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I've sometimes thought of trying out Gaiden due curiosity (and it's just so unheard of anyway).
Because I feel a need to convince people to play the game:

The big difference for the game comes from the fact that item management sucked in FE1, so to solve it they did the simplest thing, remove items. This results in all units having permanent weapons that you cannot unequip (not that you need to change them).

Magic now works like magic spells in regular RPGs in that you can use them at any time but since there is no MP stat, each time you use them they cost you some HP (don't worry it's not as broken as it sounds), ironically healers can attack in this game.

You can pick up items like a "Steel Sword" or a "Dragon Shield" but you can only equip 1 item at a time and like in regular RPGs they mainly just boost some stats for you.

Promotion and Stat Up items are regulated to special Shines placed along the world map/in small dungeons. Each shrine offers the chance to give you up to 3 boosts split between 2 different stats, once used they cannot be used for the rest of the save file.

There's also a world map like in FE8/13, the main feature of it though, are various towns and dungeons you can visit as well as randomly spawning enemies. They act like they would in other RPGs (although you don't fight random encounters in dungeons, more like you walk into pre-set rooms of enemies). They mostly just help move the story along and the dungeons aren't very long or complicated (usually 5-6 different rooms with 2-3 pre-set fights).

Other than that classes often have a lot of gimmicks to them (ex. Bow Knights can attack from 1-5 spaces, Saints heal 5hp each turn to adjacent units, Falcon Knights attacks are always super effective against monsters). Certain classes can also promote twice.

Also I've imagine Alm and Cellica being long-time friends with Princess Daisy.
wut?

The game also has better graphics than FE1 (not every level is green) and the music has a lot more variety so you won't be stuck until the Final Chapter listening to the same music over and over again. The story is also much more well done than FE1 (and arguably 11), you can actually get a feel for Alm/Cellica's personalities.

If you do play the game though, I'd recommend playing it on easy mode. It doesn't do much other than give you double EXP, but considering the majority of the game will have you grinding enemies that only give you 1-3 EXP it's definitely worth it. Also lets you trade items freely between the two groups, but it doesn't do much since you unlock the function late in the game and the same amount of items are available for each group.
 

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Sound quite unbalanced and much different to many other Fire Emblem games.
 

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TripleHyper: Woow, loads of info, ( I could have maybe wanted to experience these myself but ah well). Thanks so much!!! Might try jumping in when I find some free time.

Well it's because I saw this comic about Daisy and it made me think of Alm and Cellica. I mean yeah the comic's more of a headcanon but since I regard Alm and Cellica as the most unknown Lords of FE... made me think of them relating to Daisy too (though even if they aren't ever to be seen until recently in Awakening.) Also I'm thinking about Daisy having her own FE-game where she defends Sarasaland from some threat while getting all kinds of unheard folk like her help her in the way.

Sorry, just another crossover derp of mine.
 

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Sound quite unbalanced and much different to many other Fire Emblem games.
Don't worry it's not, enemies can be pretty powerful with spells like Medusa (which has a far chance of hitting you and it reduces your HP to 1 automatically, was a big problem in 1 chapter when the boss who had it also had a Magic Ring which extends their range by 5).

Certain enemies also multiply each turn if you don't take them out quickly enough, it a MAJOR problem in the final chapter.

Often times levels vary in difficulty, enemies can be easy one chapter, but the next they can receive major stat boosts, which forces you to grind for levels.

Each team also starts off with somewhat handicapped units (Alm has Villagers, Cellica has mages) during their first few chapters and there can also be stage hazards on the map too (Ex. lava).
 

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Dunno if anyone noticed it but this day marks 10nth Anniversary with Fire Emblem 7/Rekka No Ken.

Hector, Eliwood and Lyn should have a triple birthday party. Anyway, my congrats to all three, have a Tales Of Friends-styled chibis:





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I feel today Ike is more of the mascot than Marth, but many would disagree with me (mostly Marth fanboys), now I expect someone to say "look who's talking Ike Fanboy"
 

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Not really. I like Ike better, but Marth has appeared in more FEs and was in both of the most recent Smash games. Plus he's gotten way more publicity than Ike.

