You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[Swamp Sensei]

Poor Alm.

What's an Alm anyways?

Spoiler

 

[FlareHabanero]

Marth
Ike
Chrom (Marth/Ike clone)
Roy (Marth clone)
Lucina (Marth clone)

These are our biggest contenders for Fire Emblem? yaaaay....

To quote myself from another thread.

So basically the Fire Emblem situation is that no matter what everyone loses in the end anyway.

I'm a broken record, but there's a reason why Fire Emblem discussions are a fruitless endeavor.

 

[Deleted member]

Lyn is doing better than I thought.

Agreed, a lot better than I expected aswell. Guess I should have more faith in my fellow men.

Anyway, it seems Lucina and Ike are tied for 1st. Also Lucina is clearly more popular than Chrom.

One thing though, it should be noted that this poll is within the context of FE. It does NOT discredit Roy's support for Smash. All it does is prove to us how popular the newcomers really are in contrast to the vets. Who's more popular between Lucina and Chrom, thus giving us a good idea of who might be more likely between the two (I should note that I found Lucina to take the lead in Japanese polls as well. I actually mentioned this ages ago in the Roster Thread). And it validates Ike's return for Smash 4. The most popular Western Lord cannot go missing. It'd be about as bad as cutting Marth would be for the Japanese.

 

[Shorts]

The worst part is, any characters who MIGHT be interesting in Smash are often shut down when they're brought up. Our only REAL hope at a non-clone is Lyn. No matter what anyone says, she's always a choice. She's an AT, Sakurai has recognized her. She's there.

 

[Deleted member]

The worst part is, any characters who MIGHT be interesting in Smash are often shut down when they're brought up. Our only REAL hope at a non-clone is Lyn. No matter what anyone says, she's always a choice. She's an AT, Sakurai has recognized her. She's there.

Well, there's Hector, but Ike already does a better job at what he could do...

 

[Shorts]

Well, there's Hector, but Ike already does a better job at what he could do...

Lyn's saving grace is that she showed up in Brawl. In the same form as Little Mac, Goroh, Isaac, ect. She was a partial character pretty much. I don't consider her QUITE as likely as the three I mentioned before, but she's THE WILD CARD imo. We will never see Caeda, Micaiah, or Black Knight playable in all likelyhood, but I think Lyn has a chance.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Exactly. I hope Ike will use axes in some of his moves to. Hector would've been amazing, but Lyn is far likelier. And I agree with Shortie she's basically the only (safe) choice for a full unique character.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

What about micaiah or robin? Can't exactly clone marth for those two. Or are we only taking about the people who scored high on the poll/got included?

 

[Shorts]

Manly shoulda been here in Summer 2011. Black Knight, Micaiah, Lyn, Caeda, Hector all had much stronger standing fanbases around here. Those were the days. When Victini vs. Zoroark, and Junior vs. Toad were a heated topics.

 

[Diddy Kong]

They could do a East vs West theme with Fire Emblem maybe? Ike and Lyn as Western choices. Marth and Roy for Eastern choices?

 

[Deleted member]

What about micaiah or robin? Can't exactly clone marth for those two. Or are we only taking about the people who scored high on the poll/got included?

Robin isn't a lord. At least not according to all the fansites.

As for Micaiah, look at her meek support.

Exactly. I hope Ike will use axes in some of his moves to. Hector would've been amazing, but Lyn is far likelier. And I agree with Shortie she's basically the only (safe) choice for a full unique character.

You know... there is a thing though. Considering how lazy Sakurai has been in the past, and how he's taken a preference for easy cloney characters, or making very clone-like characters out of unique newcomers like Ganondorf, Toon Link and Lucas. I almost feel like Lyn's uniqueness actually stands against her in contrast Lucina and Chrom.

She would have needed overwhelming support back at around 2010-2011. I guess Shorty is right. I SHOULD have been here months ago, hehehehe...

Though she's still got a fair shot, we just have to pull for some sort of miracle at this point and hope that her previous support was enough for Sakurai to decide to make her go full playable for Smash 4. I mean, the roster is supposedly decided by this point, and it should be considering how long development has been going for.

