You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[xXIke-SamaXx]

I do think the best way to make all parties happy if for FE to get four slots this time.

Marth, Roy, and Ike are obvious. However, the fourth slot is contentious. Chrom/Lucina are the latest lords, but they don't really bring anything new to the table, and especially don't contrast themselves with the the previous three.

I still think that a fourth FE character is going to be some un-orthodox choice (like Pokemon Trainer or Zero Suit Samus). I think Sakurai if he pays close attention to the Western fanbase will notice how at one point Lyn was highly requested, then Micaiah was, then Caeda/Sheeda was, and now Lucina/Anna. If Sakurai is smart, his assessment will be that there is a significant contingent of Smash Bros. fans who want some sort of FE newcomer that is female, and maybe brings a new weapon type to the table. I think in that situation, it will probably be Anna that gets the closest look, as she is "evergreen", although she plays an unimportant role in every FE she appears in (her most important roles were in FE9/FE10 where she hosts the tutorial, and FE13 where she finally becomes playable).

I also think if Ike returns, he will have a design amalgration of his FE9/FE10 designs that makes him look somewhat similar to Chrom (much like Marth's re-design makes him look very similar to Lucina).

I also predict if we get Marth, Roy, Ike, and Anna, there will be an Event Match called "Red vs. Blue" in which Roy fights Ike due to FE13 having a DLC arc with the same name. In the co-op version, Anna will be Roy' s partner, while Marth will be Ike's.

If something is obvious is Marth and Ike....don't lodge Roy in there he still need to fight for his place...

 

[ChronoBound]

If something is obvious is Marth and Ike....don't lodge Roy in there he still need to fight for his place...

Roy is the most popular FE character for Smash 4, and was extremely well-received as a character in Melee in addition to being planned for Brawl.. I would say he is probably the most well-known FE character outside of Marth and Ike too.

If there is going to be a another FE swordsmen, I think Roy would also be the best choice because the aesthetics of a fire sword, as well as the properties to the Sword of Seals, could help him stand out more.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If something is obvious is Marth and Ike....don't lodge Roy in there he still need to fight for his place...

Ike needs to fight for his place this time too you know. He and Lucario have a lot of "cutters."

The only obvious FE character is Marth.

Everyone else has something going against them.

Granted I think Ike and Roy are extremely likely (and I'd get miffed if either of them were not in). I will say that they are not obvious choices. Marth is the only one I feel fits that category.

 

[FalKoopa]

Oh, not another character debate...

Let's talk about items instead.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

What about Fire Emblem weapons as Items ?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Oh, not another character debate...

Let's talk about items instead.

What would a FE item even be?

We already have a sword and a lance and axe aren't really needed.

Maybe a tome?

 

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While we may not be able to decide on Chrom, I do think FE13 offers several possibilities for stages.

The Dragons Table/Altar had already appeared in FE3/12 and serves as the location for the prologue and Chapter 23. The question is, however, whether it should take after FE3 or FE13, personally I'd argue FE3 because of Medeus, but it does serve a somewhat larger role in FE13.

Grima himself could be made into a stage, would be pretty interesting fighting a top a dragon. Could serve as the new Halberd, and allow for My Unit to make a cameo as the stage hazard.

Other locations off the top of my head would be Arena Ferox (where Chrom & "Marth" first fought), The Mila Tree (besides a FE2 reference, fighting on top a giant tree could be interesting), and Mount Prism (where Chrom meets Naga, mostly for atmosphere with it's waterfall & rainbow).

Kind of a stretch, but the Outrealm could serve as a Castle Siege like stage. Would change the location and stage layout every so often to locations throughout the series allowing for characters from each game to make cameo appearances in the backgrounds.


Also item talk and no one mentions the Einherjar? I am disappoint.

 

[ChronoBound]

I already suggested the Rescue Staff as an item. How about the psychic staff? In a free-for-all battle, a person who picks up the psychic staff merely just recovers him/herself, while in a team battle, picking up the psychic staff will heal your partner. If you have more than one partner in a team battle, the psychic staff will heal the partner that has a higher damage meter.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

While we may not be able to decide on Chrom, I do think FE13 offers several possibilities for stages.

The Dragons Table/Altar had already appeared in FE3/12 and serves as the location for the prologue and Chapter 23. The question is, however, whether it should take after FE3 or FE13, personally I'd argue FE3 because of Medeus, but it does serve a somewhat larger role in FE13.

Grima himself could be made into a stage, would be pretty interesting fighting a top a dragon. Could serve as the new Halberd, and allow for My Unit to make a cameo as the stage hazard.

