You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[Banjodorf]

There's plenty of moves Chrom could be given to differ from Marth or Ike, like a pizza cutter nair for instance. His fighting style is fancier than the others, so it wouldn't be hard to make him play a good bit differently.

Agreed. I'm actually going to work out a moveset myself. I'm one of those that feels Smash 4 will be less rich if we don't have:

5 Mario reps
5 LoZ reps
5 Pokemon reps
4 DK reps
4 FE reps

Now I've got to help the support effort. Awaaaaaaay!

 

[Opossum]

Sort of a random thought, but since people have been talking about Anna a little bit this month, I tried using her some more in Awakening, and wow. She comes off as a bit of a Scrooge in her Support conversations...if Smash 4 has some form of in-game "shop" this time to make use of the coins, having Anna run it would be pretty neat.

Spoiler

Having Tiki set her straight (for the most part) in their A-Support was funny, though xD

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I wish Anna was a better unit and had more supports, really. Then I'd be more inclined to use her.

 

[Banjodorf]

I wish Anna was a better unit and had more supports, really. Then I'd be more inclined to use her.

Yeah, I really would've liked her to have supports with ANY other male character than the MC. I always go with female MC, and I like Anna

 

[•Col•]

There's plenty of moves Chrom could be given to differ from Marth or Ike, like a pizza cutter nair for instance. His fighting style is fancier than the others, so it wouldn't be hard to make him play a good bit differently.

Yeah!

He could have a pizza cutter nair like you said! ...And a pizza cutter jab..... And a pizza cutter dair... And a pizza cutter fair and a pizza cutter bair and a pizza cutter uair and a pizza cutter ftilt and a pizza cutter utilt and a pizza cutter dtilt and a pizza cutter fsmash and a pizza cutter usmash and a pizza cutter dsmash.

He'd like be so awesome. Then you give him a counter special for Down B, a charge stabby sword Neutral B, a upward slashy jump for Up B, and then some unique slashy Side B.

What a... fun... and unique... character... *goes and cries in corner*

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Chrom should open a pizza shop.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Chrom should open a pizza shop.

He cannot make pizza for ****, it tastes like moldy cardboard. He's the prince of Ylisse first, the captain of the Shepherds second, and a pizza chef third.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Wait, they share two? I always thought it was only one. Aura Sphere doesn't even work the same way Shadow Ball does (It's all bouncy and bounces Mewtwo backwards because it hates him.) I feel like them having a similar move was just circumstance, considering Aura Sphere is literally Lucario's signature move. Why wouldn't he have that, and why would it work any different even if Mewtwo had never existed? (That would be awful!)

Think of Ness and Lucas for that one with how PK thunder acts differently.

 

[•Col•]

And before anyone tries to tell me I have no imagination or whatever... I know Chrom could have a unique moveset if they REALLY tried and worked for it. But in the end, he'd most likely just end up as a 'gonna just swing my sword around in a particular way for just about every attack including special moves'... But if they DID work to make him stand out and whatnot... Why should they?

Why should they work to do that for Chrom, as apposed to say, Lucina(who is MORE popular, MORE likeable, and MORE important within the story) or even a My Avatar character?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Even though, the lance thing is thrown around, then why didn't Ike use Axes, because they use the primary weapon, so obviously their only choice is a sword moveset, they would never go with Lances. The avatar could work around this though with magic being special and sword being the A combos and such. For Lucina I made a a little plausible one, it they don't go with the clone idea, in the Lucina support thread.

 

[Deleted member]

I hate when people say "Marth just swings his sword around, EVEN for his specials."

They just don't get the complexity behind all of his moves...

I suppose Noel just kicks and fires her guns in a particular direction:

Flashy anime has rotted your brain. Go watch Rocky and learn to have an appreciation for the simple things.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Even though, the lance thing is thrown around, then why didn't Ike use Axes, because they use the primary weapon, so obviously their only choice is a sword moveset, they would never go with Lances. The avatar could work around this though with magic being special and sword being the A combos and such. For Lucina I made a a little plausible one, it they don't go with the clone idea, in the Lucina support thread.