 

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The worst part is, any characters who MIGHT be interesting in Smash are often shut down when they're brought up.

Krystal?

Manly shoulda been here in Summer 2011. Black Knight, Micaiah, Lyn, Caeda, Hector all had much stronger standing fanbases around here. Those were the days. When Victini vs. Zoroark, and Junior vs. Toad were a heated topics.

Could have used him in the fight against Chrono.


Really only care about Marth & Ike, both of whom I'm (money betting) confident in returning. Lyn's okay, I do think she's better than Chrom in almost every regard, but for the most part it's just wishful thinking for her to get in at this point IMO.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I'd be so happy with hector. I don't see why people say Lyn is that much more likely. I mean they're tied on the poll at least.

Robin isn't a lord. At least not according to all the fansites.

As for Micaiah, look at her meek support.

I suppose Micaiah doesn't have much of a chance since she already missed her train and lacks support. :/

Anyways
http://serenesforest.net/general/generalfaq.htm
They mention main characters aka lords. Robin meets every requirement out there except having the lord class. But nobody even has that one in RD.

 

[Shorts]

Krystal?

You know my trigger word. But more or less, yeah. Except I think Lyn has more stacked against her solely because Krystal is unrivaled within' her own franchise, and Lyn, is not... at all.

This place needs more n00bs just so "the voices of reason" are drowned out a bit, and we can actually find people who want to talk about characters who aren't: Little Mac, Shulk, Megaman, Ridley, King K. Rool, Mewtwo, Palutena, ect.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd be so happy with hector. I don't see why people say Lyn is that much more likely. I mean they're tied on the poll at least.

I suppose Micaiah doesn't have much of a chance since she already missed her train and lacks support. :/

Anyways
http://serenesforest.net/general/generalfaq.htm
They mention main characters aka lords. Robin meets every requirement out there except having the lord class. But nobody even has that one in RD.

Well, no one's really complained about Robin's exclusion so far. Though in hindsight I should have added him/her.

Anyway, in regard to Smash, would Robin be male or female?

You know my trigger word. But more or less, yeah. Except I think Lyn has more stacked against her solely because Krystal is unrivaled within' her own franchise, and Lyn, is not... at all.

This place needs more n00bs just so "the voices of reason" are drowned out a bit, and we can actually find people who want to talk about characters who aren't: Little Mac, Shulk, Megaman, Ridley, King K. Rool, Mewtwo, Palutena, ect.

6 weeks man, six weeks and things will certainly get more interesting.


That's when the real debates will start, but also when they'll be most pointless.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Well, no one's really complained about Robin's exclusion so far. Though in hindsight I should have added him/her.

Anyway, in regard to Smash, would Robin be male or female?

I'm not sure. Many people have proposed that half of the alternate costume be male while the other be female.
Although, there are a number of reasons that suggest that male is the defualt/expected gender in awakening.

I don't think it would be female without male being an alternate.

6 weeks man, six weeks and things will certainly get more interesting.


That's when the real debates will start, but also when they'll be most pointless.

Unless we get confirmation that there will be character DLC. I think debates would be much larger if that happens.

..and scarier.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not sure. Many people have proposed that half of the alternate costume be male while the other be female.
Although, there are a number of reasons that suggest that male is the defualt/expected gender in awakening.

I don't think it would be female without male being an alternate.

That sounds logical.

I remember hearing a Chrom + Robin Duo for Smash 4. For some reason though, I have a hard time seeing this work together. I'm not sure why as Diddy Dixie makes sense to me, and we have the Ice Climbers, but I feel those two would have to be a full Tag-team, like Carl in Blazblue, and really, in a non-HP based fighter, that'd be hard to properly balance. Any ideas on how it'd work?

 

[Gingerbread Man]

That sounds logical.

I remember hearing a Chrom + Robin Duo for Smash 4. For some reason though, I have a hard time seeing this work together. I'm not sure why as Diddy Dixie makes sense to me, and we have the Ice Climbers, but I feel those two would have to be a full Tag-team, like Carl in Blazblue, and really, in a non-HP based fighter, that'd be hard to properly balance. Any ideas on how it'd work?

