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I wish lana's spear had more going for it while summoning gate is only fun when you get argorok. Nothing needs to be said about the tome, it's bad despite being fast.
Not so sure how a tierlist would look cause honestly after awhile most characters become just a one move trick pony (darunia C4, Ghirahim C4, Midna C3 etc.) so maybe some reasons? Don't have much for cia wizzro or twili midna but I can toss some things I noticed, might get combos wrong by going one ahead or behind so srry if I do.

C3 is love C3 is life, It's good in every way. Waveclear, single captains/bosses or big bosses. If you really feel like wanting more damage from darkness than just spam C5 to pound the ground for free darkness instead of having to use X.

Sheik has everything. Shield to help from 4 damage (doesn't really help on TP maps tho) Bolero/meteor to juggle the ******s known as moblins. Lightning is meh, darkness is horrible outside of the song to drag enemies in, Light song/C5 is what you spam on this character to clear groups. It's decently big but will never be Link's spin attack.

Zelda Dominion rod is really strong and fun, everything but C2 is useful in some way. Baton is ok I guess... tornado spamming is fun for killing a distance away but that requires rng being on your side while the rest of her kit is having to be up in their faces to get moves off.
**** I mean Rapier, is again ok since she just needs to keep light up and spam C4. Special spam is good too.

Hey they're the same character, Spam C2. Especially for Volga with focus spirit going, it's ****ing hilarious. Maybe Volga is too high? Dunno but C2 and then C5 to clear groups is good so he's at least more than half a character.
I really don't wanna talk about the plethora of items Link has and no opinion on spinner cause hell if I'm gonna spend 10 bucks to get that when I spent 20 already for all the DLC, but will say Magic rod when 8-bit is silly to look at in a good way and you just spam C3 for that.
Gauntlets is cool too if only cause it's hilarious seeing him pull out a pillar and smacking everyone with it. C3 is good. But sadly unless a map forces you to use one of his other items, there really is no need to use the other things when Master Sword C2 exists.
Great fairy is huge AOE, and by AOE I mean a lot of ebony. Okay that was bad, umm. Fountain is good for waveclear and so is bombs... almost every move is good for that. so KO rack up but y great fairy when Master sword?

Multiple people have said Ruto is bad. I honestly think she's decent at best. She's no Sheik or Link, but keeping water gauge full with just two C4 cancels is good enough to me. She takes out big bosses easily too with a full Y combo. But yeah she's an X spammer, I guess kinda C4 only to keep water up? C5 can be good too if bosses/officers feel like being ******s and blocking, might as well throw a wave at them that hits them 7 or so times to chip away at their damage somewhat.

Wizzro has bretty good waveclear with either shadow laser or just C4, helps that if you use C4 while alternating the previous hits instead of the same direction the balls that you're shooting from C4 can possibly hit the others and blow them up getting more enemies in the process.

Twili Midna is good apparently, all I know is Canon is good cause huge radius the three shots have, decent waveclear and X is really good too when full, which is incredibly easy to build up since just using a full Y combo or even the bridge attack builds it up to max insanely fast.

Ghirahim is a C4 spammer, but it just feels so good and safe since he does most his moves from a distance. It does both clearing waves and gets rid of anything that's closing in on him... just be sure to spam dodge so you don't go and spawn the next to useless bokoblins. Using X on the officers and bosses chunks them when using C4 especially. C5 is okay I guess, it feels like small range at first when ascending, but landing it prolly has more due to the explosion radius than Link's spin attack. Still no Link C2 tho lol, nothing will.

Ganon clears like a monster in KO rack up. That aside, his C5 I believe is good for just about everything (orb smacking) then C6 is for the huge range bitchslap you need to kill just about anything, even if officers/bosses block the move it still chunks them quite a bit. X is good too when full, too bad it takes like 3 seconds to do. C6 ganon is about the only thing with more range than Link's Master sword C2

Fi is a C6 spam character, C4 isn't that reliable to clear groups better to use the previous one I said. Not much to say outside of keep light up I guess since she's all about groups. But ir randomly sometimes doesn't wanna give you refresh on light despite her boots glowing. Kinda suffers from killing bosses, officers are ok I think.


