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I'm so out of the loop it's scary. I just heard the Roster Discussion Thread got temporarily locked only to come back and see it's been locked again. Permanently. You guys must've really gone wild in there. :smirk:

But I'll check it out. Always up for some derp. :rolleyes:
For reference. The derp is in the Wii U/3DS general discussion thread.

Not the Roster Discussion thread.
 

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For reference. The derp is in the Wii U/3DS general discussion thread.

Not the Roster Discussion thread.
Good to know, thanks. ;)

Last I checked that one was easier to follow anyway. Ofc now all the nonsense will aggregate there. Again. :rolleyes:

What does everyone think of Ike's chances of returning to SSB4?
Considering his popularity, reception, unique-ness, and competition, I'd say his chances to return are pretty high. Not anywhere near 99.9%, but he's clearly the second mostly likely FE character, behind Marth. The only way I see him not returning is if Chrom gets his moveset and therefore Sakurai prioritizes him rather low, and he ends up not making it, but I very much doubt that will happen.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they went with the look he's going to have in SMTxFE. If not, I'm going to guess some sort of RD/Awakening amalgamation. Hopefully the best of both designs.
 

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What does everyone think of Ike's chances of returning to SSB4?
See my post last page.

Also a better question is, are they changing Ike's look to RD or Awakening or staying with the PoR?
Would bet RD myself, makes Ike clash a bit more with the rest of the possible roster.

Probably PoR, seeing that they went with that look in the DLC.
You do realize the every guest artist interpretation was just the character dressed up as the standard generic outfit for the class you recruit them as? Pretty much the reason Micaiah is dressed up as Tharja.
 

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You do realize the every guest artist interpretation was just the character dressed up as the standard generic outfit for the class you recruit them as? Pretty much the reason Micaiah is dressed up as Tharja.
Wasn't that actually a work-around as they share the same models in-game?
 
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What does everyone think of Ike's chances of returning to SSB4?
Considering he topped out in the Western Poll I took, I'd say very high.

I used to have doubts about him coming back because of Chrom. But now that I've seen the poll and seen how he overshadows Chrom quite considerably I don't think ol' Princie is taking Ike's spot. Thank God too, Ike is way cooler anyway.
 

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Thanks for everything, here's the current list I have decided on:

Marth
Ike
Roy
Anna
Black Knight
Caeda
Celice
Chrom
Eirika
Elincia
Eliwood
Emphraim
Hector
Leaf
Lucina
Lyn
Micaiah
Narbarl
Robin (FE13 Avatar)
Sigurd
Soren
Tiki
Tharja

This is all. I would rather not add anymore.
You forgot Alm and Celicia. Though I really don't blame you, most people forget them anyway.
 

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I really wish Ike got into SSB4 with his Radiant Dawn look. D:

He's ALMOST as manly as Hector. :3c
 

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I really wish Ike got into SSB4 with his Radiant Dawn look. D:

He's ALMOST as manly as Hector. :3c
More like IS look in three years he went from Scrawny to Bulky. Hector trained with Eliwood 12 years of his life. Big differences there
 

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I will be sad if Ike doesn't have his PoR look in the next smash. RD Ike didn't have that swag that PoR Ike did IMO.

Plus Lord Ike >>>>> Vanguard Ike

And man, people be hating on Chrom in this thread. C'mon, he's not that bad...he's more interesting than a good bit of the other lords, to say the least. Kinda disappointing that he didn't get more of a spotlight in the story so his character could develop, but oh well.
 

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And man, people be hating on Chrom in this thread. C'mon, he's not that bad...he's more interesting than a good bit of the other lords, to say the least. Kinda disappointing that he didn't get more of a spotlight in the story so his character could develop, but oh well.
That's the problem with Chrom, underdeveloped and overshadowed by Robin and Lucina.
 

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And man, people be hating on Chrom in this thread. C'mon, he's not that bad...he's more interesting than a good bit of the other lords, to say the least. Kinda disappointing that he didn't get more of a spotlight in the story so his character could develop, but oh well.
That's an overly narrow superlative if ever I heard one. Seriously, most of the existing FE lords are either boring or copies of other Lords.

Chrom suffers from a similar problem to Eliwood in that he's overshadowed be the other Lords/main characters he shares his game with. Lucina may not be super unique from him, but she(and the Avatar) basically steal the spotlight from him in the second half of the game. And that's not even getting into the Avatar...
 

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The most interesting is Ike and he is a copy of all three FE7 lords-
Hector-the most obvious one, being design and strength as a unit
Lyn-Even though Lyn was a noble, she was pretty much a prarie girl, taking the non noble lineage side, also had a sacred sword
Eliwood-The least notable, uses Swords, cares deeply for father, father's death, somewhat similar clothing comparing regular Eliwood to PoR ranger Ike.
 

