Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[Trieste SP]

It might be better if we prayed for your soul.

By the way it isn't my first tournament going full Zelda.

 

[Aunt Jemima]

How do you think the Kirby/Villager MU plays out? I kind of hate it as Villager because I can't get my slingshots to connect and Kirby has a good grab game which is bad for Villager. /serious

Kirby is similar to Rosalina in that on paper he beats Kirby, yet... Kirby doesn't struggle. Being one of the smallest characters in the game plus having the shortest crouches makes avoiding slingshots easy. Lloid Rocket doesn't really work that well as Kirby has multiple jumps, and Pushy Lloid isn't that threatening because of how slow it moves. Kirby is lucky to have his Copy Ability, so he can pocket everything Villager throws out, which makes it a lot riskier to projectile. Once Kirby gets in, Villager can't get him out easily, but f3 N-Air is a pretty nice combo breaker. Villager can't really edgeguard Kirby, while Kirby can edgeguard Villager due to Upper Cutter and Meteor Stone. ADHD dumb camp doesn't work, either, because Meteor Stone and Giant Hammer. Counter Sapling doesn't do much either because Kirby's advantage state usually involves being aerial, but it does ruin some jab approaches, pivot shenanigans, and dash grab stuff. Also, Kirby's advantage state is improved if he any projectile excluding Lloid or probably Tree pocketed, as he can use them all in combos.

Villager can try to wall Kirby out, but once he's in, Villager can't get away. Customs aren't that helpful in this MU, so default would probably be best for the axe. I've played a lot of Villager mains, even one that somehow beat zeezee (or whatever his name is) in a Bof5. However, I haven't played one recently so... foyt may.

/sloppypost

 

[Lavani]

More teleport recoveries should be like Meta Knight's Dimensional Cape and let you move in any direction while the warp's in progress, instead of being "okay you held in this direction when you disappeared, better buckle up!"

 

[Antonykun]

First Swordfighter I ever played belonged to @ Antonykun . He did some weird side-b which brought him to the ledge from the blastzone as I was going offstage to Thunder him. I was like, what the heck, what is that move, and immediately and prematurely concluded that Swordfighter was better than dead last on the tier list.

Would have found out more, but apparently he was downloading a water buffalo because the lag overwhelmed us thereafter.

"Oh yeah aerial assault is delish amazing recovery to an archetype representative whose archetype rarely have good recoveries" Is what i would say until i get the feeling @ Unknownkid will stare at me with the "You like Krabby Patties don't you Squidward?" face

Edit: @ Aunt Jemima he's zee but goes by zeezee and great job on beating him.

 

[Mocha]

H-huh? Greninja can be mobile on wifi? Oh, do tell please.

 

[BJN39]

@ Shaya I'm legit curious about this "FE Tier", (Could you mean ALL FE chars, do you mean as the next 'hyrule tier'?) mind elaborating?

 

[Ffamran]

By the way it isn't my first tournament going full Zelda.

May Hylia have mercy on your soul.

H-huh? Greninja can be mobile on wifi? Oh, do tell please.

Hit and run. Hit. And. Run. Be like a guerrilla frog.

 

[Kofu]

Kirby is similar to Rosalina in that on paper he beats Kirby, yet... Kirby doesn't struggle.

Kirbyception? I'm impressed Kirby doesn't struggle against Kirby.

foyt may.

Can't play right now but I would love to at some point.

 

[Lavani]

Be like a guerrilla frog.

So, I totally know what you meant, but it didn't keep me from thinking of Greninja's textures on DK's model.

Someone should get on that, Longchu needs a rival.

 

[Shaya]

Swordfighter has Aerials that auto cancel?
Instant non-bottom tier.

@ Shaya I'm legit curious about this "FE Tier", (Could you mean ALL FE chars, do you mean as the next 'hyrule tier'?) mind elaborating?

You got it.
Lucina is trash, just about everyone agrees.
Marth is kinda trash, Japan definitely agrees.
Robin is also kinda trash, not sure how trash though, but Japan thinks they're bottom 3. Western scene had a lot of Robin love early on from top level players and we've perhaps been jaded.
Ike, even after buffs (I think Shulk too) probably still aren't that great. Japan thinks he's low tier

 

[Kofu]

Swordfighter has Aerials that auto cancel?
Instant non-bottom tier.