He's more of a mascot than Ike is IMO.
 
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In the West I would definitely say he is.

Not so much in Japan, though he still ranks fairly high in Japanese polls.

What can I say, people love the Ikemeister.

Anyway, anyone have any Japanese polls that rate all the lords similar to mine? I wanna compare Japanese views with Western views... Maybe I'll ask Chrono, he might have something.
 

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Ike's games still marked the start of the 3D and console games. And up to today, he's been the only Lord of a console title. Maybe you could count Micaiah to, but who besides Sothe (and DragonSniper) cares about Micaiah? To Westerns, he's still the dude who appeared in the most games as main character. I suppose if FE12 got it's translation we could make Marth the official face, but right now it's still Ike for me.

The fact that his descendant appears in a game that is basically based on Marth's legacy is also a proof that IS definitely wants us to remember Ike and that they favor him a lot. He's also reffered to as 'the strongest warrior of them all' by that old dude who has those magic card summoning the old FE cast IIRC. That's saying something right? Plus, they could've, you know, NOT give Chrom and Lucina Aether.

So I'll just clear it up. Fire Emblem related, I absolutely want / need Marth and Ike to appear. And Roy would be an awesome bonus. 4th character I'd like to be Lyn probably, as Hector is so unlikely and all. But Lucina or Chrom could also do.
 

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I don't think Lyn is anymore likely than hector. Many people see her as more prominent because she the one who appears as an assist trophy but i think that happened for other reasons.

Edit: Diddy, have you played FE13? Based on some subtle hints you've made in posts you seem sorta against the game. I could be wrong though.
 

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I haven't played FE13 but I've been spoiled by the masses about it. And I'm not against it no, just have certain pet peeves with it now.

Also, Ike and Marth seem to know each other in FE13..?
 

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Apperantly they where chilling in 'The Other World'.

We all know that's Smash Bros. though right? :smirk:
 
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I don't think Lyn is anymore likely than hector. Many people see her as more prominent because she the one who appears as an assist trophy but i think that happened for other reasons.

Edit: Diddy, have you played FE13? Based on some subtle hints you've made in posts you seem sorta against the game. I could be wrong though.

Well, Lyn IS the only FE7 lord to get into DLC. I think she's also prefered by IS. Ike seems to have mainly replaced Hector as the official badass.

They stand at around the same in popularity though, Lyn and Hector that is. Likewise Lyn can have a more original moveset AND is female. Those are all bonus points.

Why DID Lyn get in as an Assist I wonder? Was it cause Sakurai really listened to western fans?
 

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Well, Lyn IS the only FE7 lord to get into DLC. I think she's also prefered by IS. Ike seems to have mainly replaced Hector as the official badass.

They stand at around the same in popularity though, Lyn and Hector that is. Likewise Lyn can have a more original moveset AND is female. Those are all bonus points.

Why DID Lyn get in as an Assist I wonder? Was it cause Sakurai really listened to western fans?
I always thought it was because with her quick assassin like attacks she was the one who had the potential to be an assist trophy without being another little mac or gray fox.

But who knows, maybe he did notice the demand.
 

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The most requested, on this site, for FE lords inclusion in Smash is
Marth
Ike
Lyn
Lucina
Roy
Chrom
In no particular order (keep that in mind)
 

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So...does Marth know Roy?
Dunno lol

Haven't played the game, only watched a few videos of DLC chapters.

Ike mentoined Marth in a way that he really cares about his comrades and he sympathises with him for that.

He was just playing hard to get when he said 'You get no sympathy from me' when he beat Marth in Brawl. :nervous:

Seriously though, Ike is straight.
If Soren is a girl
And Ike would be female
Thus making him be lesbian with Mia :awesome:
 

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I don't think the DLC chapters are considered canon. And besides, if they were, it wouldn't mean Ike ever knew marth. Those cards aren't the real characters, they're just projections of the original hero.
 
