yoshi sucks...heres why

[Kiwikomix]

Yes, it is a different game. Good call...
But the point is that the player can do good things for a "bad" character, so it really DOES depend on the plaer.

 

[King-Yoshi]

This is true to an extent, and yet other characters who aren't particularly popular like Wario, Dedede, and Donkey Kong are all miles ahead of them on that list. It's not foolproof, but there is some truth there in terms of who's got what it takes and who doesn't. Like I said, if you believe you can do better than the current yoshi mainers, by all means go do it. I encourage you.

The reason they are all high on that list is because they are all new characters with the exception of DK, so there is of course more interest to play them then some character that has been shunned for the past 2 games. With DK I don't know, but he was buffed, so maybe that had something to do with it. But since there aren't tons of players out there focusing time on Yoshi or adapting their playstyle, not many people are going to know about his moves or how to exploit them.

But IMO, Yoshi was the most buffed and upped original character from Melee. They nerfed his downair smash to a degree, but they also made his up smash in mid air better, his eggs are just as good if not better, his grab is miles ahead and easily can be turned into a chaingrab with good timing, his egg roll has priority over almost everyone, and he is 10x easier to recover when off the stage then in Melee because of the changes to the game and his egg recovery.

I would put him up against almost any character and he could do well/win with the exception of a few, but those few are owning anyway.


I have been playing Yoshi since the first game and he is 10x better in this game IMO. If you play Yoshi, your style of playing is going to be completely different then every other character because he can't jump out of his shell, he has 2 jumps, different properties etc which is why a lot of people can't play him. It is the reverse for me because I can't play any other player since I am so used to him. I will try to get a video up someday of me playing, but Yoshi definately has the potential to win if you put in the time since he is well balanced in the air, on the ground, and from a distance.

 

[missingnomaster]

Most buffed? No. That's G&W By far. Yoshi was pretty good in SSB. Much better than he is now. I don't mind not being able to jump of of my shield as much as I mind that when I roll/shield grab I can be hit before my shield is down.

Most characters seem to out-prioritize him, but characters that can beat his Uair and/or stop his eggs really hurt him.

I've also been playing Yoshi since SSB, and I thought he was better at first, but he seems bad against almost everyone. I really hate how Down B lost priority.

 

[E.G.G.M.A.N.]

The reason they are all high on that list is because they are all new characters with the exception of DK, so there is of course more interest to play them then some character that has been shunned for the past 2 games. With DK I don't know, but he was buffed, so maybe that had something to do with it. But since there aren't tons of players out there focusing time on Yoshi or adapting their playstyle, not many people are going to know about his moves or how to exploit them.

But IMO, Yoshi was the most buffed and upped original character from Melee. They nerfed his downair smash to a degree, but they also made his up smash in mid air better, his eggs are just as good if not better, his grab is miles ahead and easily can be turned into a chaingrab with good timing, his egg roll has priority over almost everyone, and he is 10x easier to recover when off the stage then in Melee because of the changes to the game and his egg recovery.

I would put him up against almost any character and he could do well/win with the exception of a few, but those few are owning anyway.


I have been playing Yoshi since the first game and he is 10x better in this game IMO. If you play Yoshi, your style of playing is going to be completely different then every other character because he can't jump out of his shell, he has 2 jumps, different properties etc which is why a lot of people can't play him. It is the reverse for me because I can't play any other player since I am so used to him. I will try to get a video up someday of me playing, but Yoshi definately has the potential to win if you put in the time since he is well balanced in the air, on the ground, and from a distance.

I have been playing playing Yoshi since the first game as well, although he is no longer my main character =). My point with DK was that even though he isn't really very popular at all, some of his potential still managed to shine through and secure him some solid tournament rep, while Yoshi has not. Basically popularity isn't everything, if Yoshi were one of the more viable contenders in the game, one would think that some crumb of his potential would emerge regardless of his (un)popularity. He currently has NO recorded tournament wins according to Ankoku's list, which is a big strike against any claims to his potential. You'd have to really hit something big in terms of ATs before anyone can say that Yoshi is "good" (and I use the term loosely).

