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[Robert of Normandy]

Don't know if this was brought up but would Priam/Paris be alright for an alt costume for ike?
It doesn't have to be a new character model. It could just be Ike dressed as his
descendant.

It's certainly possible. I think it'd actually be cool, if costumes are implemented, to have characters "cosplay" as others. So Ike could have a Priam-based alt(would certainly be better than his Awakening redesign), Marth could have a Chrom or "Masked Marth" based alt, etc.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Don't know if this was brought up but would Priam/Paris be alright for an alt costume for ike?
It doesn't have to be a new character model. It could just be Ike dressed as his
descendant.

That idea would work also you would need much longer hair too

 

[Roy-Kun]

That idea would work also you would need much longer hair too

Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 had no problem with Zero's DLC costume to look like Megaman X.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I just started playing FE7 again, (last time I played it I sucked at the game and lost ALOT of units) luckily the other FE games made me good at it and now I'm already at chapter 17 losing no units. After getting this far, I feel either Elibe or Tellius series should have another game, Jugdral is fine too, but I don't like the idea of Akaniea again, or Magvel.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Tellius has had 2 already, plus Ike sailed away to Ylisse/Valm/wherever.

Magvel should be visited again IMO.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Tellius has had 2 already, plus Ike sailed away to Ylisse/Valm/wherever.

Magvel should be visited again IMO.

Nah Magvel is very boring, I view as a one time continent, Tellius,Elibe or Jugdral take the cake.... TBH I feel we will be waiting a little more for a Fire Emblem, TBH I think the game deprivation paid off with amazing sales, so they will hold it off until we feel Nostalgic...

 

[Neanderthal]

Are we expecting E3 to have an announcement (or more) for the next non-handheld Fire Emblem game?
It's been more than 6 years since the last one was released so surely it's about time.

 

[loganhogan]

What is the reason that out of Awakening's lord cast Chrom is automatically considered the only possibility of the cast?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What is the reason that out of Awakening's lord cast Chrom is automatically considered the only possibility of the cast?

He's the popular one.

Plus Lucina is seen as too similar to Marth (although Chrom has the same problem)

 

[loganhogan]

Lucina is more popular than Chrom.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Lucina is the popular one, but she's more like a gender-swap of Marth. Don't get me wrong, I like Lucina too. but I'd prefer to see Chrom.

Not gonna go in theories, simply because it's how I see it working more, for Chrom being the main hero of the newest Fire Emblem game, simple as that..

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Lucina is more popular than Chrom.

I mean when it comes to requests for SSB4.

I guess Lucina, as cool as she is, just isn't as iconic as Chrom.

 

[loganhogan]

Lucina is the popular one, but she's more like a gender-swap of Marth. Don't get me wrong, I like Lucina too. but I'd prefer to see Chrom.

Not gonna go in theories, simply because it's how I see it working more, for Chrom being the main hero of the newest Fire Emblem game, simple as that..

That is only in appearance but Chrom is easily a bandana-less replica of Ike. His personality, combat, and story has more akin to Ike than Lucina's combinations people use against her to Marth.

Chrom is introduced as the main hero but he shares that role and his story is only existent because of Lucina and the Avatar. The Avatar, especially, gives Chrom a run for his money.

I mean when it comes to requests for SSB4.

I guess Lucina, as cool as she is, just isn't as iconic as Chrom.

Iconic to SSB fans or Fire Emblem fans?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Iconic to SSB fans or Fire Emblem fans?

Both.

Chrom is the poster boy for FE13. He technically shares the role with "Marth" but most people think of Chrom and My Avatar when they think of FE13.

 

[Roy-Kun]

That is only in appearance but Chrom is easily a bandana-less replica of Ike. His personality, combat, and story has more akin to Ike than Lucina's combinations people use against her to Marth.

Chrom is introduced as the main hero but he shares that role and his story is only existent because of Lucina and the Avatar. The Avatar, especially, gives Chrom a run for his money.

I don't really think Chrom could be another Ike. If they do that, they would be wasting a lot of potential that he has. Specially considering that his fighting style is different from Ike's. He uses Aether in a different way, and no, what I saw in the cut-scenes doesn't count as Aether to me. Plus he can use lances.

Lucina's 'death' in classic mode does not trigger a Game Over, right? Chrom and the Avatar are the two heroes of the game, i'll give in that the Avatar is the one who rivals Chrom into being the rep for SSB4, although that's just for the Fire Emblem fans. For the Smash fans, Chrom is the most likely to get in.

 

[loganhogan]

Both.

Chrom is the poster boy for FE13. He technically shares the role with "Marth" but most people think of Chrom and My Avatar when they think of FE13.