I'm not really opposed to the idea but I don't think a duo will happen for one simple reason.
Chrom and Robin are not the same. Unlike ice climbers who have the same animations and almost the same model, they would have to be different. They would need custom run animations skins, bone structures, and attacks. That would take a lot of work for developing one character. Its seems like a smarter move to separate them instead of creating two characters mashed into one.

 

[Deleted member]

That is very true. Sakurai dropped the Kong Duo due to the difficulty behind making them work and time restraints impeding process. Diddy+Dixie is a better duo choice worth the effort imo, I don't see him putting that effort into a less iconic choice, especially when FE slots are so competed with other choices that would be easier to program.

 

[ChronoBound]

One thing though, it should be noted that this poll is within the context of FE. It does NOT discredit Roy's support for Smash. All it does is prove to us how popular the newcomers really are in contrast to the vets. .

The Japan-only lords performed poorly in general, even powerhouse Sigurd is behind most of the international lords. As I said before, less than 10% of Western FE fans have even played the Japan-only FE games. I think that poll is more accurate to assess the popularity of the international lords among each other than Japan-only lords like Alm, Cellica, Sigurd, Celice, Roy, and Leaf.

Also, Lucina being ahead of Chrom is not a surprise. Nearly everyone who has played FE13 said they preferred her over Chrom. In the North American FE13 poll, she was first place (though she was listed as being "Marth" so there could have been a lot of people who voted for her because some people who have not played FE13 really thought she was Melee/Brawl Marth), and she ranked as the most popular female in the FE13 poll.

Also, there is no "winner" to the poll, Ike and Lucina are slightly ahead of the rest, but Ephraim, Chrom, Hector, and Lyn are all close behind.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Hey Manly,you want me to take your poll over to NintendoLife?

 

[ChronoBound]

Manly shoulda been here in Summer 2011. Black Knight, Micaiah, Lyn, Caeda, Hector all had much stronger standing fanbases around here.

Not really.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Things are getting heated up here. If I remember correctly, Sakurai did mention that he wanted this game to present unique characters. If that is the case, introducing someone who can switch between weapons could be an interesting option for Fire Emblem. Once again I'm going for Chrom because I'm that biased- er, I mean, because he can wield Swords and Lances as a Great Lord. Lucina can, too. But she's just a Char Clone. I wouldn't like to see Marth and Lucina fighting together, it'd be an... confusing sight -take Marth out and I won't complain-. The Avatar could also be an interesting choice, due to the fact that he/she fights with both Swords and Lances, but the problem would remain if they'll choose a 'Canon' gender for him/her (or it could be easily solved by somehow letting the player choose between genders.)

Lyn would be a good choice only for her move-set potential, really. If SSB4 does bring back a competitive gameplay, and someone like Lyn is in the game, then I can bet my cash that she'll be a fierce character. And regarding the matter of Ike, recent polls have shown that he isn't exactly popular in Japan. Then again, that's only Japan, I know for sure that he has a ridiculous amount of fans here in the West. Western FE fans seem to like badass characters like him, those who dominate the tiers, while other characters are shunned.

 

[ChronoBound]

And regarding the matter of Ike, recent polls have shown that he isn't exactly popular in Japan. Then again, that's only Japan, I know for sure that he has a ridiculous amount of fans here in the West. Western FE fans seem to like badass characters like him, those who dominate the tiers, while other characters are shunned.

There are no polls that show Ike is unpopular in Japan.

 

[Roy-Kun]

There are no polls that show Ike is unpopular in Japan.

I'm pretty sure I saw one at SerenesForest's Awakening section, I don't remember the topic, but there was a poll that consisted of the DLC Characters of Awakening. Ike was pretty much at the bottom of that list compared to the other Lords.

 

[ChronoBound]

I'm pretty sure I saw one at SerenesForest's Awakening section, I don't remember the topic, but there was a poll that consisted of the DLC Characters of Awakening. Ike was pretty much at the bottom of that list compared to the other Lords.