Darunia is the strongest character in the game coupled with Ganon, too bad he just consists of C4 spam to kill groups and bosses/big bosses anyways. Using C5 (hammer handle into ground thingy) takes too long cause he has a need to do a ballerina spin for some reason instead of just using the damn move and if the officers and bosses block it, then it was almost 7 seconds of time wasted (in most TP maps, time is of the essence). Meteor is meh and again a slow animation before it actually happens, stomping the ground grab the meteor than throw. It's strong tho, haven't really tried against big bosses.

Lana is underwhelming and only thing that keeps her from being in the same tier as Agitha is summoning gate argorok. Spear is only good for X and C5 I believe (deku leaf smack)
Tome is next to useless imo, when her best waveclear is pushing three tiles that barely does anything unless you're frame perfect to run up to em and X them (I get it like 2 out of 5 times maybe) that's not very gud.

Impa's only good moves is the water kunais (c5?) to groups/officers like dinolfos moblins etc. maybe the bosses too, then C6 for big bosses but takes too long to get to cause of the dragging kick she does, but even then it doesn't even take out half a weak gauge meter. A special spammer is what I'm getting at.
Naginata or wutever is kinda sorta good too cause holycrapspecialisgood, but C5 is ok for clearing groups and think C3 is decent too, I think it's C4 that's bad

Zant's C2 is good against big bosses just to get their meter to half sadly, rest of it you gotta spam special 2 times then attack a couple times. C3 is stone pillar thing I think, not very gud unless wanna get moblins in the air I guess. C4 is just to build up the special attack bar, never use. C5 worst move (wallmaster) never use ever. C6 is decent but only if groups feel like lining up to die.
Zant's main problem being he can't kill the bigger enemies easily with his combos. X when meter full is only useful for clearing groups, and by then you already used C6 to clear a group lol.

Cia feels meh, her C4 I believe spawns links that just goes in a straight line doing a barrage of attacks, so it's good against big bosses I guess? One and a half brings the meter down to 0.
She's a C2 spammer and maybe C5 just for the explosions. C6 I don't see much use out of, it spawns 4 links all from different sides as they charge up for their swords for 3 seconds to do a spin attack. y use that when C4 exists.


Agitha, nothing to say here.
 

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Forgot to mention Ganon zant cia are low cause they're prone to being attacked a bunch when doing some of their bigger combos. Ruto is a victim of this but (so far) on the TP map she hasn't had any of those crazy maps where enemies are taking 10+ hearts a hit, so I didn't really note that.
 

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Forgot to mention Ganon zant cia are low cause they're prone to being attacked a bunch when doing some of their bigger combos. Ruto is a victim of this but (so far) on the TP map she hasn't had any of those crazy maps where enemies are taking 10+ hearts a hit, so I didn't really note that.
you have nothing to say for agitha because shes that good
 

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I work as a postman

Waking up at 4:50am is no big deal for me.

Also @Lozjam Zelda in Hyrule Warrior's is literally top tier

Tier list in Hyrule Warriors:

SSS: Midna
SS: Volga
S: Zelda
A: Everyone else
F: Agitha
Pls...

Sheik has a song that makes her immune to damage (up to 4 hearts iirc). Once the water shield breaks, you can easily conjure up another one, since the combo is simple to do.

I haven't found the best move to abuse enemy weak points with her yet, so she might not be the best thing to try vs bosses.

Then she has that one 'light' combo (right after the shadow one) that is great for clearing crowds around her. Then there's a giant golden thing she puts on the ground that regenerates her yellow meter.

Zelda is jealous and wishes she had the harp.

As for Agitha, can anyone here even use her? I'd go as far as to put Lana's time gate weapon down there too, though I know @NinjaLink would disagree :p
 
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you have nothing to say for agitha because shes that good
Agitha is in the same boat as the ones I mentioned lol.
Srry if I come off as rude.

C2 you can't dodge to cancel animation till it's done, and the thing I mentioned earlier with using that to wittle down bosses is also hard to do cause half the time I'm accidentally using C3 with agitha.

C3 you can't cancel until she's done two hops so that makes it bad alrdy.