 

[old king coal]

yoshi sucks. you can be good with yoshi, but it is much harder than with other characters, who also have more potencial. sorry kiwi but deep down you know it

 

[pidgey14]

Yes, Old King Coal. i think we heard your opinion the first time.

 

[Magus-Cie]

Fawriel, what does your sig say?

yoshi sucks. you can be good with yoshi, but it is much harder than with other characters, who also have more potencial. sorry kiwi but deep down you know it

Firstly, Brawl really is too new to get a definite feel for who is good and who isn't. After months of saying that Ganon is low tier, people are saying he could be low-mid tier instead of one of the worst simply because the way everyone else is starting to play, Ganon's powershield + punish strategy works. Now think of what someone with good projectiles and an abusable amount of SA frames could do...

 

[-PM-]

Im strongly convinced that either half the people posting on this thread are either stupid and play the game casually and try to post or their just bad. Yoshi is not a good character, this coming from a Yoshi main. He isn't the worst character in the game in my opinion but he isn't like good. All his matchups are bad. He can get gimped. Everything good about him SOMEONE does better. With characters like MK, Snake, Wolf, G&W, and other characters who have WAY more potential then Yoshi how could anyone think he is a good character.

Now I am almost positive that in 3 years either brawl will die out or Yoshi will still be at the bottom of the tier list and considered one of the worst characters in the game. Even the simple fact that he is a cartoon dinosaur leads people away from playing him. Most people would prefer a bad *** Toon Link, even Gannon happens to look way more cool in the long run then Yoshi does. I will admit Yoshi is cute but he is does not draw most character to play him.

Despite what people say about the move set we all know that a campy G&W just using the turtle and his fire can beat 80% of the Yoshi players on here. They know that too. Have you ever played against a wolf? You know the ones that spam Blaster and Forward Smash. Well imagine of they were good and not spamming that, pretty much what im saying is go up to Germ and play him if you in ill give you 20$ because that is a really hard thing to do. Lets name another one Brdy, go play his meta if you manage to take him down you might be some kind of god because the odds are so badly stacked on you it almost makes no sense.

I'm not sitting here ranting about how ****ty Yoshi is. In fact I love Yoshi he's been my favorite character since 64 came out and since then lets face it he's gotten worse and worse. Only a very few handful of people were good with him in Melee and they knew he was a bad character.

I'm really tired of the posts that go on about Yoshi being good. He hasn't been good in 7 years. Lets not throw the balloons around yet people because the games only been out for a few months. Give it a year and if Yoshi Somehow makes it to med on the tier list you can call me a lier.

 

[Ch0zen0ne]

Don't get me wrong.. but i'm going to have to ask you if you think Yoshi is considered a bad character b/c the rest of the cast is better or because he has a crappy moveset...

and btw..

G&W's turtle beats 80% of the cast.. not JUST yoshi...

 

[fkacyan]

Don't get me wrong.. but i'm going to have to ask you if you think Yoshi is considered a bad character b/c the rest of the cast is better or because he has a crappy moveset...

and btw..

G&W's turtle beats 80% of the cast.. not JUST yoshi...

I'd say he's bad because he obviously doesn't win, but you weren't asking me, so it's k.

 

[Ch0zen0ne]

Lol.. well Yoshi isn't my main... and when Tourney results are posted they don't [generally] put each smasher's counterpicks....

 

[KosukeKGA]

I don't care what anyone says. My friend loves Yoshi so... so will I. >_> Because I do too!

Think Sliq and his Ganondorf. Yeah, that's what I'm feeling.

At least Yoshi ***** Wario on flat stages.

 

[King-Yoshi]

Most buffed? No. That's G&W By far. Yoshi was pretty good in SSB. Much better than he is now. I don't mind not being able to jump of of my shield as much as I mind that when I roll/shield grab I can be hit before my shield is down.

Most characters seem to out-prioritize him, but characters that can beat his Uair and/or stop his eggs really hurt him.

I've also been playing Yoshi since SSB, and I thought he was better at first, but he seems bad against almost everyone. I really hate how Down B lost priority.

Yoshi is 10x better then he was in past games.

1. Egg Jump negates his lack of a third jump
2. Egg roll has a sh*t load of priority
3. Has long range attacks and close range attacks with a lot of priority
4. He can basically do a ghetto chaingrab if you time it right on any character.

