! WORLD SMASH HIP-HOP ! Rap/HipHop/R&B/ Discussion Thread (explicit warning)

[IAmBlu3]

@Jane how do you enjoy the ganja and not listen Mr. Marley?

....i don't listen to marley either.....nor reggae, really. i like a few songs. just never get around to listening to him.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I too haven't listened to enough producers to really make a list. I really like Madlib and Dilla though, they're my favorites.

Also which one of you is Champ Gallagher on FB?

 

[IAmBlu3]

dilla's top ten. madlib....probably not. right now, i'm about to check out bomb squad. some lists have them as top five. gotta check them out.

 

[soap]

who did madlib produce for again?

 

[IAmBlu3]

mf doom i think. never been a fan of either, tho.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

He produces for MF Doom (Madvillain), Kweli (Liberation), worked with Dilla (Jaylib), some De La Soul, some Ghostface, and a bunch of other people. He's more underground/alternative rap than a lot of other producers. Signed to Stones Throw. Really underrated imo.

 

[KrazyGlue]

10th? yikes. people definitely sleeping on Kanye

I totally agree with you when you say music is subjective, so I'm not gonna say you're objectively wrong. That said, there's a lot of amazing producers to consider when making a best all-time list. 10th shouldn't be a shocking number, I'm being generous. Most people have him somewhere between 15th and 20th from most lists I've seen.

Aside from the 5 I mentioned, these are other producers I would put above Kanye:

-Large Professor
-J Dilla
-Rick Rubin
-Prince Paul

And those are all for sure. I'd also think about Hi-Tek, Marley Marl, The Neptunes, and Eric Sermon, just to name a few. There's a lot to consider.

 

[IAmBlu3]

i'd take out prince paul and put erick sermon at that spot. i think way too many people forget or are just unaware of other producers existing. kanye in top 10 is understandable but not absolute.

 

[KrazyGlue]

I respect Kool Moe Dee as a rapper, but he has a ****ty idea of who's the best at the business.

http://slumz.boxden.com/f87/50-greatest-mcs-all-time-kool-mo-dee-controversial-587782/

Melle Mel #1?
Big Pun at 41 with Fat Joe at 46?
Slick Rick at 40?!
Doug E Fresh at 36? Above Pun and Slick Rick?!?!?!?
No Big L? No Eminem?
Treach #16?
Himself #5, and Grandmaster Caz #6?
Queen Latifa above Tupac?! And Kool G Rap?! And Jay Z?!
Lauryn Hill above Nas (not to mention the three above)?!
Xzibit above Common, Scarface, and Black Thought?! Oh, and Big Pun.
Lil Kim #42?
No Ghostface Killa? Method Man above GZA? Method Man above Ice Cube?!
No Andre 3000?!
No Mos Def or Talib Kweli?! (C'mon, you at least gotta have one of them)
Also notable exclusions are Masta Ace, AZ, Canibus, Cormega, DMX


I'll stop raging, because I could go on all day. Call me crazy, but any list whose top ten does not include Nas, 2pac, Scarface, Pun, Kool G Rap, or Ice Cube, but DOES include Grandmaster Caz is a liiiiitle bit wack imo. Discuss this ****.

(Lol at him being above LL Cool J. Hard feelings?! )

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Pretty terrible list imo.

GZA isn't the only Wu-Tang member, Method Man's on there.

 

[IAmBlu3]

"I took them two L's and rocked your bells" lol

fat joe made someone's top 50??

Heavy D at 25!?? haha

Mystikal is above big pun....

...i really don't now what to make of this list. seems like he just made it up as he went.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Pretty terrible list imo.

GZA isn't the only Wu-Tang member, Method Man's on there.

Yeah, haha I figured that out and edited it in.

...i really don't now what to make of this list. seems like he just made it up as he went.

Well, it's clearly got a big old school emphasis. While I respect that, some of the placements (or lack thereof) are absolutely bizarre for someone who knows so much about rap.

 

[soap]

speaking of producers...any fans of this dude?


http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=3vbZRQ645l0&feature=related

 

[Niko45]

I totally agree with you when you say music is subjective, so I'm not gonna say you're objectively wrong. That said, there's a lot of amazing producers to consider when making a best all-time list. 10th shouldn't be a shocking number, I'm being generous. Most people have him somewhere between 15th and 20th from most lists I've seen.

Aside from the 5 I mentioned, these are other producers I would put above Kanye:

-Large Professor
-J Dilla
-Rick Rubin
-Prince Paul

And those are all for sure. I'd also think about Hi-Tek, Marley Marl, The Neptunes, and Eric Sermon, just to name a few. There's a lot to consider.