C4 feels unreliable when wanting to get enemies in the air. The groups/fodder would have already died by the time you hop on the butterfly to combo them, and why do C4 on officers when half of them are tall enough to hit by just pressing X already.

C5 is the beetle which is the only move that's decent, but because hitboxes in this game are stupid, I find myself getting hit by dinolfos moblin belly flops etc. when I'm in the air.

Full Y combo is just plain bad.
 

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I beat the main part of hyrule warriors and unlocked all of the characters and such but I haven't unlocked all of the weapons. So a question: what's the best weapon for zelda? Only got like a 195 rapier for Zelda and haven't unlocked the others or played the hard modes yet.
 

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Agitha is in the same boat as the ones I mentioned lol.
Srry if I come off as rude.

C2 you can't dodge to cancel animation till it's done, and the thing I mentioned earlier with using that to wittle down bosses is also hard to do cause half the time I'm accidentally using C3 with agitha.

C3 you can't cancel until she's done two hops so that makes it bad alrdy.

C4 feels unreliable when wanting to get enemies in the air. The groups/fodder would have already died by the time you hop on the butterfly to combo them, and why do C4 on officers when half of them are tall enough to hit by just pressing X already.

C5 is the beetle which is the only move that's decent, but because hitboxes in this game are stupid, I find myself getting hit by dinolfos moblin belly flops etc. when I'm in the air.

Full Y combo is just plain bad.
C3 is actually a really good move and i use it A LOT. That is really relieable while 4 is good for captains and bosses. I still think Zants worst since all his Cs are slow, weak and leave him open to attacks. They're really unreliable. Im not saying agatha is top tier, shes just not that bad.
As for Agitha, can anyone here even use her?
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Sheik has a song that makes her immune to damage (up to 4 hearts iirc). Once the water shield breaks, you can easily conjure up another one, since the combo is simple to do.
it's good for the lower levels of maps, but once you hit MQ/TP maps that shield isn't gonna help much. Your A (if you're a completionist) will go down the drain from one hit.

I haven't found the best move to abuse enemy weak points with her yet, so she might not be the best thing to try vs bosses.
if regular officers like dinolfos and the like just water and regular Y attacks. If big bosses, Fire song. That explosion will do half a meter. Perfect for imprisoned :^) **** this boss

Then she has that one 'light' combo (right after the shadow one) that is great for clearing crowds around her. Then there's a giant golden thing she puts on the ground that regenerates her yellow meter.
When people find out about the light song (cause I honestly thought sheik was bad till I remembered she has a C6) there's really no need to use the actual light song to build up meter.

Zelda is jealous and wishes she had the harp.
She has the harp a couple times in the TP and MQ maps I believe =D

As for Agitha, can anyone here even use her? I'd go as far as to put Lana's time gate weapon down there too, though I know @NinjaLink would disagree :p
The argorok summon and maybe the huge AOE gohma if you position it right is what keeps Lana from joining agitha. Her Special is a good way to clear groups and even damage officers pretty heavily too.
 

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Straight in the middle of a dumpster.
Zant can at least bring down the meter of a big boss in one try and actually kill groups with full meter X, C6 or even just full Y combo to get 30 or so fodder kills. Regular bosses, while not reliable, full Y combos is good enough to chip away at their health.

Agitha needs two tries, if you use your focus spirit/A immediately to bring up the weak point gauge back, to hit a big boss. her way of wittling down health for officers and regular bosses consists of a low damage knock up, which for most characters in the game, C2 is weak and used to just pop them up in the air.

The most success I've had with agitha is if I use X and almost immediatly X again just to kamikaze to the ground and maybe get 20 kills and bring my meter up by 30%. Outside of the two beetle attacks, butterfly combos and her special, she does no damage. Doesn't help, as Aero brought up, first two attacks is like Little Mac's air game.

You have to be in their faces to hit them and it doesn't make her move forward like most moves in the game except Zelda baton (only one I can think of for now)

She's a little below "meh" but there really is no reliable way to kill things outside of airborne or tall enemies with X, and most bosses aren't tall enough to hit with the butterfly so you're forced to be in their face (extremely bad in TP maps) and try your best not to **** up wht butterfly C2 knock up combos and hope they don't randomly feel like recovering while in the air.
 