Other locations off the top of my head would be Arena Ferox (where Chrom & "Marth" first fought), The Mila Tree (besides a FE2 reference, fighting on top a giant tree could be interesting), and Mount Prism (where Chrom meets Naga, mostly for atmosphere with it's waterfall & rainbow).

Kind of a stretch, but the Outrealm could serve as a Castle Siege like stage. Would change the location and stage layout every so often to locations throughout the series allowing for characters from each game to make cameo appearances in the backgrounds.


Also item talk and no one mentions the Einherjar? I am disappoint.

Grima can be an awesome Final Smash for My Unit xD

 

[ChronoBound]

Also item talk and no one mentions the Einherjar? I am disappoint.

Well I suggested the idea of the Rescue Staff to summon a random character from the FE series.

 

[FalKoopa]

A great idea would be Hammerene staff. It removes all the staleness in the moves of the character.

 

[Banjodorf]

I'm big on the Dragon Table stage. Or Grima. I think the Dragon Table may be a better pick, with the big-ass glowy vortex in the back, etc. It'd probably be a walkoff stage, so that's a negative, but it could still be cool.

Grima sounds awesome though, with the MC character (I hate saying both My Unit and Robin) poppin in fighting themself or something. <3

 

[Deleted member]

I know very little on Fire Emblem outside of what I've heard from you all, but perhaps Fire Emblem can finally get another Assist Trophy.

They could perhaps replace Lyn with Micaiah to placate Radiant Dawn fans who wants a female and get another Fire Emblem Assist Trophy from FE13.

@Swampasaur: I wouldn't say extremely likely for Roy, but he does have a good chance of being in.

 

[Banjodorf]

@Swampasaur: I wouldn't say extremely likely for Roy, but he does have a good chance of being in.

I'm inclined to say he has almost the chances Mewtwo does. (Well...not really, but still.) Roy however has to contend with K. Rool and Mac and Ridley over here, at least. (Which really just means he has to contend with K. Rool and Palutena on a global scale. Mewtwo has him beat soundly.)

Still has amazing chances for a number of reasons, and I consider him pretty much confirmed by circumstance. We'll see though!

 

[LaniusShrike]

ITEMS​

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Tome​

A book with a random color is placed in the field. The different colors correspond to different tomes in the game and will have a number of different effects, most of them just being different kinds of projectiles that can be charged. Tomes might include things such as:
Wind: Tapping fires off gusts of wind that push enemies/objects away. A charged spell fires a medium sized tornado that carry enemies and items away from the caster. Only deals damage if multiple things are caught in the whirlwind due to them hitting each other.
Fire: Tapping fires off a small, arcing fireball with a small explosion radius. Charging fires off a flurry of fireballs in different arcing angles, making it hard to avoid them all.
Thunder: A tracer appears over the closest enemy in the direction the caster is facing and a moment later, a lightning bolt strikes down. Charged, the lightning bolt takes longer to come down but is much more powerful when it does and has an area of damage effect when it hits the ground or target.
Dark: Tapping sends off a fairly strong blast at a randomized angle in the direction the caster's facing. Charged, the shot more reliably fires forward and upon connecting, a dark chain forms between the caster and the target, dealing 10% to the target while healing 10% damage to the caster.
Light: Essentially, fires a ray of glowing white energy... a radiant laser. Charged, it fires a stronger laser that penetrates enemies and objects and reflects off of walls.

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The Shield of Seals​

Its size may be exaggerated a bit, but essentially whoever grabs it will be invulnerable to attacks from the front. While the wielder can't attack while holding it, moving into enemies/objects will push them along with the wielder, and running into things will damage them. The shield lasts until it's taken enough damage or has been left unattended for long enough; you can see how much life the shield has left in it as the five gems stop glowing one-by-one.

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Lehran's Medallion​

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A medallion filled with the essence of a dark god, those who touch it are sent into a murderous frenzy. Upon picking it up, your character starts to glow red. Essentially, you start moving as if time were moving faster for just you with one exception- Faster attacks and movement, but normal fall speed. It lasts for about fifteen seconds, during which the wielder slowly takes damage over time equaling 30%.

 

[ChronoBound]

Ike got in cause he was popular for his usability as a unit and FE9's quality right? I don't see how the same couldn't apply to Lucina.

The problem is that Lucina is really similar to Marth, whom is absolutely never going anywhere. Marth's FE13 re-design, which is probably the most popular and well-known of all the lord re-designs, has him wearing the same exact clothes as Lucina. FE13 Marth was given away as free DLC in every territory.