That's what I was suggesting, that Chrom isn't uniquely the only one. So now that you admit that Chrom and the Avatar are the poster guys of FE13. Then why is all the consideration going for Chrom? Besides what exactly are you basing your statement of? Based on the polls most people find Lucina more memorable than Chrom.

I don't really think Chrom could be another Ike. If they do that, they would be wasting a lot of potential that he has. Specially considering that his fighting style is different from Ike's. He uses Aether in a different way, and no, what I saw in the cut-scenes doesn't count as Aether to me. Plus he can use lances.

Lucina's 'death' in classic mode does not trigger a Game Over, right? Chrom and the Avatar are the two heroes of the game, i'll give in that the Avatar is the one who rivals Chrom into being the rep for SSB4, although that's just for the Fire Emblem fans. For the Smash fans, Chrom is the most likely to get in.

Lucina can also use lances and I don't really think Lucina could be another Marth and i'm basing this on the content of the awakening. Her death may not cause a game over but she remains part of the story. I'm certainly curious why Smash fans adopted Chrom as the only possibility yet admit he's not the only main character.

 

[Deleted member]

Take my FE poll plox:

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51763efee4b0bd1609c69c04

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Lucina is more popular than Chrom.

Technically he is the only Lord of the game, for a Lord there must be 2 qualities, He is obligatory on every almost all the chapters and the other one is that his death causes Game over, My Unit fills one of these categories and Lucina fills none.

 

[ChronoBound]

Technically he is the only Lord of the game, for a Lord there must be 2 qualities, He is obligatory on every almost all the chapters and the other one is that his death causes Game over, My Unit fills one of these categories and Lucina fills none.

From those parameters, characters like Elincia and Sothe could also be qualified as lords (debateable), and Lyn in FE7 wouldn't (you said MOST chapters).

 

[Diddy Kong]

You know, I really don't like the idea of having the Tactican playable.

Manly's poll as of now:

Who are your favorite Fire Emblem Lords?

(you can choose more than one)
Marth 6%

Alm 0%

Selica 2%

Sigurd 7%

Selis 1%

Leif 2%

Roy 3%

Lyn 12%

Eliwood 4%

Hector 12%

Eirkia 7%

Ephriam 12%

Ike 13%

Micaiah 4%

Chrom 9%

Lucina 10%

Total votes: 197 Voters: 57

Spoiler

Voted for Marth, Sigurd, Roy, Lyn, Hector, Ephriam and Ike myself

Spoiler

ALSO: Roy isn't that popular it seems???

 

[FalKoopa]

ALSO: Roy isn't that popular it seems???

You know, we should wait for the poll to reach at least 500 votes before jumping to any conclusions.
200 votes is too small a sample.

However, the reason for Roy's low position on the poll can be explained on the basis that he's not a really good unit unless you're going on a ranked run, which is the tier list Chrono refers to. I believe at least half of the players do not go for ranked runs (that's the major reason why 90% of the people find Eliwood a lackluster unit in comparison to Lyn and Hector.)

Also, can you change your post colour to a lighter shade of brown? I kinda hurts my eyes on the dark background.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Yeah Eliwood is lackluster, Hector is the best and Lyn I feel is way better choice than using a regular myrmidon because of her promotion adding bows.
Edit- Here are the polls now
Here's a link: http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51763efee4b0bd1609c69c04
Who are your favorite Fire Emblem Lords?

(you can choose more than one)
Marth 9%

Alm 0%

Selica 2%

Sigurd 5%

Selis 1%

Leif 1%

Roy 3%

Lyn 12%

Eliwood 4%

Hector 12%

Eirkia 5%

Ephriam 9%

Ike 13%

Micaiah 3%

Chrom 10%

Lucina 11%

Total votes: 294 Voters: 84
I voted for Ike, Lyn, Hector, Seliph, and Lucina, no one seems to like Alm

 

[loganhogan]

Technically he is the only Lord of the game, for a Lord there must be 2 qualities, He is obligatory on every almost all the chapters and the other one is that his death causes Game over, My Unit fills one of these categories and Lucina fills none.

Technically you are incorrect. Many lords are non-obligatory units. Lyn, Hector, Ephraim, to name a few and several non lords are forced units. Avatar and Lucina being non obligatory in the story does not make them any less valuable as lords. Chrom only appears to take the obligatory role in story mode but he actually shares it with the Avatar and the game is very upfront about it. The Avatar also takes the lead in spotpass whereas he does not, the avatar is both important to the story and meant to represent the player. Much of the game focused to expand the Avatar hence they are much more involved than their beta versions of FE12. Chrom is also not as involved as the avatar to the overall goal of the game. Chrom hardly hogs that "only lord" title to himself. The only reason he's in the game is because Lucina reversed his death and in return causing a retelling of the story. Yet the bigger goal of the game was that of Avatar resisting or giving in to the assimilation of evil that their father set them on.