Is this a stab at Shaya

 

[Antonykun]

Swordfighter has Aerials that auto cancel?
Instant non-bottom tier.

Swordfighter's AC moves are U-air and N-air. U-air is only useful in advantage and N-air reminds me I'm Tsundere for Swordfighter.

 

[Unknownkid]

"Oh yeah aerial assault is delish amazing recovery to an archetype representative whose archetype rarely have good recoveries" Is what i would say until i get the feeling @ Unknownkid will stare at me with the "You like Krabby Patties don't you Squidward?" face

Edit: @ Aunt Jemima he's zee but goes by zeezee and great job on beating him.

Fix your internet son!

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

That trailer is wonderful.

It is amazing exactly what the PMDev team can do. Like mind blowing.

 

[Kofu]

Swordfighter's AC moves are U-air and N-air. U-air is only useful in advantage and N-air reminds me I'm Tsundere for Swordfighter.

I thought BAir low jump ACed. But I haven't used SF in ages.

 

[Antonykun]

Fix your internet son!

In my defense both my roommate was working while we shared the same router and me and @ NairWizard live cross country

 

[Soul.]

Just about every BAir can autocancel lol

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I'm failing to see why Japan considers Robin trash...he/she's not the best character, but in no way bottom tier

 

[Themeatgrinder]

Project M 3.6 trailer.
Smash 64 stages hype gorls.

Gettin hyped, too bad like 95% of us here isn't giving it attention

 

[Nammy12]

Can someone tell me how to embed a gfy?
Do I just use the media button?

 

[Deleted member]

HOW IN THE **** DOES THIS THREAD MOVE SO QUICKLY. I LITERALLY TOOK A SMALL NAP AND I CAME BACK TO 10 OR MORE PAGES. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE AND I STILL CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS THREAD GOES SO FAST.

 

[Spirst]

Can someone tell me how to embed a gfy?
Do I just use the media button?

yes

 

[Antonykun]

I thought BAir low jump ACed. But I haven't used SF in ages.

Is having 20 frames before you Autocancel means that it is worthwhile?
If so then yeah B-air is a great move overall.

 

[Shaya]

G&W's kit doesn't really have much lag in the first place. You beat the guy by punishing his movements, not his attacks.

I'm failing to see why Japan considers Robin trash...he/she's not the best character, but in no way bottom tier

They were probably 1-up on us in terms of seeing the potential Emblem Tier.
But eh, Robin probably has a solid disadvantage against every high tier/viable character. Maybe not Rosalina IIRC, also Japan has the Pits rated very high too and they're quite popular, not a fun match up for her either (Villager is considered high too, ouch).
It's funny because Robin has a seriously overloaded kit in terms of "options", but tacticians are always meant to lose, because obviously Sakurai is bad at strategy games.

 

[NairWizard]

WiFi is complete garbage for competitive purposes. Reaction is the most important component of fighting games and it's super hard to react and respond with precise movement to that reaction online.

Nevertheless, fun times are had, along with new experiences. I mean, if I only played in tournaments, I would never get to actually face a Swordfighter.

It never even occurred to me that Swordfighter was in the game until I fought Antonykun.

 

[Unknownkid]

Swordfighter's AC moves are U-air and N-air. U-air is only useful in advantage and N-air reminds me I'm Tsundere for Swordfighter.

You can AutoCancel or the better term is Frame Cancel F-Air after the second hit. Timmy did a Fair-> Upsmash on an Jigglypuff.

 

[FullMoon]

It does make me wonder sometimes if it's even worth it trying to play Sm4sh competitively when you don't have an active scene nearby, I'm pretty much stuck to WiFi as it is.

 

[Blossom ✿]

So, I totally know what you meant, but it didn't keep me from thinking of Greninja's textures on DK's model.

Someone should get on that, Longchu needs a rival.

You beat me to the punch on the "gorilla frog" lol ah well
Whenever textures hacks become a thing for Smash 4, I'd kill to see a hack of Greninja and Donkey Kong fused together into an abomination as if they did the fusion dance incorrectly. Now that would be just be lovely...
Edit: Hold up, I just remembered that glitch involving Nabbit causing character models getting stuck onto each other. brb going to see if I can get Greninja and DK stuck together.