The closest analogue to Ike this time would probably be Shulk. Shulk has the problem of being seen as "yet another swordsmen" and like Ike during pre-Brawl, he got most of his support from people who liked him in his game as well as the superb quality of his game. "X" may also prove to be for Shulk what FE10 was for Ike, something to help solidfy his support even further.

However, unlike Ike, there will be no "clearance re-inforcements" for Shulk because a used copy of Xenoblade goes for like $70, whereas in late 2006 you could find brand new copies of FE9 for only $15.

I think Shulk would probably have more support if more people played his game. His support is impressive considering how much of a limited release Xenoblade was.

 

[Shotguner159]

The problem is that Lucina is really similar to Marth, whom is absolutely never going anywhere. Marth's FE13 re-design, which is probably the most popular and well-known of all the lord re-designs, has him wearing the same exact clothes as Lucina. FE13 Marth was given away as free DLC in every territory.

What if they use her Great Lord design, or if they don't use Marth's Awakening re-design, or both?

 

[ChronoBound]

What if they use her Great Lord design, or if they don't use Marth's Awakening re-design, or both?

I really doubt that would happen. Ike did not use his Lord or FE10 designs despite both of them being more "recent" and only Lord Ike having Ragnell. Ranger Ike was the most well known design for Ike between the two designs despite Ranger Ike not having Ragnell.

Lucina in ALL of her artwork is only shown as the Marth look-a-like, and even in great lord, she still looks similar to Marth.

 

[Deleted member]

I know very little on Fire Emblem outside of what I've heard from you all, but perhaps Fire Emblem can finally get another Assist Trophy.

They could perhaps replace Lyn with Micaiah to placate Radiant Dawn fans who wants a female and get another Fire Emblem Assist Trophy from FE13.

@Swampasaur: I wouldn't say extremely likely for Roy, but he does have a good chance of being in.

>Replace Lyn with Micaiah

I will rage like the Fist of the Mother****ing North Star.

Replacing Lyn with Anna is fine though. Or they could just ADD more ATs. I don't see why we MUST keep all playable characters, but ATs need to be cycled.

Anyway, I wanna hear stage suggestions. If you guys can add videos or images even better. I don't mind spoilers.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

On the topics of items, I suggested in another thread that the Levin Sword would make a good item. It'd basically work like the Star Rod(i.e. can be swung like a normal sword), but when it's smashed it would summon a bolt of lightning in front of the user.

Also, a Hand Axe might make a good item.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I'm assuming the FE stage for SSB4 will be similar to Castle Siege in that it will be a vague amalgamation of different FE game environments.

Maybe the Ylisstol, Plegia Courtyard, and of coarse Valm's Demon Ingle or Endgame area [/spoiler] On top of Grima [/spoiler]
Also for music add the "Rival" boss theme from FE13, or the "ID[Purpose]" from FE13 being the avatar's IMO the best version of it, also have two versions of the main theme one from any the classics FE4/9/10, and then the Choir one from FE6

 

[Opossum]

Hmmm...

As far as Assist Trophies, Tiki would be pretty cool. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't she been in all FE games since Brawl's release? She could appear in human form, grab a Dragonstone, and fly around bombing the stage with her draconic blasts.

As far as other items; tomes, Einherjar (spelling?) cards, and the Levin Sword are all cool ideas, in my opinion. Especially the Levin Sword.

For Stages, Mount Prism, the Divine Dragon Grounds, Grima, and Ylisstol seem like some ideal locations for a FE13 stage.

@FE13 Villains being unpopular: I dunno...I actually really liked Validar. The guy gives off some nice Jafar-like vibes from his design. In fact, I think Validar and Grima could be rather cool bosses, if you ask me.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

On the topics of items, I suggested in another thread that the Levin Sword would make a good item. It'd basically work like the Star Rod(i.e. can be swung like a normal sword), but when it's smashed it would summon a bolt of lightning in front of the user.

Also, a Hand Axe might make a good item.

It's impractical in combat, even in close range it uses lightning...

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Hmmm...

As far as Assist Trophies, Tiki would be pretty cool. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't she been in all FE games since Brawl's release? She could appear in human form, grab a Dragonstone, and fly around bombing the stage with her draconic blasts.

Technically, so have Marth and the Pegasus Trio. The Pegasus Sisters actually have more appearances to they're name than Tiki.

For Stages, Mount Prism, the Divine Dragon Grounds, Grima, and Ylisstol seem like some ideal locations for a FE13 stage.

IMO Wyvern Valley might make a good stage....but I admit it's unlikely.

@FE13 Villains being unpopular: I dunno...I actually really liked Validar. The guy gives off some nice Jafar-like vibes from his design. In fact, I think Validar and Grima could be rather cool bosses, if you ask me.

