YESZ! It's Captain Falcon! (B+)

[Plum]

SHFF Nair so only first hit hits, grab.
Been here since vBrawl, and I don't see enough people abusing it.

 

[HeroFalcon7]

Can someone post a link to the most recent Brawl + Falcon vids? Is there a vid tread already for this?

 

[V-K]

Hey is his knee still bad?

 

[HeroFalcon7]

As in Brawl bad? No. Its gotten better as in every time you want to land it, you WILL.

 

[V-K]

You mean like in Melee? Sweet!

Well now I just have to get a NTSC Brawl copy lol

 

[Andarel]

As in Brawl bad? No. Its gotten better as in every time you want to land it, you WILL.

If that knee worked as described...

*game starts*

I want to land knee!

Opponent is kneed.

^ -- Repeat previous two lines until opponent dies. Repeat multiple times until game ends.


But yeah, considering there are actually ways to land it now...it's gotten significantly more useful. Like, it's reliable now, which is the main thing.

 

[Revven]

You mean like in Melee? Sweet!

No it's not like Melee, it still works like Brawl, the only thing changed about it is that it doesn't kill as early as it used to so it isn't Falcon's end all be all KO move (it's still a good KO move though regardless).

If it was anything like Melee, that would be overbuffing Falcon. If you want Melee Knee, I think Melee 2.0 is for you.

 

[GreenFox]

With jab cancelling should you do just one punch or 2 punches before cancelling?

Also about the knee It has better setups and a back hitbox but it still isn't as hard as brawls to land but alot easier than melees it also has better kill power than brawls but not like melees

 

[goodoldganon]

Knee is the aerial combo finisher it was always meant to be. Not the 'all encompassing man fest move' from Melee.

 

[V-K]

No it's not like Melee, it still works like Brawl, the only thing changed about it is that it doesn't kill as early as it used to so it isn't Falcon's end all be all KO move (it's still a good KO move though regardless).

If it was anything like Melee, that would be overbuffing Falcon. If you want Melee Knee, I think Melee 2.0 is for you.

Melee 2.0?
Where can I find that?

 

[Sulfur]

Melee 2.0?
Where can I find that?

It's not released to the public yet, and you can find it here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=260812&page=1

 

[Veril]

Knee is the aerial combo finisher it was always meant to be. Not the 'all encompassing man fest move' from Melee.

This. The knee is an incredible move in brawl+.

 

[HeroFalcon7]

May you guys please tell me what changes where made to Falcon from the 5.0 version to the 6.0 version that just came out? Or a link please.

 

[HeroFalcon7]

Well, I have playing a lot of Falcon and I can say that he reminds me of Melee Falcon except for the better recovery and buffs given to him. Someone want to discuss match ups?

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

Sheik match up feels similiar to the Melee Match Up.

She edgeguards the hell out of you. Her Ftilt seems to **** approaches. But she's the perfect weight to combo the hell out of.

Zelda kinda destroys Falcon, imo.

What match ups imparticular are you looking into though?

 

[HeroFalcon7]

Well, we used to play melee alot back then maining the same characters. I agree with you on the Shiek vs Falcon. Feels similar in strategy. However with Shiek lossing the superior dthrow from melee I dont feel as threatened. Same with her fair KB nerf. I usually die in the 150% and higher in this matchup. Plus with Falcons better recovery it isnt as easy to get gimped. Jusy grab them with it at the right time and you might even get a kill.
As for combos on Sheik, pretty much everything from Melee works and then some more with ones like FFNeutralA into upB.

On the Zelda matchup I pretty much abuse dthrow-knee like on the floaties. Same thing carries from melee for combos on Zelda. She got buffed for the better. Her upsmash and dtilt are the things to look for as they will all juggle Falcon in combos. Never approach her from the top and bait the dtilt with dashdancing mindgames. Once they wiff dtilt they usually try it again back to back since they think you might ground approach from your dashdance. Make her eat a SHFF dair into combo heaven at this point.

 

[Bandit]

Zelda Nair > Falcon

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

Jiggs can't rest our DThrow > Knee attempts in Plus can she?

 

[Veril]

Jiggs can't rest our DThrow > Knee attempts in Plus can she?

If you perfectly execute this combo within the correct % window, no, she can't. At mid % she can't escape at all.

Sloppy comboing will get you rested though.

 

[HeroFalcon7]

Zeldas Nair is a good crossover move on her part to avoid a shieldgrab but I never really have trouble against it. Close range I tend to jab them out of SH and air to air SHFF Upairs seem to win out which lead to combos. A large part of the Zeldas game is stuffing Falcons approaches with Upsmash. Um, besides that dtilt at high% on Falcon leads to upsmash or even better Uptilt. SH spaced Nairs against her may get you punished by her Fsmash.
Besides that my fav thing on Zelda is to Falcon Punch her recovery. Aticipation of course.

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

Anyone played a good Pit or Tink with Falcon yet? I'm curious about those match ups actually.

Jiggs match up seems annoying but do able as long as you get creative when recovering and make him really work for the gimp.

 

[kr3wman]

tink is all about getting in and not falling for projectile setups. There's nothing really character specific about him, he kills you off the top most of the time so be ready for that.