 

[Kofu]

G&W's kit doesn't really have much lag in the first place. You beat the guy by punishing his movements, not his attacks.

You'll have to elaborate on this. I understand that his moves are generally on the "average to slow startup but quick recovery" side but the lag from low jumping his aerials adds up quick in my eyes. It weakens his ability to pressure the opponent which, if I can't kill well, I at least want to be able to stress them out.

Though to be fair, I try to weave in and out as much as possible to mitigate this weakness.

Is having 20 frames before you Autocancel means that it is worthwhile?
If so then yeah B-air is a great move overall.

I never said anything about fast falling the move. When people say a move autocancels, I assume they mean that they low jump, input the aerial, then fall normally. Even Villager only has BAir and NAir as shff aerials.

 

[Moydow]

It does make me wonder sometimes if it's even worth it trying to play Sm4sh competitively when you don't have an active scene nearby, I'm pretty much stuck to WiFi as it is.

I feel the same way sometimes. Where I live there isn't even any interest in Smash as a game, let alone competitively, so the only decent matches I get are online (and properly good matches are hard to come by on For Glory).

 

[NairWizard]

It does make me wonder sometimes if it's even worth it trying to play Sm4sh competitively when you don't have an active scene nearby, I'm pretty much stuck to WiFi as it is.

I feel the same way sometimes. Where I live there isn't even any interest in Smash as a game, let alone competitively, so the only decent matches I get are online (and properly good matches are hard to come by on For Glory).

While WiFi isn't good for estimation, it's great for building up your skills (except For Glory; challenge good players instead, or play on a ladder). Notable players like Anti, Ally, and Salem have their roots in WiFi. While you won't get the full high-level-player experience on WiFi, you can definitely become a high-level player through WiFi alone. It just takes dedication and keen observation.

Adaptation is a great skill to hone, and learning to play under lag will help you hone that skill.

You know how Goku wears weighted training clothes, and then when he takes them off he feels as light as a feather?

That's how you feel when you finally play a real match after WiFi training sessions. In some ways it is even better training than in-person training.

 

[Ffamran]

Just about every BAir can autocancel lol

Lucario's? Triple D's? Doesn't Triple D just flop on the floor? Also, Pikachu just skids on the floor with Bair, right?

Also, this remix of N's Castle is awesome!

 

[Lavani]

Lucario's? Triple D's?

Both of those autocancel from a short hop.

 

[Soul.]

Lucario's? Triple D's? Doesn't Triple D just flop on the floor? Also, Pikachu just skids on the floor with Bair, right?

Also, this remix of N's Castle is awesome!

well most lol.
Dedede's BAir does autocancel from a SH
edit: ninja'd

 

[Berserker.]

The problem I have is losing on FG. I want to go to tournaments, but if I can't even beat someone online, then how the heck am I supposed to be able to compete at a real tourney?

It won't be the same so it's likely that you have a chance to beat that said person online thanks to the absence of lag

 

[Soul.]

If Wi-Fi is really trash then how the **** were people able to play friend matches online in Brawl.

 

[Fernosaur]

You know how Goku wears weighted training clothes, and then when he takes them off he feels as light as a feather?

That's how you feel when you finally play a real match after WiFi training sessions. In some ways it is even better training than in-person training.

THIS. I support this idea 100%.

I know only a handful of people that play worse offline than online, but mostly because they are too accustomed to inputting preemptive commands. Then again, this was back in the days of Brawl, when wifi was the most terrible experience, so...

 

[Blossom ✿]

Soooo, I decided to try out this little puffball right here: and he's been loads of fun to play actually.
I should probably pursue his customs since he seems to benefit from them quite a bit.

On another note, I love it when people shield Ganon's up-tilt (as long as it's not a powershield). Thanks for the free Warlock Punch, hehe!

 

[HeroMystic]

If Wi-Fi is really trash then how the **** were people able to play friend matches online in Brawl.

I played a lot of online in Brawl, not gonna lie. Smash 4 is a godsend in comparison.

But if you're gonna play with money on the line? lol no. That's where I draw the line.

 

[Blossom ✿]

Online is my only way of playing for now. Once I get the means to go tourneys, that should change.
Someday it'll happen, just not now...