G & W was pretty buffed from SSBM and maybe the most buffed character, but he was buffed with mostly the turtle and priority and he was still a good character in Melee, just not enough people played him to find out. Yoshi maybe the most buffed overrall though.

I have been playing playing Yoshi since the first game as well, although he is no longer my main character =). My point with DK was that even though he isn't really very popular at all, some of his potential still managed to shine through and secure him some solid tournament rep, while Yoshi has not. Basically popularity isn't everything, if Yoshi were one of the more viable contenders in the game, one would think that some crumb of his potential would emerge regardless of his (un)popularity. He currently has NO recorded tournament wins according to Ankoku's list, which is a big strike against any claims to his potential. You'd have to really hit something big in terms of ATs before anyone can say that Yoshi is "good" (and I use the term loosely).

The fact is, that most players are not playing him, so to find things that can be exploited or used by him is hard to come by, so Yoshi players are short on knowledge unlike Metaknight or PIT players. And a lot of people have seen potential in Yoshi because of his grab, but he will always be a character shunned anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

I am not saying Yoshi players are going to win tournaments, but he could easily be placed in the top middle of the characters if the player is good with him and also the fact that not many people play against Yoshi is a plus.

 

[-PM-]

Don't get me wrong.. but i'm going to have to ask you if you think Yoshi is considered a bad character b/c the rest of the cast is better or because he has a crappy moveset...

and btw..

G&W's turtle beats 80% of the cast.. not JUST yoshi...

Yoshi is bad. It's not just his move set actually he has a good moveset its everyone else having something that can destroy him.

Yoshi is 10x better then he was in past games.

1. Egg Jump negates his lack of a third jump
2. Egg roll has a sh*t load of priority
3. Has long range attacks and close range attacks with a lot of priority
4. He can basically do a ghetto chaingrab if you time it right on any character.

G & W was pretty buffed from SSBM and maybe the most buffed character, but he was buffed with mostly the turtle and priority and he was still a good character in Melee, just not enough people played him to find out. Yoshi maybe the most buffed overrall though.



The fact is, that most players are not playing him, so to find things that can be exploited or used by him is hard to come by, so Yoshi players are short on knowledge unlike Metaknight or PIT players. And a lot of people have seen potential in Yoshi because of his grab, but he will always be a character shunned anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

I am not saying Yoshi players are going to win tournaments, but he could easily be placed in the top middle of the characters if the player is good with him and also the fact that not many people play against Yoshi is a plus.

we should play sometime =P

 

[old king coal]

Im strongly convinced that either half the people posting on this thread are either stupid and play the game casually and try to post or their just bad. Yoshi is not a good character, this coming from a Yoshi main. He isn't the worst character in the game in my opinion but he isn't like good. All his matchups are bad. He can get gimped. Everything good about him SOMEONE does better. With characters like MK, Snake, Wolf, G&W, and other characters who have WAY more potential then Yoshi how could anyone think he is a good character.

Now I am almost positive that in 3 years either brawl will die out or Yoshi will still be at the bottom of the tier list and considered one of the worst characters in the game. Even the simple fact that he is a cartoon dinosaur leads people away from playing him. Most people would prefer a bad *** Toon Link, even Gannon happens to look way more cool in the long run then Yoshi does. I will admit Yoshi is cute but he is does not draw most character to play him.

Despite what people say about the move set we all know that a campy G&W just using the turtle and his fire can beat 80% of the Yoshi players on here. They know that too. Have you ever played against a wolf? You know the ones that spam Blaster and Forward Smash. Well imagine of they were good and not spamming that, pretty much what im saying is go up to Germ and play him if you in ill give you 20$ because that is a really hard thing to do. Lets name another one Brdy, go play his meta if you manage to take him down you might be some kind of god because the odds are so badly stacked on you it almost makes no sense.

I'm not sitting here ranting about how ****ty Yoshi is. In fact I love Yoshi he's been my favorite character since 64 came out and since then lets face it he's gotten worse and worse. Only a very few handful of people were good with him in Melee and they knew he was a bad character.