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That's an overly narrow superlative if ever I heard one. Seriously, most of the existing FE lords are either boring or copies of other Lords.
Wouldn't say that exactly, there are some major differences between several lords whether it's class, personality, or story wise. Closest clones would probably be Marth & the FE4 lords and Roy & Eliwood, but I'm still positive that there are still major differences between each of them (Back me up Chrono) and the latter are kinda ironic being father & son.

Chrom suffers from a similar problem to Eliwood in that he's overshadowed be the other Lords/main characters he shares his game with. Lucina may not be super unique from him, but she(and the Avatar) basically steal the spotlight from him in the second half of the game. And that's not even getting into the Avatar...
Pretty much, the other big factor is that the story was very inconsistent which pretty much prevented all possible character development. As much as I love all the Gaiden references, the game would have better if it had just stuck with Gangrel with Grima as the main plot (probably a clone of FE3's story, but with a few big differences) and maybe have also gotten rid of the time travel stuff.

Honestly I don't hate Chrom, but he reeks of wasted potential as a character and if he was a truly good character, I doubt people would care about his possible bland moveset. He's just plain generic IMO.
 
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I think that we'll get three Fire Emblem characters and those being Marth, Ike and Roy. Chrom also has a fair shot, but I don't think he's the near guarantee that many on GameFAQs considers him to be.

Won't lie, reading debates between Roy and Chrom is much more entertaining because the majority of the community doesn't say "Chrom is in, deal with it.".
 

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People don't say that cause Chrom is boring. Yet they usually are ignorant to how much Roy sucks before promotion.

Sorry. Tru fax.
 

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Honestly I don't hate Chrom, but he reeks of wasted potential as a character and if he was a truly good character, I doubt people would care about his possible bland moveset. He's just plain generic IMO.
I think that is most apt way of putting Chrom's situation. Ike was nothing more than another (blue-haired) swordsmen who had to compete with two female sword-wielders (Lyn and Eirika), an axe-wielder (Hector), and a lance-wielder (Ephraim), yet Ike had the biggest fanbase of them all. Why? Because people LOVED Ike as a character, and not only was he a good character (and amazing as an unit), but FE9 was on the same quality as FE7 was for most people.

Although for many people FE13 is their favorite FE, Chrom is hurt by he just was not interesting as a character. I would say most of Chrom's true fans (people who support Chrom for reasons other than "he's in. deal with it.") is due to them loving FE13 so much.

I think that we'll get three Fire Emblem characters and those being Marth, Ike and Roy. Chrom also has a fair shot, but I don't think he's the near guarantee that many on GameFAQs considers him to be.
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GameFAQs views him as the single-most likely newcomer for Smash 4. More likely than Ridley, K. Rool, Mewtwo, Little Mac, Palutena, or Takamaru.

GameFAQs took a nosedive in intelligence ever since they merged their boards with Gamespot's (which brought all the 10 year olds in).
 

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GameFAQs will in general attach themselves to whatever they think is guaranteed if it's something recent. Otherwise, they will be ignorant of whatever reasons will be provided. Granted not everyone there is like that, but the less dense people are the smaller minority.

As for Chrom himself, the main obstacle is being boring. Like reeeeaaaaalllly boring. I hate to sound like this, but Chrom is one of those rare cases where I struggle to find ways to make him interesting. Even when I tack on gimmicks like electricity or the Exalted Falchion, it still feels very forced. It's a perplexing endeavor...
 
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GameFAQs views him as the single-most likely newcomer for Smash 4. More likely than Ridley, K. Rool, Mewtwo, Little Mac, Palutena, or Takamaru.

GameFAQs took a nosedive in intelligence ever since they merged their boards with Gamespot's (which brought all the 10 year olds in).
I find this to be utterly disgusting and is why I don't pay attention to their thoughts on a Fire Emblem character (with the exception of a select few who don't follow bandwagons due to recentness). I can name on two hands characters with better resume to get in than Chrom.

If it weren't for the fact that I don't see Chrom as a serious threat to Ike, the bandwagon mentality would have caused me to be pushing against Chrom's inclusion until the very end. There are reasons why Chrom might get in, but people pick the most shallow reasons to put him above the likes of what are the most likely newcomers. I don't even know if I would even see Chrom as a realistic contender if it weren't for the off-chance of DLC characters...
 

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Chrom is definitely up there in character priority (probably top 8 of the possible picks), but Palutena and Little Mac for instance are more likely to be in than he is.
 

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They are most likely to put Chrom in there honestly. I mean they may add Roy too, but come on.
Main character in a new FE game? Yup.
I just pray he isn't slow like Ike. ;_;
 

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I wouldn't be surprised of Chrom is actually overlooked due to being too similar to Marth/Ike with no way to distinct himself in particular. There is hardly any justifications at this point to include Chrom, or Lucina for that matter.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised of Chrom is actually overlooked due to being too similar to Marth/Ike with no way to distinct himself in particular. There is hardly any justifications at this point to include Chrom, or Lucina for that matter.
Chrom is one of those characters who does fit under the "expected but not wanted category". Those type of characters don't give me good vibes in regards to appearing in Smash. Zoroark was like this, but to a slightly lesser extend (I know you like him, just mentioning that many didn't, but expected him anyway), and it's not hard to guess where he's going...
 