Ike didn't use axes because he couldn't use axes when his moveset was made.

Sakurai wouldn't have known about Ike's ability to use axes in RD when he was making the movesets.

 

[FlareHabanero]

That is exactly the problem with Chrom, there is extremely little the character offers onto the roster to warrant an inclusion. Being the most recent is worth jack if nothing can be provided since the character isn't popular nor interesting.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

That is exactly the problem with Chrom, there is extremely little the character offers onto the roster to warrant an inclusion. Being the most recent is worth jack if nothing can be provided since the character isn't popular nor interesting.

Yeah i know, I was just point out how there is also no moveset potential with him, with all the other cons about him, I REALLY RATHER HAVE LUCINA OR AVATAR.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'd rather have something like Hector, Lyn, hell even Micaiah, over Chrom.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Yea, lyn is a good choice, but I'm just mentioning the only 2 awakening characters that fit (Anna counts as the series in general)

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ike got in cause he was popular for his usability as a unit and FE9's quality right? I don't see how the same couldn't apply to Lucina.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Ike got in cause he was popular for his usability as a unit and FE9's quality right? I don't see how the same couldn't apply to Lucina.

Lucina: popular:Check, Usability as a unit:Arguably best unit so check, FE13's quality: could be using pair up system, so Check.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Excuse me for my intrusion on the topic, but if you think Chrom has little creativity in his design and his move pool will be shallow and uncreative, what makes you think that Roy will offer more ? actually I think Chrom has cutscenes to support him....

 

[Gingerbread Man]

And before anyone tries to tell me I have no imagination or whatever... I know Chrom could have a unique moveset if they REALLY tried and worked for it. But in the end, he'd most likely just end up as a 'gonna just swing my sword around in a particular way for just about every attack including special moves'... But if they DID work to make him stand out and whatnot... Why should they?

Why should they work to do that for Chrom, as apposed to say, Lucina(who is MORE popular, MORE likeable, and MORE important within the story) or even a My Avatar character?

Considering Marth and Roy's moveset is almost completely fabricated and still is interesting shows that Chrom has more than enough to stand out.

Honestly the fact that people are still skeptic about this is ridiculous.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Guys the game is now out in Europe and I'm sick of collapsing all the spoilers, do you think it's ok to put spoilers out in the open because I think it's important for the discussion...

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

What if they saved Lucina and Priam for a DLC skins with voice overs and called it the Descendant pack xD.... if you think about it Chrom isn't the true descendant of Marth, Lucina is which make Priam and Lucina on the same ground both of them aspire to their Ancestors and want to become like them....

 

[Diddy Kong]

Chrom and Lucina are related, of coarse both are Marth's descendants. But honestly, I'm not opposed to have Lucina as the Fire Emblem newcomer at all.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Chrom and Lucina are related, of coarse both are Marth's descendants. But honestly, I'm not opposed to have Lucina as the Fire Emblem newcomer at all.

There is alot of speculation going on Chrom origin, people say one of Ike descendants married Marth descendant which explains Aether....TBH I think Ike had 2 descendants, a female who married Marth descendant (possibly the father and the mother of the first Exalt),and the other descendant is a male who decided to follow his ancestor code and remain a mercenary and that makes him Priam's ancestor...

 

[Fire Emblemier]

There is alot of speculation going on Chrom origin, people say one of Ike descendants married Marth descendant which explains Aether....TBH I think Ike had 2 descendants, a female who married Marth descendant (possibly the father and the mother of the first Exalt),and the other descendant is a male who decided to follow his ancestor code and remain a mercenary and that makes him Priam's ancestor...

I wish we could learn more about this, but we probably never will.

 

[•Col•]

Excuse me for my intrusion on the topic, but if you think Chrom has little creativity in his design and his move pool will be shallow and uncreative, what makes you think that Roy will offer more ? actually I think Chrom has cutscenes to support him....

I made a post about this in the Roy thread in the veteran subforum, but if you want the gist of it... Playing upon the abilities and building upon the elemental/magical properties of the Sword of Seals.