I'm really tired of the posts that go on about Yoshi being good. He hasn't been good in 7 years. Lets not throw the balloons around yet people because the games only been out for a few months. Give it a year and if Yoshi Somehow makes it to med on the tier list you can call me a lier.

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the yoshi is a lie

 

[Fawriel]

I'll just say this: Please stop citing the Egg Roll as a major improvement. It's still a mostly useless move that only gains decent priority when it's at full speed, at which point your opponent should be well ready to shield if they aren't the kind who use Ike's FSmash when their opponent is at the other side of the stage.
Instead of looking at tiny little improvements like that, try looking at the really important aspects: What does Yoshi have to KO opponents, and how was his KO-ability improved? It wasn't.

...not to mention that comparing 0-death-combo-SSB64-Yoshi to Brawl's Yoshi is a ludicrous task in and of itself.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Yoshi's always been good. Just a strange sort of good.

In 64, he was tank + priority **** + combos out his @$$ + amazing recovery + shield destroyer + projectile ***** (I want 64 eggs back NOW). In 64, he was good because everyone was good (except Link, and even then, he wasn't that bad...maybe).

In Melee, he was tank + combos yeayuhz! + heavy mindgamer + gimper + various other utility roles (very good CC, aerial CC, great projectile, move versatility). In Melee, he was good because he was balanced (which few characters were) and because he could 0-death most of his "bad" matchups with relative ease after he got the first hit in. He had amazing shield tricks and could fend off most attacks with enough tech skill. He was "bad" in Melee because 1] Sheik CG'd him up until 2006, 2] his true tech skill hadn't been revealed until maybe late 2005, 3] he could be easily camped, 4] nobody good in the United States used him in tournament as anything but a joke character, and 5] because balance in Melee meant you were a bad character (and before anyone argues, this is just true, so don't even bother).

In Brawl, his roles have completely changed. I think the only real constant he's had going into Brawl is that he's still a combo machine. He edgeguards pretty well, but overall, his survivability has been crushed because of the new weight scaling (I've only been able to pull off early- and mid-200% stocks). Is he still good? I think he is. He's get versatility to an extent and all of his moves are really good. The only true move nerfs I think he got were to up tilt and forward smash. Of course, with Snake and Meta Knight, everyone's definition of "good" becomes skewed--and rightfully so. My definitions would skew if all I dealt with were moves that were, in the true sense of the phrase, too good.

Anyway, to answer your questio--er, I guess you never had a question.

Hm.

I guess all I'm saying is Yoshi's good, always has been, just has never had anything broken that he could abuse, so he was "bad" in the sense that most mor--er, people, look at the game.

you know yoshi was trash i melee and you know hes trash now just give it up
p.s. im trolling everyone on the site that i know in person

 

[Ch0zen0ne]

So i totally played Yoshi in melee this morning and i realized that Fumi would be proud

 

[Gindler]

Fumi would've always been proud of me, on a good day.

 

[Shiri]

you know yoshi was trash i melee and you know hes trash now just give it up
p.s. im trolling everyone on the site that i know in person

Bowser v. Doc money match?

What's that? You don't want to? Are you sure? Come on, it'll be fun.

 

[pidgey14]

you know yoshi was trash i melee and you know hes trash now just give it up
p.s. im trolling everyone on the site that i know in person

Then can you please do us all a favour and stop it. It is so immature and proves nothing

 

[King-Yoshi]

I'll just say this: Please stop citing the Egg Roll as a major improvement. It's still a mostly useless move that only gains decent priority when it's at full speed, at which point your opponent should be well ready to shield if they aren't the kind who use Ike's FSmash when their opponent is at the other side of the stage.

The point of the egg roll isn't always to damage your opponent, but to make him attack, for it to be blocked by priority (you don't even have to be at half speed for this priority), and then for you to tail swipe him or kick him after his attack has failed. You would know this if you played Yoshi. That is a major improvement and helps with offense. The egg roll is still a good move for getting away too and then confusing your opponent by going forward, back, stopping, etc.

Instead of looking at tiny little improvements like that, try looking at the really important aspects: What does Yoshi have to KO opponents, and how was his KO-ability improved? It wasn't.

...not to mention that comparing 0-death-combo-SSB64-Yoshi to Brawl's Yoshi is a ludicrous task in and of itself.

