong. This is.

... I stand corrected.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Ikr

I think he was trollin to see how ppl would react.

people in that thread are too easily trolled

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Zelda hits bottom 4 in the next tier list. I don't think she's quite that bad, but bashing Zelda seems to be the current bandwagon, and ultimately there aren't really the tourney results to prove otherwise...

tourney results aside.....i don't think she'd hit bottom 4. but since no one uses her shes like free to pick on

I'm not 100% sure on the MU. Is Jigglypuff small enough to SDI downwards out of USmash? Because if not, it eats up all of her approaches.

i believe she is, but i've rarely been able to SDI out of it. Zelda can stop them with well times jabs as well, albeit the risk of trade if your spacing is a bit off.

Maybe if she was a bit heavier, but she just dies so freaking early. And besides Rest, I never have much of a problem not being killed by her til ridiculous percentages.

meh. thats why we're supposed to do it like Wario and aircamp till we win by time out.

@Dark Pch.
Yes go for it

 

[mountain_tiger]

i believe she is, but i've rarely been able to SDI out of it. Zelda can stop them with well times jabs as well, albeit the risk of trade if your spacing is a bit off.

The USmash thing is pretty make-or-break in this MU. Because if she can't SDI downwards, that would allow Zelda to **** all of her approaches (you can force her to approach if you have a percent/stock lead) with ease, and keep her in the great position of being above you. However, if she can SDI down, that allows her to FSmash/DSmash Zelda during the cooldown, which would likely lead her off-stage at mid percents upwards, at which point she can gimp you, thus meaning that she takes 5% damage or so, whilst you either: a) die or b) take a lot of damage trying to make it back on-stage... So, er, yeah...

P.S. Completely off-topic, is it OK to eat fudge with braces?

 

[JigglyZelda003]

The USmash thing is pretty make-or-break in this MU. Because if she can't SDI downwards, that would allow Zelda to **** all of her approaches (you can force her to approach if you have a percent/stock lead) with ease, and keep her in the great position of being above you. However, if she can SDI down, that allows her to FSmash/DSmash Zelda during the cooldown, which would likely lead her off-stage at mid percents upwards, at which point she can gimp you, thus meaning that she takes 5% damage or so, whilst you either: a) die or b) take a lot of damage trying to make it back on-stage... So, er, yeah...

P.S. Completely off-topic, is it OK to eat fudge with braces?

meh thats also why its tend to be thought of as **** for JP, when i don't think it is, just challenging. as long as your not behind its best if JP sits and dances with Zeldas outside of her range waiting for a way in. cause you can't force an approach on Zelda, her hitboxs and priority are too big.

when approaching Zelda anyway you never go above her, i only do so when she's in cooldown w/ Dair trying to beat her to the next action and cause the hitbox stays out a long time. mostly poke at her face w/ Nair/Bair, even Fair. no point in saving it for killing when i die at 70% and like KayLo! said, Zelda dying at extreme percents.



idk about braces, but i assume it wouldn't be a good idea.

 

[mountain_tiger]

meh thats also why its tend to be thought of as **** for JP, when i don't think it is, just challenging. as long as your not behind its best if JP sits and dances with Zeldas outside of her range waiting for a way in. cause you can't force an approach on Zelda, her hitboxs and priority are too big.

If Jigglypuff is in the lead, she can aircamp, and ultimately Zelda doesn't have many ways to get around it if it's done properly...

when approaching Zelda anyway you never go above her, i only do so when she's in cooldown w/ Dair trying to beat her to the next action and cause the hitbox stays out a long time. mostly poke at her face w/ Nair/Bair, even Fair. no point in saving it for killing when i die at 70% and like KayLo! said, Zelda dying at extreme percents.

In that case, couldn't Zelda simply use FSmash, jab or FTilt to cover her other angles? I'm pretty sure they outrange Jiggly's aerials...

Besides, Jigglypuff doesn't need to outright kill Zelda. She just has to gimp her. She an safely go anywhere off-stage, and once you start to up B, they can Fair you to death. Actually, they could use Bair or Nair either really...

idk about braces, but i assume it wouldn't be a good idea.

Guess I'll just play it safe then. It sucks that you can't have gum or caramel either (I had the latter by accident once. Fortunately it didn't stick), and plus you have to brush your teeth three times a day rather than two to avoid major plaque build-up.

They'd better be amazing teeth once I'm finished with them...

 

[MrEh]

In that case, couldn't Zelda simply use FSmash, jab or FTilt to cover her other angles? I'm pretty sure they outrange Jiggly's aerials...

That's not the point. Jiggs' range is pretty poor. She relies on baiting and weaving to get some extra damage in, a tactic that Zelda fares poorly against, since she lags so hard.

Sometimes, the best option is just to Usmash a lot.