Q&A Zero Suit Samus- Quick Question, Quick Answer Thread

[Tito Maas]

How many people here use tap jump? I feel like that would help me string UAirs if I had it onon. Couple ZSS mains mentioned that they turn on tap jump when they use her.

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

How many people here use tap jump? I feel like that would help me string UAirs if I had it onon. Couple ZSS mains mentioned that they turn on tap jump when they use her.

I think it's a hindrance and only comes down to preference. Doing proper uAir strings with z jump isn't hard.

 

[Tito Maas]

I think it's a hindrance and only comes down to preference. Doing proper uAir strings with z jump isn't hard.

Z jump?

And yeah I'm hesitant to turn it on because I prefer to do UAirs with inputs instead of C-Stick but if it would help better in the long run I'll make the switch.

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

Z jump?

And yeah I'm hesitant to turn it on because I prefer to do UAirs with inputs instead of C-Stick but if it would help better in the long run I'll make the switch.

I have jump on z (GC controller) because it leaves your thumb free for c stick action

 

[Peahnuts]

Yeah I got to the conclusion that I was just being too obvious with it. Sometimes I maybe started it too far below him too. Well atleast now I kinda figured out when/how to use it. Also getting the DThrow -> UpAir consistently.

Another quick question, is DThrow -> UpB a true combo at some percents / on some characters ?

At some percents if they DI in yes it does true combo. Not too many people go for it though since it's a huge risk and leaves you very open if whiffed. Also I generally find people don't DI into zss around kill percent haha.

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

So I've been thinking about PP dSmash and foxtrot turnaround dSmash lately and came to the conclusion that it would be way easier to execute with c-stick set to smash. Now I don't want to lose my precious tilts. turnaround tilts, buffer dash attacks and better aerial mobility.
What do you guys prefer? How do you do the whole dSmash stuff?

 

[infiniteV115]

I have my C-stick set to smash, and I don't use foxtrot turnaround dSmash, or PPs (at all).
You can buffer dash attacks with C-stick down, just not when dashing backwards

 

[Remzi]

I don't think gaining PP Dsmash is worth losing all the other benefits of C-stick set to attack

 

[apparently fuz]

I don't think gaining PP Dsmash is worth losing all the other benefits of C-stick set to attack

As I'm stuck with the 3DS version for the time being, it's simply infuriating to lose momentum by mistakenly imputing f-smashes instead of f-tilts, which frequently gets me punished.

Say if I were to switch to a Gamecube controller - would it be wise for me to set my c-stick for tilts or smash attacks as a ZSS main?

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

I don't think gaining PP Dsmash is worth losing all the other benefits of C-stick set to attack

My thoughts exactly so far

 

[Shaya]

Has anyone thought of a comfortable hand set up + general usages of forward air out of shield?
I've been going through "lazy" or "compensation" habits lately and to some extent aerials out of shield is something I almost don't do at all on ZSS at this stage.
Probably because avoiding zairing is a little awkward.

 

[Peahnuts]

Not a solution but I also thought I'd mention that aerials OOS don't seem to be a thing for me with ZSS either. Wonder what the reason for this is, and if it's just a personal thing. Would be cool to hear opinions.

 

[Shaya]

If you're lightly holding the shield button still, you'll zair every time, you have to let go before you buffer an aerial during your jump.

I find it easier to up air out of shield than fair oos :<

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

If you're lightly holding the shield button still, you'll zair every time, you have to let go before you buffer an aerial during your jump.

I find it easier to up air out of shield than fair oos :<

Now that you say it, I don't use many aerials OOS either. nAir, sometimes bAir, but it's not like I buffer them.
Which button do you use to shield?

 

[Shaya]

Both is the shortest I can say it. I adjust hand positions for varying timings/things, I think in this situation I'd probably be holding right more often.

I've been practicing up air out of shield as it hits human height characters and is basically busted/a free stock.
I think (but not necessarily implement well yet), air dodge out of shield is really really smart and potentially optimal in the future.
You can fair oos and hit tall characters with the first hit but it won't likely combo into the second, but it does function as our fastest/longest range anti-air OoS. Hence I need it to be comfortable so I can use it as such.

 

[Remzi]

Do you use tap jump Shaya? If so, I made a video of a really easy way to buffer all SH aerials. Works great for SH Fairs OoS, I do them quite often using this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnTF4GQQDA

 

[Otterz]

How are you guys feeling about Dreamland for ZSS? Should it be used as another Battlefield?

 

[Jaxas]

How are you guys feeling about Dreamland for ZSS? Should it be used as another Battlefield?

I like it personally, it seems good since it's basically battlefield but with a lower ceiling

 

[Remzi]

yep, basically another BF but slightly better since lower ceiling and higher platforms. the addition of DL instead of Lylat to starter lists was a huge indirect buff to ZSS imo

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

How are you guys feeling about Dreamland for ZSS? Should it be used as another Battlefield?

It's better than BF. Lower ceiling, higher platforms, more space to navigate and dSpecial kicks that are actually easily hittable near the ledge.