I am pretty sure that was a site poll for Serenes Forest on what DLC characters they liked. Considering Ike's attricious re-design, its no wonder he did poorly.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Are we gonna predict Lyn's Top Tier placement here already? Like we all could predict MetaKnight's?

 

[Roy-Kun]

I am pretty sure that was a site poll for Serenes Forest on what DLC characters they liked. Considering Ike's attricious re-design, its no wonder he did poorly.

And I am pr- er, let's not keep this on. It was sourced from the Knights of Iris Book. Here I found a Link -though it's not from Serenes Forest, but it has the data-.

I'll have to agree with you though, Ike's re-design is not doing justice to the character.

Are we gonna predict Lyn's Top Tier placement here already? Like we all could predict MetaKnight's?

Hahahaha, oops. My Lyn fanboyism is showing.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I predicted Diddy would be Top Tier to. No joke.

 

[ChronoBound]

Honestly, on 2ch when I was browsing it for their thoughts on upcoming events, I one time came across a lot of people bashing Ike. I think they were bashing him because "I hate him because he is popular".

However, in general their Top 5 favorite FE games are 1. FE3; 2. FE4; 3./4./5. FE6/FE7/FE13

A lot of the current hardcore FE fans in Japan are people who started with the GBA FE games. FE13 brought a whole bunch of new fans into the series and some older FE fans (from SFC and GBA eras) do have some resentment about that.

 

[Diddy Kong]

FE7 is holding up popularity in Japan? I thought they often disregarded it as 'too casual'? Would seem to me the Japanese would like FE6 a lot better for nostalgic vallues. As that game marked the revival of the series after all.

 

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There are no polls that show Ike is unpopular in Japan.

Awesome.

I'm pretty sure I saw one at SerenesForest's Awakening section, I don't remember the topic, but there was a poll that consisted of the DLC Characters of Awakening. Ike was pretty much at the bottom of that list compared to the other Lords.

Think I saw the one you're talking about, and that was entirely DLC outfits. Would have placed Micaiah or Celica under him, but that's just my personal preference.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

That guy will make such a fine Lord in Fire Emblem.

 

[Neanderthal]

Marth
Ike
Chrom (Marth/Ike clone)
Roy (Marth clone)
Lucina (Marth clone)

These are our biggest contenders for Fire Emblem? yaaaay....

Pretty much how I feel.
I'm at the point where I'd just prefer they used a slot on a character from another series instead of a third FE swordsman.
That or hope for a new interesting lord who doesn't always need a sword for the next FE game.

I thought I would share this.

"Q) Who are the main characters of each games?
A) Here's the current list:

• FE1: Marth
• FE2: Arum and Cellica
• FE3: Marth
• FE4: Sigurd and Celice
• FE5: Leaf
• FE6: Roy
• FE7: Lyn, Eliwood and Hector
• FE8: Eirika and Ephraim
• FE9: Ike
• FE10: Micaiah and Ike
• FE11: Marth
• FE12: Marth and your Avatar
• FE13: Chrom and your Avatar

Note: The main heroes are usually of the Lord class, so some fans refer to them as just Lords."


I suppose the only reason why Lucina is not included on this list is because she can be defeated in battle without a game over and comes late in the game. But shes a lord class so it seems silly not to include her.

Thanks!
Marth and Ike seem like really the only ones that aren't overly debatable.
The equality of everyone else creates a nightmare.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey Manly,you want me to take your poll over to NintendoLife?

Yes please! The more the merrier in this case.

If SSB4 does bring back a competitive gameplay, and someone like Lyn is in the game, then I can bet my cash that she'll be a fierce character.

YES!! Someone else gets it!

 

[Deleted member]

Well, I said I'd update once we hit 1000. And it seems Christmas came sooner than expected:


Who are your favorite Fire Emblem Lords?