A second discussion i'd like to talk about is that several of the characters already in smash bros are as "second fiddle" or even less important than people claim non-Chrom lords are. Much like these characters, Lucina achieved the high popularity fan status and as a bonus she is the developers' favorite lord (between Chrom, Avatar, and her). People scraping her chances because she "looks" like a female Marth and yet ignore Chrom looking like Ike are unjustly turning a blind eye. I am aware that Lucina can easily be a costume of Marth but the same argument holds true for Chrom simply remove Ike's bandana and give him a recolor to match Chrom's palette. I strongly believe Chrom is not a necessary lock to represent Awakening. I know i'm making a large gap and comparison here, but think of Twilight Princess. Midna was the major character in that game but she was not required to transition that to smash bros. It could easily be the same case here, Marth indirectly or not is an icon of Awakening. In reality much of it was advertised because of "Marth's" return. I think that Chrom's "support" reeks of people that expect and not of people that actually like or even know him. Is his SSB fanbase an actual fanbase? And is it really justifiable to use as material to discredit the Avatar and Lucina? I believe not.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Technically you are incorrect. Many lords are non-obligatory units. Lyn, Hector, Ephraim, to name a few and several non lords are forced units. Avatar and Lucina being non obligatory in the story does not make them any less valuable as lords. Chrom only appears to take the obligatory role in story mode but he actually shares it with the Avatar and the game is very upfront about it. The Avatar also takes the lead in spotpass whereas he does not, the avatar is both important to the story and meant to represent the player. Much of the game focused to expand the Avatar hence they are much more involved than their beta versions of FE12. Chrom is also not as involved as the avatar to the overall goal of the game. Chrom hardly hogs that "only lord" title to himself. The only reason he's in the game is because Lucina reversed his death and in return causing a retelling of the story. Yet the bigger goal of the game was that of Avatar resisting or giving in to the assimilation of evil that their father set them on.

A second discussion i'd like to talk about is that several of the characters already in smash bros are as "second fiddle" or even less important than people claim non-Chrom lords are. Much like these characters, Lucina achieved the high popularity fan status and as a bonus she is the developers' favorite lord (between Chrom, Avatar, and her). People scraping her chances because she "looks" like a female Marth and yet ignore Chrom looking like Ike are unjustly turning a blind eye. I am aware that Lucina can easily be a costume of Marth but the same argument holds true for Chrom simply remove Ike's bandana and give him a recolor to match Chrom's palette. I strongly believe Chrom is not a necessary lock to represent Awakening. I know i'm making a large gap and comparison here, but think of Twilight Princess. Midna was the major character in that game but she was not required to transition that to smash bros. It could easily be the same case here, Marth indirectly or not is an icon of Awakening. In reality much of it was advertised because of "Marth's" return. I think that Chrom's "support" reeks of people that expect and not of people that actually like or even know him. Is his SSB fanbase an actual fanbase? And is it really justifiable to use as material to discredit the Avatar and Lucina? I believe not.

I agree with what you said, most people, like myself, after playing Awakening, find the avatar and Lucina far more important than chrom and they might even have a better chance than him.

 

[Jaedrik]

Hey guys, I did the poll, I voted Lucina, Marth, and Hector. I've never played a game with Hector, I don't even know what FE game he's in. I just voted for him because I saw some videos and heard some people talk about how he's their favorite, they convinced me. On second thought maybe I shouldn't have, seeing as I had no first hand experience, oh well.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I thought I would share this.

"Q) Who are the main characters of each games?
A) Here's the current list:

• FE1: Marth
• FE2: Arum and Cellica
• FE3: Marth
• FE4: Sigurd and Celice
• FE5: Leaf
• FE6: Roy
• FE7: Lyn, Eliwood and Hector
• FE8: Eirika and Ephraim
• FE9: Ike
• FE10: Micaiah and Ike
• FE11: Marth
• FE12: Marth and your Avatar
• FE13: Chrom and your Avatar

Note: The main heroes are usually of the Lord class, so some fans refer to them as just Lords."

I suppose the only reason why Lucina is not included on this list is because she can be defeated in battle without a game over and comes late in the game. But shes a lord class so it seems silly not to include her.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Hey guys, I did the poll, I voted Lucina, Marth, and Hector. I've never played a game with Hector, I don't even know what FE game he's in. I just voted for him because I saw some videos and heard some people talk about how he's their favorite, they convinced me. On second thought maybe I shouldn't have, seeing as I had no first hand experience, oh well.