 

[Shaya]

Do you use tap jump Shaya? If so, I made a video of a really easy way to buffer all SH aerials. Works great for SH Fairs OoS, I do them quite often using this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnTF4GQQDA

You newb I was teasing you about this video on twitter
And how is the part where I've got a wonky finger too close to the shield button (that only needs light tap to register) popping me zairs to do with double stick inputs (which is what I do as I have tap jump on~)

yep, basically another BF but slightly better since lower ceiling and higher platforms. the addition of DL instead of Lylat to starter lists was a huge indirect buff to ZSS imo

Lylat is a really good ZSS stage though. Although maybe at this point of time to those who haven't practiced on it much DL breaking into starters (I hate it so much) will be better for them.

 

[Remzi]

You newb I was teasing you about this video on twitter
And how is the part where I've got a wonky finger too close to the shield button (that only needs light tap to register) popping me zairs to do with double stick inputs (which is what I do as I have tap jump on~)

I feel so dumb right now on so many levels, hahaha

 

[Shaya]

It's a good video though, <3 to see you around though
You being around discussions again would be sweet

 

[Remzi]

Thanks Shaya

I'll definitely try to be more involved around here

 

[Dr. Tuen]

The perfect pivot down smash stuff is interesting... I've been trying to use more down smash. Anyone know if the A+B to smash thing helps any? Or is the smash c-stick required to PP down smash?

 

[Jams.]

Does ZSS still have ledge grab vulnerability when she tethers?

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

The perfect pivot down smash stuff is interesting... I've been trying to use more down smash. Anyone know if the A+B to smash thing helps any? Or is the smash c-stick required to PP down smash?

It doesn't really help since you still need your left stick down. c stick makes it way easier but I really don't want to lose my tilts.

 

[Shaya]

wait, left stick in a direction + tilt stick = smash attack?

 

[Peahnuts]

Does ZSS still have ledge grab vulnerability when she tethers?

She is vulnerable while on the tether, but once she grabs the ledge she gains invcibility like usual. If you regrab in anyway you lose it unless you return to the stage first.

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

wait, left stick in a direction + tilt stick = smash attack?

You mean c stick tilt + left stick? That works if I remember correctly.

 

[Shaya]

so they removed the same input with smash c-stick giving you tilts but added it to tilt stick!? (or it was already there...)

What in the world is the point of anything not tilt stick then.... I guess pivot/dash fsmashes would be harder.... and I've just started implementing that into my game, ughhhhh. Maybe it'll be fine.

I'm going to have to give it a shot next time I play... I may finally have to end my reign of "never needing to set up controls".

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

so they removed the same input with smash c-stick giving you tilts but added it to tilt stick!? (or it was already there...)

What in the world is the point of anything not tilt stick then.... I guess pivot/dash fsmashes would be harder.... and I've just started implementing that into my game, ughhhhh. Maybe it'll be fine.

I'm going to have to give it a shot next time I play... I may finally have to end my reign of "never needing to set up controls".

Tell me when/if you get PP dSmash to work properly without a smash c stick. Because I can't, at least not FAST.

 

[Shaya]

I could perfect pivot down tilt with smash c-stick + analog down prior to the patch that changed it.

 

[Vermillion]

Sooo... Anyone noticing a difference since the balance patch ? Sorry is there already a discussion about this going on somewhere.

 

[jset818]

What is ZSS's worst matchup besides Shiek? Also, I main Rosalina and I have a hard time trying to Uair ZSS when she's in the air, normally she would just flipkick (side B?) away, how do I punish her for that? I know if she does her flipkick and then it hits my shield, I can easily punish but can I still punish her if she doesn't do the kick? Is she in free fall? Can she perform other attacks?

P.S. I don't own a WiiU

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

What is ZSS's worst matchup besides Shriek? Also, I main Rosalina and I have a hard time trying to Uair ZSS when she's in the air, normally she would just flipkick (side B?) away, how do I punish her for that? I know if she does her flipkick and then it hits my shield, I can easily punish but can I still punish her if she doesn't do the kick? Is she in free fall? Can she perform other attacks?

P.S. I don't own a WiiU

I'd say Pikachu. A lot of stuff misses, even grabbing his landings can miss because he is so goddamn small. I don't think it's too bad though and neither is Sheik. I actually believe Pikachu is worse than Sheik.

 

[boneflesh]

hey guys, this is my first post on the forum so i don't know if this should be here.

anyway, i grab / paralyzer a lot in the neutral and often get punished for it and become predictable. are there any options i could use instead?

 

[hiROI]

hey guys, this is my first post on the forum so i don't know if this should be here.

anyway, i grab / paralyzer a lot in the neutral and often get punished for it and become predictable. are there any options i could use instead?

Mix up with short hop nair and zair

 

[boneflesh]

Mix up with short hop nair and zair

i've been trying out nair, and it's great as it can combo into dtilt, dash attacks and fairs, but i don't really get the use of zair. is it used as just a poke or a combo tool?

 

[David Viran]

i've been trying out nair, and it's great as it can combo into dtilt, dash attacks and fairs, but i don't really get the use of zair. is it used as just a poke or a combo tool?

Both.