(you can choose more than one)

Lucina 13% 448 votes

Ike 13% 448 votes

Lyn 12% 413 votes

Hector 12% 413 votes

Chrom 11% 379 votes

Ephriam 9% 310 votes

Marth 7% 241 votes

Eirkia 4% 138 votes

Roy 4% 138 votes

Eliwood 4% 138 votes

Micaiah 4% 138 votes

Sigurd 3% 103 votes

Leif 2% 69 votes

Selica 1% 35 votes

Selis 1% 35 votes

Alm 1% 35 votes


Total votes: 3443 Voters: 1003


Keep in mind that the votes beside each character are mathematical approximations, not tallies.



Lucina actually held her own as the most popular ahead of Ike for quite a bit, that's why I placed her ahead of Ike. It's very surprising for me to see her as the MOST popular lord in the West so far. Anyone mind clueing me in as to why she's so liked?

Lyn also managed to stay ahead of Hector for some time, though I wish I could have had tallies in this case just to see the final results as it was a close contest between the two.

Other than that, you can pretty much garner the rest yourself. Alm is in his own tier because I think he literally may have gotten only 1 vote. For the longest time he was at 0%.

I must say I'm pleasantly surprised to find Lyn to be tied for 2nd most popular lord in the West.

In regard to future updates, I may do one at 2000, though the resuts of the poll have stayed largely the same for a good 700 voters, so I don't think we'll see many changes really. I think this might very well be the general opinion across the West, lest anyone else has any suggestions on where else to post it. I don't wanna extrapolate, but I think we've hit a nice and varied sample.

Anyway, thoughts? Analysis?

 

[ChronoBound]

I will do a brief analysis because I don't have the time, but I have a very extensive knowledge on FE.

Ike:
I would say Ike is probably higher than Lucina is (its dumb that there is not specific amounts). Ike being the most popular lord among Western FE fans is not a shock considering he is regarded as being the strongest lord in the entire series, and is the only lord aside from Marth to be a lord in more than one game, and to have both of them released internationally. Ike is also very likable as a character, at least in FE9.

Lucina:
I do believe she is behind Ike in popularity. I think a big reason why she is as high as she is among FE fans is because FE13 is still very fresh in their mind. Most people who played FE13 liked her as a unit and a character better than Chrom. Her strong design similarities to Marth probably help a bit as well. She is very much riding on the accolades for FE13 though, and she is definitely the strongest female lord in the entire series.

Hector:
Definitely the strongest international lord after Ike. FE7 is probably the most popular international FE (though FE13 possibly could have changed that, though we will have to wait until the long-term to see). In most polls I have seen for FE7 and FE series in general, Hector is usually ranked as the most popular of the FE7 lords. He being among the best units in FE7 and having a very brash personality which is popular among Westerners contributes to his popularity.

Lyn:
Lyn is less popular than Hector, though definitely within the Top 5 most popular lords in the West. Like Hector, she rides on the fact that FE7 is the most popular international FE. She is not considered to be as good a unit as Hector, so that is the reason why her popularity is overall less than him.

Chrom:
Chrom being as high as he is probably due the high accolades of FE13 and it overall being very fresh in people's minds. Although Chrom is considered to be a very good unit in FE13, many people who played it complained about him being "bland" or "uninteresting". His popularity will probably fall below that of Ephraim among Western FE fans in the long-run.

Ephraim:
Like Hector and Ike, lots of FE fans love Ephraim for being a great unit. The only problem is that Sacred Stones is regarded as the weakest internationally released FE aside from Shadow Dragon. If FE8 were regarded better by FE fans, he probably would be on par with Hector in terms of popularity.

Marth:
Shadow Dragon was the least liked of the international FE games, so it would follow that he would be the least liked international lord that shares the spotlight by himself. Its too bad FE3 and FE12 were not ever released internationally, else Marth would definitely be much higher than he is. Marth is a good unit in FE11 and did not have to worry about being overshadowed by other lords like Eirika, Eliwood, and Micaiah were in their games.

Roy:
FE6 is probably the most played Japan-only FE game by Western FE fans due to the fact that it is much more accessible than every other Japan-only FE due to its strong similarities to the other two GBA FE games. Roy is the highest Japan-only lord for this reason. I would say less than 10% of Western FE fans have even played a single Japan-only FE game.