I hate when people say "Marth just swings his sword around, EVEN for his specials."

They just don't get the complexity behind all of his moves...

I suppose Noel just kicks and fires her guns in a particular direction:

Flashy anime has rotted your brain. Go watch Rocky and learn to have an appreciation for the simple things.

lolwut

It's moreso about the context. In games like Soul Calibur, yeah ok duh of course everyone just swinging the weapon around in different ways is fine.

In Smash, after you have so many PURE sword wielding characters... It becomes kinda redundant. You know what I mean? I can't remember the exact wording Sakurai used, but it was about looking at potential newcomers and what they can bring to the table when adding characters to Smash... I just don't see what a character like Chrom can bring, to be honest. And then on top of that, I don't see why he should get preference over Lucina or My Avatar.

Considering Marth and Roy's moveset is almost completely fabricated and still is interesting shows that Chrom has more than enough to stand out.

Honestly the fact that people are still skeptic about this is ridiculous.

Did you just read the post you even quoted?

Yeah. They could make a moveset for him. (Although I'd be surprised if he actually stood out much from Marth/Ike compared to the entire SSB4 cast as a whole)

I'm asking Chrom supporters why he should get in over Lucina as an FE13 rep. Like I said, Lucina is more popular/likeable/important. So then, why Chrom? Recently, I've only seen people saying "OH SHE'D BE A MARTH CLONE" and then go around and start trying to argue that a moveset could be made for Chrom to make him stand apart from Marth/Ike. Why can't the same be said for her? (Obviously it can, since I am right now)

If you people supporting Chrom believe he can have a unique moveset and is a potential newcomer for SSB4... Can you give me some reasons why he should actually be put in over Lucina?

 

[LaniusShrike]

So, I'll admit I'm not super well-versed in FE affairs, but I'm curious about a few things...

1. Why are the most supported characters more sword wielders? Whenever I pop into this thread I see people trying to show that Character X wouldn't just be the same as Marth or Ike. What's wrong with the axe, light/dark/anima magic, bow/crossbow, knife, and staff users?

2. Why isn't there more discussion of possible playable villains? Are they just... not very popular/interesting/cool?

 

[FlareHabanero]

So, I'll admit I'm not super well-versed in FE affairs, but I'm curious about a few things...

1. Why are the most supported characters more sword wielders? Whenever I pop into this thread I see people trying to show that Character X wouldn't just be the same as Marth or Ike. What's wrong with the axe, light/dark/anima magic, bow/crossbow, knife, and staff users?

2. Why isn't there more discussion of possible playable villains? Are they just... not very popular/interesting/cool?

Because people have **** tastes.

 

[Deleted member]

So, I'll admit I'm not super well-versed in FE affairs, but I'm curious about a few things...

1. Why are the most supported characters more sword wielders? Whenever I pop into this thread I see people trying to show that Character X wouldn't just be the same as Marth or Ike. What's wrong with the axe, light/dark/anima magic, bow/crossbow, knife, and staff users?

It mainly has to do with Roy being from Melee and Chrom being from the latest game.

2. Why isn't there more discussion of possible playable villains? Are they just... not very popular/interesting/cool?

Because there simply isn't anyone out there who has a chance.

 

[•Col•]

So, I'll admit I'm not super well-versed in FE affairs, but I'm curious about a few things...

1. Why are the most supported characters more sword wielders? Whenever I pop into this thread I see people trying to show that Character X wouldn't just be the same as Marth or Ike. What's wrong with the axe, light/dark/anima magic, bow/crossbow, knife, and staff users?

2. Why isn't there more discussion of possible playable villains? Are they just... not very popular/interesting/cool?

1. Because the vast majority of the most popular characters are lords... And for whatever reason, IS keeps pumping out sword wielding lords. D: Wish they would've tried to mix things up a little more often.

2. Most of the FE villains are just flat out forgettable. The ones that ARE memorable are either not that popular, or just aren't all too important to the series or even the specific game they're in.