 

[blueriku]

Zelda Nair > Falcon

That wont work if expected, approaching with Nair as Zelda is a risk that can be punished by falcon. If the falcon player expects it and does something like SHFF upair or even the knee. u could easily be knocked out of it. Zelda is a defensive character and when she approaches for any reason it should be with a safe move, however i do agree that her Nair is a really good move to use. Nair against most of the cast is fine but, certain char. like falcon u have to be careful. U can still use it as much as u want but, u can let the player expect it since that would = death. Falcon as a character in general is a double edge sword he can punish is great reward but he can get punished to no end if played wrong.

 

[Veril]

Zelda's best approach is her down-b ;p

She wrecks Falcon though.

 

[blueriku]

Zelda's best approach is her down-b ;p

She wrecks Falcon though.

QFT lol zelda can still beat falcon sheik though can **** anything.

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

Can we still instant walljump from the ledge like in Melee? CStick away intiates a Ledge Attack now and I'm having a ton of trouble doing it.

Although I assume it can be done since I used to do it with ZSS in vBrawl.

:-/

 

[bleyva]

Zelda's best approach is her down-b ;p

She wrecks Falcon though.

a WOMAN can wreck falcon? that just aint right

 

[GHNeko]

a WOMAN can wreck falcon? that just aint right

Been like that since Melee, bro.

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

So not even a yeah it's totally doable?

 

[Bandit]

That wont work if expected, approaching with Nair as Zelda is a risk that can be punished by falcon. If the falcon player expects it and does something like SHFF upair or even the knee. u could easily be knocked out of it. Zelda is a defensive character and when she approaches for any reason it should be with a safe move, however i do agree that her Nair is a really good move to use. Nair against most of the cast is fine but, certain char. like falcon u have to be careful. U can still use it as much as u want but, u can let the player expect it since that would = death. Falcon as a character in general is a double edge sword he can punish is great reward but he can get punished to no end if played wrong.

You haven't experienced the new Nair in its full force then.

*retreats to the shadows*

 

[KOkingpin]

Been like that since Melee, bro.

this guy has jokes.

 

[blueriku]

You haven't experienced the new Nair in its full force then.

*retreats to the shadows*

Oh i have trust, but what i am saying is one move cant own a char unless that player is stupid.
N air is a leet move and sets up for a lot its. utility is very usefully but, a smart falcon as well as any smart player can learn to adapt and work around it. A friend of mine i play against mains Falcon and he finds ways to get around n-air, why? because hes a competent play and never does stupid things therefore i have to re think my approach and my use of Zelda.

 

[Bandit]

Oh i have trust, but what i am saying is one move cant own a char unless that player is stupid.
N air is a leet move and sets up for a lot its. utility is very usefully but, a smart falcon as well as any smart player can learn to adapt and work around it. A friend of mine i play against mains Falcon and he finds ways to get around n-air, why? because hes a competent play and never does stupid things therefore i have to re think my approach and my use of Zelda.

I'm pretty much half-trolling and half-serious. Nair counters a lot of his approaches and is a safer approach in its own right. It's a heavily used move because it is quicker than Fsmash which you need due to Captain Falcon's speed.

 

[BEES]

I need some help with the Falcon/DK matchup. I can't seem to win this matchup at all with Falcon and it really bothers me.

 

[KOkingpin]

I need some help with the Falcon/DK matchup. I can't seem to win this matchup at all with Falcon and it really bothers me.

well for one you have to learn to use DK's size against him. Out of just about any hit (that could lead into knee) DK is knee food. BUT if the DK player is Smart he will just space you with Bair and its really hard to approach DK when he is doing this. Just be patient and dont let him grab you. Punish when he wiffs a grab. DK's Tilts are really good too. Upward angled FTilt is a short hop killer and Up tilt is a combo machine (like most Up tilts) Dtilt is good and quick and can trip. Jab cancel grabs stop him cold for the most part.

Note that Falcon has some of the strongest hitstun (when getting hit) in the game. So DK can setup just about anything from Fair spike. Avoid getting hit with this while on the ground at all cost. It usually means a stock is gone if he has donkey punch ready.

 

[blueriku]

I'm pretty much half-trolling and half-serious. Nair counters a lot of his approaches and is a safer approach in its own right. It's a heavily used move because it is quicker than Fsmash which you need due to Captain Falcon's speed.

heh falcon's speed can be pretty scary, sometimes it can get tough if you don't anticipate when falcon will attack or not. falcon can bait really well, but N-air is safe for the most part if used right so if their is an approach from falcon if will make that player think twice.

 

[Big Burn]

just got brawl + yesterday... it was such a relief that falcon was actually playable... pretty fun

 

[GHNeko]

I played Roy_R in Brawl+ yesterday.

My god I had so much fun.

 

[BG3]

I played Roy_R in Brawl+ yesterday.

My god I had so much fun.

Did he play Falcon? And if yes, what did he think of him in Brawl+?

 

[GHNeko]

He played Falcon, and he thought it was really fun.

You should of seen the look on his face.

And the matches went by so fast. even with me living to like 170%+s

4 mins tops.

Melee players are the best at B+