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if regular officers like dinolfos and the like just water and regular Y attacks. If big bosses, Fire song. That explosion will do half a meter. Perfect for imprisoned :^) **** this boss
Ah, another fellow Imprisoned hater. Welcome aboard c:

I like the Bolero of Fire song, but you gotta be quick and precise with where you land the glyph. It definitely looks like one of her more hard-hitting ones.

The only songs I haven't really been able to make good use of is the Song of Storms (though it looks and sounds awesome), and Nocturne of Shadow (I mean, does it actually hurt enemies, or slow them down - or both?) It looks good on paper, but I find myself finishing the fight quicker with another move.


She has the harp a couple times in the TP and MQ maps I believe =D
For ceremonial purposes, just like Zelda in Twilight Princess trolled us by pulling out a sword in one scene, but not actually using it. Ah well, Zelda technically stole Din's Fire, Nayru's Love, and Ferrari's Farore's Wind in the Smash series from OoT Link so...

agatha is straight in the middle imo
Agitha is Smash 4 Zelda
 
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I hope people of the future read this thread to study our civilization.
I actually have thought about this and want to be buried with my phones so archaeologists can dig it up and be like

Wtf is this person
imagine how i must feel when i spent about 5 years on one forum which was like this thread, except the whole forum was like this and i still know all the people from it and have them friended on fb. we also had our own jokes and played games together , made mods mad, good times for really long time, i had about 35k posts there in total.

but then it got deleted it and all i have left is memories and everytime i remember how much fun i had there i shed a tear. and all is lost now :( wonder if smashboard gonna be erased one day as well...
 

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We knew Lucina is bad compared to Marth in multiple ways. I always thought she was still decentish just because of her moveset, but now I'm seeing people say Lucina is low tier at best and sometimes even bottom tier.

And now she might be worse than Zelda? INTERESTING!
 

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Optimism tier list v2.0

SSS Tier:

Salad Bowl
Has consistently shown optimism towards characters who rank low on tier lists (i.e. SSB4 Zelda, Hyrule
Warriors Agitha). When optimism is challenged, will often defend said optimism relentlessly.

SS Tier:

Hyrule Candy (HC)
Very much like the SSS ranked optimist, Salad Bowl, HC will show blinding optimism towards Zelda (e.g. "Zelda is top tier") and will defend his optimism relentlessly.

F Tier:


Everyone else
Will make degrading names for Zelda (e.g. Zeldawful) and will cut down everyone's hopes of Zelda one day becoming a viable SSB4 character. Although they know Zelda is awful, they have come to accept Zelda for who she is, and show an undying love for her even though she is sucky and horrible and terrible and bad and tbh she's just plain awful.
 

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the event hub tier makes me cringe I look at it for two seconds and see Marth at 12 and Lucina at 16, instantly had to close.
 

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Optimism tier list v2.0

SSS Tier:

Salad Bowl
Has consistently shown optimism towards characters who rank low on tier lists (i.e. SSB4 Zelda, Hyrule
Warriors Agitha). When optimism is challenged, will often defend said optimism relentlessly.

SS Tier:

Hyrule Candy (HC)
Very much like the SSS ranked optimist, Salad Bowl, HC will show blinding optimism towards Zelda (e.g. "Zelda is top tier") and will defend his optimism relentlessly.
F Tier:

Everyone else
Will make degrading names for Zelda (e.g. Zeldawful) and will cut down everyone's hopes of Zelda one day becoming a viable SSB4 character. Although they know Zelda is awful, they have come to accept Zelda for who she is, and show an undying love for her even though she is sucky and horrible and terrible and bad and tbh she's just plain awful.

ITS BEAUTIFUL
but agitha is not the worst. as long as we have zant and sia, agitha isnt the worst.
 
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I have to admit, but I do find Cia pretty underwhelming. I'm surprised her arm hasn't fallen off by now from constantly waving it.

Her laughters get mad old after awhile too.
 
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I have to admit, but I do find Cia pretty underwhelming. I'm surprised her arm hasn't fallen off by now from constantly waving it.

Her laughters get mad old after awhile too.
OH HOHOHO

I find it mad hot
 
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