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WFT??

Seriously, can we just talk about talk about Elincia instead of how gay Ike might be?



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Start at 01.30.

Now that I think of it, Aimee would be able to get a baby out of Ike if she actually succeeded in cornering him.
 
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Well, I was actually referring to the fact that she looks like she belongs in Knights of the Zodiac with her DLC armor...

But that works too I guess.
 

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Notice how Shinon says: 'You act like you're not interessted in something and thenn you swoop in and... STEAL IT AWAY!'

Did Ike steal Shinon's woman later on you think? :idea:
 

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Notice how Shinon says: 'You act like you're not interessted in something and thenn you swoop in and... STEAL IT AWAY!'

Did Ike steal Shinon's woman later on you think? :idea:
Why would Shinon comment on it if it happened LATER on? :troll:

I think Shinon's just tsundere. :troll:
 

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Maybe a little, but he does have some real grudges against Ike.
 

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Hey FE nerds, does this list contain all of Fire Emblem's Prominten, Important, and Fan Favorites?

Marth
Ike
Roy
Anna
Black Knight
Caeda
Chrom
Eirika
Emphraim
Hector
Leaf
Liz
Lucina
Lyn
Micaiah
Narbarl
Sigurd
Soren


I'm not looking to simply expand this list, but to add any characters that fit one of those THREE categories. Unless you have a personal fave, then I'll add them :)
 

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Hey FE nerds, does this list contain all of Fire Emblem's Prominten, Important, and Fan Favorites?

Marth
Ike
Roy
Anna
Black Knight
Caeda
Chrom
Eirika
Emphraim
Hector
Leaf
Liz
Lucina
Lyn
Micaiah
Narbarl
Sigurd
Soren
I'm not sure Narbarl deserves to be on there. And where's eliwood? And possibly Sothe. The Avatar should be on there too. Hes customize-able but has a character all to his own.
 

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I'm not sure Narbarl deserves to be on there. And where's eliwood? And possibly Sothe. The Avatar should be on there too. Hes customize-able but has a character all to his own.
Narbarl is there strictly because he's Sakurai's fave. But I'll definitely add "The Avatar". What should his name look like? What do I call him on the poll? "FE13 Avatar"?

And I'll add Sothe and Eliwood
 

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Narbarl is there strictly because he's Sakurai's fave. But I'll definitely add "The Avatar". What should his name look like? What do I call him on the poll? "FE13 Avatar"?

And I'll add Sothe and Eliwood
Elincia could be added as well.

Call Avatar, "Robin (FE 13 Avatar)."
 

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Add Kellam out of pure irony :troll:
 

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Narbarl is there strictly because he's Sakurai's fave. But I'll definitely add "The Avatar". What should his name look like? What do I call him on the poll? "FE13 Avatar"?

And I'll add Sothe and Eliwood
Nobody has really agreed on what name to use. People all say MU (my unit), Avatar, Robin and very rarely "the Tactician".

I'd go with FE13 Avatar as its not as easily confused.
 

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Maybe Priam to?

And mayybeee the BLAK NITE to to see if his popularity lives up to what it was pre-Brawl?
 

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Maybe Priam to?

And mayybeee the BLAK NITE to to see if his popularity lives up to what it was pre-Brawl?
Black Knight has actually been on my polls since 2010. I nevar fo'grit him.

And Priam you say? Also I went with "Robin (FE13 Avatar)"
 

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Ike being so popular despite his games not being too popular or well sold means a lot though.
Nearly every person who bought FE9 likes Ike. In many FE games (FE13 being the most recent example) you can like the game but not like the lord (or you like another lord in the game), but Ike being the sole lord in his game for FE9, being a great unit in it, and having an interesting character compared to most other lords is what endeared him to most people who played FE9. The Ike fanbase really grew during pre-Brawl when FE9 when on clearance. FE9's quality was a bigger argument to win people over to Ike than any argument we Ike fans could come up with. :laugh:
 
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