Eliwood:
Eliwood is perhaps the most underrated lord in the entire series (or at least among the international ones), both as an unit and a character. He is regarded as being a better unit than Lyn, and on Hector Mode, Eliwood is even debateably better than Hector. Eliwood not standing out as much as Hector and Lyn is probably the primary reason behind him being far behind the other two FE7 lords.

Eirika:
Eirika is a case of a being overshadowed by a much stronger lord within her own game. The fact that FE8 is not as well-received as the rest of the internationally release FE games aside from Shadow Dragon. She is also just not very interesting as a lord to most people, with her being a female version of the typical rapier-using lord arche-type being her most peculiar attribute.

Micaiah:
Micaiah, like Eliwood and Eirika, has the problem of having to share her game with the monster that is Ike. It does not help that she is often regarded as the worst international lord in terms of being a unit, and is often denigrated as being a "mary sue". There is also the problem that FE10 is not as highly regarded as FE7, FE9, and FE13 are among Western FE fans.

Sigurd:
Sigurd being as low as he is is proof that very, very few Western FE fans have even played the Japan-only FE games. Sigurd is often regarded as the strongest lord in the series next to Ike, and he hails from FE4 which is often regarded by the most hardcore of the Western FE fans as the best of the Japan-only FE games. FE4 is probably the most played Japan-only FE game after FE6. Still looking at how low Sigurd is, I would probably now say that 5% or less of Western FE fans have even played the Japan-only FE games.

Leaf:
Leaf is a curious case. He is yet another Japan-only lord, but he also was a unit in more than one title in the series (he is a non-lord in FE4, and a lord in FE5). He is one of the weakest lords in the series (perhaps the single most weakest), so that partially explains why he is lower than Sigurd. However, despite being a weak lord, he is very popular among the few Western FE fans that have played FE5 due to the few having played FE5 end up really liking it (I am an example of this). Due to its intense difficulty, even less people have played FE5 compared to FE4 and FE6.

Celice:
Celice is yet another example of a lord being overshadowed by a much stronger one within his own game. He is probably the most underrated lord in the series next to Eliwood. While he does not start off as good as his father Sigurd, due to his very high growths and receiving the Tyrfing earlier, he ends up becoming a stronger unit than even Sigurd by the end of Generation 2. Celice's very effeminate appearance also probably hurts his popularity, even among the few that have played the Japan-only FE games.

Cellica:
The Famicom FEs are probably the least accessible of the Japan-only FE games due to how dated they are. However like with most FE's with more than one lord, there is one that is clearly more popular than the other. Cellica is more popular than her co-star Alm due to being regarded as a better unit and due to her being more "interesting" since she is a mage, while Alm is just another sword-wielding lord.

Alm:
FE2 is probably the least played Japan-only FE among Western FE fans. He is also overshadowed by Cellica, which explains why he is virtually non-existent to Western FE fans.​

 

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Cellica:​

The Famicom FEs are probably the least accessible of the Japan-only FE games due to how dated they are. However like with most FE's with more than one lord, there is one that is clearly more popular than the other. Cellica is more popular than her co-star Alm due to being regarded as a better unit and due to her being more "interesting" since she is a mage, while Alm is just another sword-wielding lord.​

Alm:​

FE2 is probably the least played Japan-only FE among Western FE fans. He is also overshadowed by Cellica, which explains why he is virtually non-existent to Western FE fans.​

Don't worry Alm, I'll cry for us both. Would blame Cellica and her boobs, but I have nothing against her and she's arguably the most interesting female lord moveset wise.

Cellica is definitely the better unit in terms of usefulness (until you the get the OVERPOWERED Pegasus Sisters, her team's full of mostly mages and sucks, it's like the Micaiah chapters in FE10). Alm is also pretty good but his team is much more balanced so you don't need to rely on him as much, can be a beast if you level him up properly.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I've sometimes thought of trying out Gaiden due curiosity (and it's just so unheard of anyway).

Also I've imagine Alm and Cellica being long-time friends with Princess Daisy.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ike being so popular despite his games not being too popular or well sold means a lot though.