His KO moves are still some of the best in the game, if not one of the best of the characters ingame without a sword.

-His upward tail swipe in air.

-His down smash (was nerfed a little cus the game is more floaty, but not much)

-Tail Swipe with a slight charge

-Up B Headbutt

-Over B Headbutt

-His flutter kicks when the opponent is off the edge. You can basically gimp an opponent with this.

 

[Fawriel]

His KO moves are still some of the best in the game, if not one of the best of the characters ingame without a sword.

-His upward tail swipe in air.

-His down smash (was nerfed a little cus the game is more floaty, but not much)

-Tail Swipe with a slight charge

-Up B Headbutt

-Over B Headbutt

-His flutter kicks when the opponent is off the edge. You can basically gimp an opponent with this.

Err. What?

-Uair is a good move, yes, though there are uairs with better knockback and uairs are hard to hit with in general.

-Downsmash was nerfed a TON. It killed well below 100% in Melee! What's the minimum for a KO in Brawl, 140 right at the edge of the stage? That's subpar.

-"Tail Swipe"? You mean the downsmash again?

-Up "B"? I suppose you mean the upsmash. Its speed is good, its power is mediocre. If you don't believe me, look here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=156908&highlight=project+vertical

-The side-smash is slow and has little range. I don't know about its knockback, but it's very hard to hit with, which automatically makes it subpar.

-Flutter kick's spiking ability was nerfed, though you can follow up with a footstool, I guess. Except spiking is much harder now anyway because you'll rarely find a character recovering low enough.


... this is not "hating", by the way. I'm just saying it how it is.

 

[Scala]

Right now he's going to be considered a terrible character but the strength of his attacks isn't usually an issue with yoshi. He abuses super-armor everywhere constantly putting the opponent at limbo while pumping out damaging smashes rather consistently.

Also, it's too early to really judge yoshi's playability. He has a lot of physics behaviourisms that have been found out that only he can perform that give him an edge in a lot of situations. It'll take longer to find them all than with the other characters since he is simply an unpopular character (probably due to his weakness in previous games). Once his game develops, however, he'll start earning more respect from the community, it's just going to take a while.

 

[Deleted member]

I think yoshi will be able to become lower mid tier. He actually has decent matchups with almost all high/top tier characters, and thats important, especially since many characters considered better than him have worse matchups with the high tiers.

Also i just discovered how badly dair ***** big characters on stage. If a D3 shields the whole thing, his shield turns into a tiny little bubble and at the end it shield stab him. Dair is like my new favorite move.

 

[Scala]

lol yeah, doesn't dair do something insane like 40+ if you hit the entire thing. It's not too difficult to pull that off on the larger characters.

 

[Sharky]

I'd like to see what happens to Yoshi's popularity once these new at's get noticed by the general public. I know more people started using him in melee once they realized his technical potential. With Superjumping and Dragonic Reverse, I'm hopeful that a second coming of that occurs. =)

 

[bigman40]

I'm pretty sure it's going to happen. There are quite a bit of yoshi mainers online (yeah, there). With all the techs Yoshi is getting, people will start wanting to play him. Heck, he's the only one that can WD in brawl :D

 

[Gindler]

Err. What?

-Uair is a good move, yes, though there are uairs with better knockback and uairs are hard to hit with in general.

-Downsmash was nerfed a TON. It killed well below 100% in Melee! What's the minimum for a KO in Brawl, 140 right at the edge of the stage? That's subpar.

-"Tail Swipe"? You mean the downsmash again?

-Up "B"? I suppose you mean the upsmash. Its speed is good, its power is mediocre. If you don't believe me, look here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=156908&highlight=project+vertical

-The side-smash is slow and has little range. I don't know about its knockback, but it's very hard to hit with, which automatically makes it subpar.

-Flutter kick's spiking ability was nerfed, though you can follow up with a footstool, I guess. Except spiking is much harder now anyway because you'll rarely find a character recovering low enough.


... this is not "hating", by the way. I'm just saying it how it is.