He's from Fire Emblem 7 and is part of a trio of lords which are Lyn, Eliwood, and Hector, Hector is the powerhouse lord and lot people's favorite so you didn't make the wrong choice.

 

[Deleted member]

Any ideas on where else I should take the poll?
So far the results are interesting, and surprising tbh, I never expected Lyn to be tied for 2nd place, and so close to the first place spot at that.


Anyway, I wanna get a wide sample base.

I suppose Reddit and a 2nd 4chan run, are obvious choices.

Anyone got a NeoGAF and GameFAQs account who's willing to take it over there?

Serene's Forest is also worthwhile I feel...

 

[loganhogan]

Take it to Fire Emblem fansite forums, it's where the votes should matter.

 

[Deleted member]

Take it to Fire Emblem fansite forums, it's where the votes should matter.

Link to the site please?

 

[loganhogan]

The largest and most active is by far
http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php

The others are much less active but you can try this one too.
http://forums.feplanet.net/index.php

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Link to the site please?

Go to anywhere you can take it. Even 4chan and GFAQs. You need as many people's opinions as possible. The more votes you get the more accurate it will be.

 

[Deleted member]

The largest and most active is by far
http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php

The others are much less active but you can try this one too.
http://forums.feplanet.net/index.php

Thanks a bunch!

Go to anywhere you can take it. Even 4chan and GFAQs. You need as many people's opinions as possible. The more votes you get the more accurate it will be.

Absolutely! Actually 4chan is already getting in a ton of votes. Lucina's sudden rise in popularity is mainly due to them. I don't have a GFAQs account (it got banned ages ago, and I'm too lazy to make another), if you have one, would you mind posting it for me?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Thanks a bunch!


Absolutely! Actually 4chan is already getting in a ton of votes. Lucina's sudden rise in popularity is mainly due to them. I don't have a GFAQs account (it got banned ages ago, and I'm too lazy to make another), if you have one, would you mind posting it for me?

I don't have a GFAQs account either. Although you could ask Habanero or Chrono. They'd help ya!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ike and Hector are usually popular. But Ike is often regarded to as a 'Gary Stue' or a one-sided, dull character. I don't feel that about him, he's maybe always in the central, especially in FE9, but his presence is never annoying. You can tell he's liked by Intelligent Systems to. Maybe less than Marth, but he's probably the second icon of the series. Which is why I cannot see him getting replaced by Chrom. However, Awakening's massive succes mught make him a 3DS-exclusive if we have those? If Ike is still in the Wii U version, I wouldn't mather much.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, so far this poll tells us that Ike should not be removed from Smash 4, he's too damn popular in the west. He's been steadily leading the crowd.

Lucina just over took Lyn and tied with Hector for 2nd, Lyn is in 3rd place.

Anyway, I posted it on Reddit and Serene's Forest. I'm trying to post it FE Planet but I keep getting a permission error, telling me that I lack the permission to make a new thread.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Well, so far this poll tells us that Ike should not be removed from Smash 4, he's too damn popular in the west. He's been steadily leading the crowd.

Lucina just over took Lyn and tied with Hector for 2nd, Lyn is in 3rd place.

Anyway, I posted it on Reddit and Serene's Forest. I'm trying to post it FE Planet but I keep getting a permission error, telling me that I lack the permission to make a new thread.

You should post it as its own thread where more people could see it. Explain that its to gain a sample of favorite lords from a larger audience (serene's forest would just be hardcore fans). Also you explain how the mechanics of picking multiple lords make it a bit different. An example would be if everyone's second favorite lord was Hector, he would get no votes in a traditional poll despite being popular.

i guess you sorta said that in your post...

 

[Deleted member]

You should post it as its own thread where more people could see it. Explain that its to gain a sample of favorite lords from a larger audience (serene's forest would just be hardcore fans). Also you explain how the mechanics of picking multiple lords make it a bit different. An example would be if everyone's second favorite lord was Hector, he would get no votes in a traditional poll despite being popular.

i guess you sorta said that in your post...

Hahaha, did you come across my thread on that site? I did say all those things, word to word actually.

Great minds think alike my friend.

 

[Shorts]

Marth
Ike
Chrom (Marth/Ike clone)
Roy (Marth clone)
Lucina (Marth clone)

These are our biggest contenders for Fire Emblem? yaaaay....

 

[loganhogan]

Lyn is doing better than I thought.