 

[bobadz]

@qdMibp: the only realistic choices for both lost the chance to be playable hen they weren't in Brawl.

 

[FlareHabanero]

It mainly has to do with Roy being from Melee and Chrom being from the latest game.

Roy is pretty much the lesser of two evils at this point, though even he's not exactly that appealing ether.

 

[ChronoBound]

I do think the best way to make all parties happy if for FE to get four slots this time.

Marth, Roy, and Ike are obvious. However, the fourth slot is contentious. Chrom/Lucina are the latest lords, but they don't really bring anything new to the table, and especially don't contrast themselves with the the previous three.

I still think that a fourth FE character is going to be some un-orthodox choice (like Pokemon Trainer or Zero Suit Samus). I think Sakurai if he pays close attention to the Western fanbase will notice how at one point Lyn was highly requested, then Micaiah was, then Caeda/Sheeda was, and now Lucina/Anna. If Sakurai is smart, his assessment will be that there is a significant contingent of Smash Bros. fans who want some sort of FE newcomer that is female, and maybe brings a new weapon type to the table. I think in that situation, it will probably be Anna that gets the closest look, as she is "evergreen", although she plays an unimportant role in every FE she appears in (her most important roles were in FE9/FE10 where she hosts the tutorial, and FE13 where she finally becomes playable).

I also think if Ike returns, he will have a design amalgration of his FE9/FE10 designs that makes him look somewhat similar to Chrom (much like Marth's re-design makes him look very similar to Lucina).

I also predict if we get Marth, Roy, Ike, and Anna, there will be an Event Match called "Red vs. Blue" in which Roy fights Ike due to FE13 having a DLC arc with the same name. In the co-op version, Anna will be Roy' s partner, while Marth will be Ike's.

 

[LaniusShrike]

How about this Aversa character? Villain, female, lance + magic user... is she not popular at all? I've never heard people on the boards mention her.

 

[ChronoBound]

How about this Aversa character? Villain, female, lance + magic user... is she not popular at all? I've never heard people on the boards mention her.

She would be very random. She is not one of the big 3 antagonists for FE13 (Gangrel, Walhart, Validor), and no she is not popular at all.

Also, I don't like how people say "villain" or "female" makes a character an automatically better inclusion. That kind of logic was part of the reason why more people were backing Medusa more than Palutena prior to Uprising, despite Palutena already having more importance overall to the series even prior to Uprising.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Well, "villain" and "female" are aspects that differentiate them from characters already in it, variety being the spice of life and what not. Marth, Roy, and Ike are all male good guys that wield swords. And, frankly, some people just want to see more villains in the game. "People wanting it" is pretty much what every reason boils down to. None of this is an automatic "Better choice" statement, it's just one of many things to consider.

So what's wrong with the three FE13 antagonists? Gangrel's a trickster thief, Validar's a dark sorcerer, and Walhart could be an axe/lance wielder it seems... People just don't care about them?

 

[ChronoBound]

So what's wrong with the three FE13 antagonists? Gangrel's a trickster thief, Validar's a dark sorcerer, and Walhart could be an axe/lance wielder it seems... People just don't care about them?

Well all three of FE13's antagonists are not popular at all for one (even among people who have played FE13, one of the big complaints about FE13 was having perhaps the most boring antagonists in a modern FE game). And before someone cites the North American FE13 poll in regards to Walhart, I am pretty sure a very large amount of his votes were votes.

At in Japan, Walhart is among the least popular male characters in the game.

 

[---]

Well I still like Walhart...

Anyway getting bored with character talk, lets start talking stuff like stages/items/ATs/music. It's rather funny, but thanks to FE13 breathing new life into the series/making it more mainstream, as well as FE11/12 (and arguably FE10), there's a large chance we'll see even more FE content than we did in Brawl.

 

[ChronoBound]

I like the idea of an item called the Rescue Staff that summons a random powerful unit from the FE series. It would technically give FE a lot of Assist Trophies though.

 

[•Col•]

I'm assuming the FE stage for SSB4 will be similar to Castle Siege in that it will be a vague amalgamation of different FE game environments.