I think 1 Uair has better knockback...bowser's, maybe snakes but yoshi's is alot faster and doing a rising one is unexpected. I wouldn't say it's hard to hit with since I get at least 1 kill (usually 2) every match with this move (except against lucario of course, stupid overpowered Dair =P)

True Dsmash isn't nearly as destructive as it was in melee, but it seems to be faster and is alot cuter than it was

yeah, tail swipe?

up B? he must use a classic controller or something

Sidesmash is a dodge and hit attack since he leans back, its like spot dodging and punishing only faster, and the knockback is really good on this move

I used to get alot of kills with flutter kick to footstool, but for some reason that has stopped, might be since I like using rising Fairs now



Oh and I still can't get dragonic reverse to work therefore making my yoshi subpar to the rest of yalls.

 

[Airwalkerr]

Meh. He may not be the best, but I disagree that he's the worst. Upper low tier, IMO. Def. better than C-Falcon, G-Dorf, Sonic, Jigglypuff and Shiek. Just my opinion

 

[-PM-]

Err. What?

-Uair is a good move, yes, though there are uairs with better knockback and uairs are hard to hit with in general.

-Downsmash was nerfed a TON. It killed well below 100% in Melee! What's the minimum for a KO in Brawl, 140 right at the edge of the stage? That's subpar.

-"Tail Swipe"? You mean the downsmash again?

-Up "B"? I suppose you mean the upsmash. Its speed is good, its power is mediocre. If you don't believe me, look here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=156908&highlight=project+vertical

-The side-smash is slow and has little range. I don't know about its knockback, but it's very hard to hit with, which automatically makes it subpar.

-Flutter kick's spiking ability was nerfed, though you can follow up with a footstool, I guess. Except spiking is much harder now anyway because you'll rarely find a character recovering low enough.


... this is not "hating", by the way. I'm just saying it how it is.

The only really good moves to kill with are Fsmash which doesn have more range then marth's fsmash, kirbys fsmash, hell even bowsers fsmash. His fair kills at a pretty good percent too. Lets not forget the grounded down b which will kill almost anything at 120%ish

I'm pretty sure it's going to happen. There are quite a bit of yoshi mainers online (yeah, there). With all the techs Yoshi is getting, people will start wanting to play him. Heck, he's the only one that can WD in brawl :D

lol gay =P

 

[ducky285]

Heck, he's the only one that can WD in brawl :D

That we know of, that is. With new stuff being discovered all the time, you never know.

 

[Gindler]

Ha, why's this thread still alive? The guy couldn't even think of one good reason for yoshi sucking.

 

[King-Yoshi]

Err. What?

-Uair is a good move, yes, though there are uairs with better knockback and uairs are hard to hit with in general.

Negative. His Uair is probably his second or best kill move pain and simple. It doesn't look like it hits hard at all, but it is easy to kill with.

-Downsmash was nerfed a TON. It killed well below 100% in Melee! What's the minimum for a KO in Brawl, 140 right at the edge of the stage? That's subpar.

No, it can definately kill at 100% if you time it right and catch your opponent off guard.

7:05 of this vid proves it, computer or not.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n8Bc7u55hgo

-"Tail Swipe"? You mean the downsmash again?

It is called a tails swipe, down A I believe.

-Up "B"? I suppose you mean the upsmash. Its speed is good, its power is mediocre. If you don't believe me, look here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=156908&highlight=project+vertical

I don't need to see, I killed a pretty good Falco with it the other day when he was coming back on the ledge. It is another killing move and it is not based on speed, it is based on charging it and timing it lol. Now I know you don't play Yoshi. The whole point of Yoshi is to lure those opponents into those kind of charging moves when they are at low percentages or even high ones.

-The side-smash is slow and has little range. I don't know about its knockback, but it's very hard to hit with, which automatically makes it subpar.

BS. The reason most people are turned off from Yoshi is because their timing sucks. If your timing sucks, don't expect to be good at Yoshi. His side-smash is just as good as his upsmash.

-Flutter kick's spiking ability was nerfed, though you can follow up with a footstool, I guess. Except spiking is much harder now anyway because you'll rarely find a character recovering low enough.

You don't need to kill with it, when an opponent is recovering, especially Ike or characters who have to boost up when they jump, it is easy damage and you can gimp with it if you footstool.

... this is not "hating", by the way. I'm just saying it how it is.