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Give Zoroark credit though, at least the character was more distinctive that would help separate it from Lucario and Mewtwo. Whether you liked Zoroark or not, you cannot exactly deny that. With Chrom, you cannot exactly say the same thing with a straight face. I mean, the guy is so generic that he lacks complete wow factor.

Takamaru has varies abilities related to ninjustu and sword play like laijutsu and battojutsu, Shulk has the power of the Monado which is capable of varies divine powers, Issac has the ability to use earth-based powers thanks to the Venus Psynergies, Roy has his fire based attacks thanks to the Sword of Seals, Saki has his Cannon Sword which functions as both a sword and gun simultaneously. What exactly does Chrom have that would make him stand out more? The best I can think of is forced electric based attacks.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised of Chrom is actually overlooked due to being too similar to Marth/Ike with no way to distinct himself in particular. There is hardly any justifications at this point to include Chrom, or Lucina for that matter.
What? So your justification for Chrom not getting in, is because he is too similar to other Fire Emblem characters?

So....why did any similar characters ever make it into other smash games then? Like Lucas and Ness? Mario and Luigi? Pichu and PIkachu? Roy and Marth? Ike and Marth? I'll tell you why, because they're popular characters with their own games. (maybe not pichu though)
 

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What? So your justification for Chrom not getting in, is because he is too similar to other Fire Emblem characters?
Oh I'm not denying that Chrom has no chance whatsoever, I'm just expressing there is a possibility of being overlooked due to bringing nothing to the table in particular.
 
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You are right in that Zoroark does have a ton of move set potentials and more than enough things to make him unique. Though I used to be opposed to Zoroark for really silly reasons, when I grew out of it, his move set potentials is something that could be awesome if done correctly (especially Illusion). Had Gen 6 not started development at such an early time, Zoroark would have been a very real contender to get into Smash 4. The only comparison I made was that Zoroark was expected but not wanted by many people. But I would say that Zoroark would be a better choice than Chrom overall.

But getting back on-topic, let's think to Sakurai's four criteria. One of them he mentioned was that a character had to be unique. Now granted, while this doesn't mean that a character needs move set potentials to be unique, it does show that the character shouldn't be generic.

I'm not even sure if Chrom stands out at all. I mean, Lucina plays as important, if not more of an important role than Chrom does when she arrives, FE13 is basically FE All-Stars, and Chrom is a pretty dull character overall. I question if Chrom even meets the criterion of having to be unique. If he doesn't, then he's out. No amount of screaming recentness as a reason to put him in (let alone axe Ike for him) would change that.
 

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A lot of the guys at NeoGAF think Chrom is definitely going to get in, and Ike is going to be cut. Ugh.
 

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I'm just going to sit over in my corner thinking about how I thought Chrom was a cool guy and I'd be glad to have him. Not over Ike, but still...people need to chill out hatin' on Chrom so much. :cool:

Besides, "Chrom's the Bomb!" is an awesomely cheesy crowd cheer. Just like "We Like Ike!" :troll:
 

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That is not as bad as some people suggesting that Chrom should replace Marth.

Filthy uncultured swines...
I have actually seen a few people at NeoGAF who have said Chrom will replace Marth because he is Marth's descendant, though nowhere near as much "Chrom is going push out Ike. Deal with it."
 
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I'm just going to sit over in my corner thinking about how I thought Chrom was a cool guy and I'd be glad to have him. Not over Ike, but still...people need to chill out hatin' on Chrom so much. :cool:

Besides, "Chrom's the Bomb!" is an awesomely cheesy crowd cheer. Just like "We Like Ike!" :troll:
I actually don't hate the idea of Chrom getting in, simply because almost any other suggested characters on a semi-frequent basis (Leaf is rarely brought up and Anna is one exception) makes me groan. I actually do like the idea of a Chrom and Lucina tag team, but I don't think we're going to get that. It's just that I feel that Roy would be a better choice overall and I don't think any character that fails one of Sakurai's criteria should be placed in Smash.
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That is not as bad as some people suggesting that Chrom should replace Marth.

Filthy uncultured swines...
Absymal ideas warrants this:

For the love of everything good and holy, Sakurai should avoid doing this at all cost or I will not buy SSB4.
 

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We are going to get some more SMT x FE details in 1.5 months, so that will probably give us some more to chew on. If the previous lords in FE have an important role in that game, I am really curious how they will look.
 

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Speaking of those other lords...I've only played Sacred Stones, Path of Radiance and Awakening all the way through. I was thinking of starting one of the translated SNES ROMs to get a feel for the other lords. Who knows, maybe I'll vaguely support one for Smash. Should I just start with FE4 and move up?
 
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