I personally think that Walhart was actually really cool and Hammy.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

It's impractical in combat, even in close range it uses lightning...

In earlier games(in FE7/8 at least), magic swords were melee weapons when used at close range. I don't see why being able to summon a bolt of lightning would be impractical.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Marth can have a FE11 / FE12 based appearance, and Lucina wouldn't look out of place. If they could make her unique, or somewhat of a semi-clone of Marth I wouldn't care all too much.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I hate to be that guy that thinks this, but maybe the whole female analogy regarding to Fire Emblem might actually be more justified then people take for granted. But I'm not thinking with my penis here, I'm more talking from the prospective of game play elements.

For example, Caeda is a character that uses a lance which is at the moment an unexplored concept in Super Smash Bros, Anna who is a trickster and can use the Levin Sword which basically functions as both a melee and ranged weapon that utilizes electric based magic, Lyn who has very lightning flash movements and could possibly in theory use two blades and the bow if desired, Micaiah being capable of varies magic from the tomes and staves she can wield, and so on.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I hate to be that guy that thinks this, but maybe the whole female analogy regarding to Fire Emblem might actually be more justified then people take for granted. But I'm not thinking with my penis here, I'm more talking from the prospective of game play elements.

For example, Caeda is a character that uses a lance which is at the moment an unexplored concept in Super Smash Bros, Anna who is a trickster and can use the Levin Sword which basically functions as both a melee and ranged weapon that utilizes electric based magic, Lyn who has very lightning flash movements and could possibly in theory use two blades and the bow if desired, Micaiah being capable of varies magic from the tomes and staves she can wield, and so on.

True, most "important" female FE characters tend to be more interesting than "important" male characters, but that has nothing to do with them being female.

 

[•Col•]

I like the idea of having the Shield of Seals as an item in SSB4. It'd be cool to have an ACTUAL Fire Emblem in the game.

And to be honest, most people who play Smash but don't play Fire Emblem most likely don't even know what a Fire Emblem actually is.

Lehran's Medallion would probably work too, I guess. But I feel like it's not as iconic.

 

[FlareHabanero]

True, most "important" female FE characters tend to be more interesting than "important" male characters, but that has nothing to do with them being female.

Right, but I just simply mentioned this because people really want a female character from Fire Emblem, but from a gameplay prospective there is more justifications to this support then people take for granted. I mean let's face it, Chrom is not interesting, so looking into what would be more interesting doesn't hurt in retrospect. Anna for example sounds more appealing due to her ability to utilize electricity from her sword in a vein to Roy using fire, and can kill three birds with one stone: representing Fire Emblem: Awakening, representing Fire Emblem in general due to her recurring status, and introducing that desired female face.

 

[KassandraNova]

All women love Chrom, Marth, Ike, and Roy, including myself. They're pretty guys with swords, I'm sure there will plenty of pretty boys with swords in the new smash.

The character argument does get old, since most people are going off of opinions, and what they think is best, but lets face it, we just don't ****ing know.

Anyways, enough about that, I want to know who everyone married in Awakening. Husbando/Waifu discussion pls.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Husbando/Waifu discussion pls.

 

[KassandraNova]

Hahaha.

Dang. XD

 

[TheKingOfTown]

Oh snap. O_O

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also, here's the husbando version for those that are wondering

 

[LaniusShrike]

I like the idea of having the Sword of Seals as an item in SSB4. It'd be cool to have an ACTUAL Fire Emblem in the game.

And to be honest, most people who play Smash but don't play Fire Emblem most likely don't even know what a Fire Emblem actually is.

Lehran's Medallion would probably work too, I guess. But I feel like it's not as iconic.

To be fair, I'm not super familiar with FE and I made the items after trying to figure out what the heck the "Fire Emblem" actually was.

Still a bit confused on the whole thing, frankly. The items don't even have to do with fire and are arguably not even "emblems". I only played (most of) Path of Radiance... most of my knowledge comes from the Wikia.

 

[TheKingOfTown]

I love how there's no text for Kellam. XD

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

In earlier games(in FE7/8 at least), magic swords were melee weapons when used at close range. I don't see why being able to summon a bolt of lightning would be impractical.

Does that thing look practical for combat ? and no rune sword always cast magic no matter your range is...

 

[Fastblade5035]

Lucina in ALL of her artwork is only shown as the Marth look-a-like, and even in great lord, she still looks similar to Marth.

Yep, totally Marth.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Does that thing look practical for combat ?

Of course it does. Everyone knows that battle efficiency is based directly on how cool a weapon looks.

"Just point and shoot, boom, dead."​

"What... this...huh?"​

"DEAD."​