No, because it is obvious you are not a good Yoshi player. The reason why Yoshi gets a bad rep is because his learning curve is so steep and not everyone gets it. Put up a vid of you playing and we will see. I will try to get up a vid of me playing him as well.

This vid proves he is technical too and I use most of these techniques.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n8Bc7u55hgo

 

[King-Yoshi]

I think 1 Uair has better knockback...bowser's, maybe snakes but yoshi's is alot faster and doing a rising one is unexpected. I wouldn't say it's hard to hit with since I get at least 1 kill (usually 2) every match with this move (except against lucario of course, stupid overpowered Dair =P)

True Dsmash isn't nearly as destructive as it was in melee, but it seems to be faster and is alot cuter than it was

yeah, tail swipe?

up B? he must use a classic controller or something

Yea, sorry I don't search and am on these forums all day to know what every attack is called. I just play the game.

Sidesmash is a dodge and hit attack since he leans back, its like spot dodging and punishing only faster, and the knockback is really good on this move

I don't use it as a dodge. I trick my opponents into it when they recover from the edge or the air. Like I said, if your timing sucks, you are not going to be good at Yoshi.

I used to get alot of kills with flutter kick to footstool, but for some reason that has stopped, might be since I like using rising Fairs now

Flutter kicks are good for hittign your opponent from your own recovery or other instances, but Yoshi doesn't need it as a main kill move.

Oh and I still can't get dragonic reverse to work therefore making my yoshi subpar to the rest of yalls.

 

[Evilpenguin]

I don't main Yoshi, but I saw this thread and I'll add in my two cents.

1. Yoshi doesn't suck... he's just below average. People have called him unplayable. They are wrong. Yoshi can be played good enough to compete in tournaments.

2. My biggest problem with Yoshi is the ability of Lucas, Fox, Yoshi, and Kirby (and others maybe?) to break his super armor with their Dairs. The first hit of the dair breaks the super armor, and the remaining hits have enough downwards knockback to kill Yoshi usually. If you don't believe me, try it.

But all in all, YOSHI DOESN'T SUCK!

 

[Deleted member]

King yoshi, your the one the sounds like a noob. Dsmash doesnt kill at 100 unless ur opponent kills themself. Time it right? Wtf. His down tilt (down a), doesnt kill at all. Wow...luring them into charged moves... mindgamez son? Seriously King yoshi, i dont want to put down your skills, but dont claim you are good, go search the forums, learn some yoshi techniques, play some good people on Allisbrawl.com , and then once you know about competative smash some, come back. Itll help u not look like you are bad, because frankly, thats what it looks like. Cut all this timing crap, and stop hatin of Fawrial for telling you how good moves are, u should be listening to him or at least giving good arguments as to why he is incorrect and not just saying he is bad and his timing isnt good =/ That is all.

 

[Fawriel]

Negative. His Uair is probably his second or best kill move pain and simple. It doesn't look like it hits hard at all, but it is easy to kill with.

As I said, it's a good move.

No, it can definately kill at 100% if you time it right and catch your opponent off guard.

7:05 of this vid proves it, computer or not.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n8Bc7u55hgo

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Dude, that's a fair. Not a dsmash. You should really get the terminology down.

It is called a tails swipe, down A I believe.

"Tail swipe" refers to the dtilt, I think. Dtilts also cannot be charged. And... now I have no idea anymore which time you referred to which. Ah well. Everything else has been said by burntsocks.

And I'll admit that I'm not a good Yoshi player. Mostly because, well, I don't have the game yet. I've got all my knowledge from reading up on stuff and watching videos of good players. Sure, that means I don't have any firsthand experience, but it also means I'm objective.


That said, I didn't know Yoshi had a form of wavedashing when I last posted. If this technique can be perfected, his approach and KO game would be improved enough to give him a solid place in the lower mid-tier, I think. Good luck with that, guys.

 

[Meta Dude]

dsmash doesn't KO until ~176%.

 

[bigman40]

Wrong, Dsmash can KO at 150-170.

His Fsmash is decent. That's it. Most moves come out instantenously, or have huge range to sub the lag time. Yoshi doesn't have the range to sub it.

Usmash is used too many times to have consistent knockback and power. Plus, it doesn't kill at 100%