See I was going to argue that a lot of these guys are inactive/their work is dated and won't stand the test of time. Lots of producers have classics scattered here and there (Ski on Dead Presidents?) but I don't think all these producers are going to end up with as many timeless records as Kanye will. That being said thats a very biased argument since Kanye is still producing and we haven't seen yet if he's really standing the test of time. Plus I'm not as familiar with these others' full discographies like I am with Kanye.

Sidenote, which I'm sure people are just gonna hate me more for, but I really don't care for Dilla in the slightest. I checked the guy out cause he was so hyped, and I've really just been very disappointed. I'm not a stoner, if that makes a huge difference.

I've also never seen a list that had Kanye outside of top 10, not that I care for lists.

 

[KrazyGlue]

I'm not a stoner either lol. But "best" doesn't mean "favorite". For example, Lauryn Hill and Common really aren't my favorites to listen to all the time (only sparingly), but I still respect them for what they've done.

 

[soap]

i've been checking dilla out and alot of his stuff kinda bores me too. altho there is alot of stuff i love.

he is not consistent, or rather i don't really know what to expect from him as i check out each project

 

[IAmBlu3]

i don't like dilla.....he's still top 10 or 20.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Yeah, he's ok. I mean, he's top 20 for sure. I still think he's somewhere around #10, but Eric Sermon could go there.

 

[Niko45]

I guess I see what you guys are saying. See I would never just say somebody is top 10 if I didn't like them. That seems to be a different approach than mine. In general tho I don't really approach hip hop from the producer's side. Rappers come first for me. Some people are willing to listen to Guru's wack *** all day just for the Premo (actually in that case I have, just cause Premo is that sick), but in general I just feel the quality of the rapper is more important to me so I'm not really free to speak on people like Rick Rubin and Prince Paul.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Right, I see what you're saying. The question is where do you stop putting them lower on your list because of not liking them?

Wow, this is my 107th post in this thread, more than I thought lol.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Not Yeah? That's always been my favorite song on the album.

Oh yeah, that too.

I don't know bout y'all but I know about us....

AND US, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE KNOW HOW TO ROCK!

Serin we have the same birthday.

I pointed that out some months ago in a VM :O

 

[Underload]

Okay, so, I have this thing I need help on.

I want more hip-hop in my music library.

Can you gents come together and throw a few names and albums at me? I have a tiny list of music I'm interested in, but other opinions are always nice. Thanks. I'll probably be posting my opinions on albums here, as I listen to them.

If you need some sort of grounds to base stuff off of, I really, really dig The Roots and Chiddy Bang.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Lupe Fiasco
Kid Cudi
Eminem
J. Cole
Jay-Z
uhhhh

That's it.


EDIT: Oh yeah. If you want music for the pain,

SOULJA BOIIIIII

-_-

 

[soap]

Some people are willing to listen to Guru's wack *** all day just for the Premo (actually in that case I have, just cause Premo is that sick)

loool. i agree with this somewhat.

then i realized i could just download premier instrumentals

 

[Luigitoilet]

Okay, so, I have this thing I need help on.

I want more hip-hop in my music library.

Can you gents come together and throw a few names and albums at me? I have a tiny list of music I'm interested in, but other opinions are always nice. Thanks. I'll probably be posting my opinions on albums here, as I listen to them.

If you need some sort of grounds to base stuff off of, I really, really dig The Roots and Chiddy Bang.

Check out

Common- Be
Kanye West- College Dropout, Graduation
Nas- Stillmatic
Mos Def and Talib Kweli- Blackstar
Atmosphere- When Life Gives You Lemons Paint that **** Gold
Lauryn Hill- Miseducation of...
Dr. Dre- Chronic, Chronic 2001
Eminem- Eminem Show, Slim Shady LP

those are just general must-listens i guess. I don't know how familiar you are with the genre or what.

 

[soap]

still haven't listened to atmosphere. i'll check that out

 

[IAmBlu3]

hahaha i kinda agree but not fully. i like guru, but he was hella monotone and always talked about the same ****.

@Underload: check out Blu. i always name him first

Soul Amazin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq-crVkXcaw

Cold Hearted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4OQU8qlSgo

Richie Cunning - Last Stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl5OqTRt-Q4

Big K.R.I.T - Hometown Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpdX14zmQtI

 

[Underload]

Here, just have a list of hip-hop albums I own.

The Roots - How I Got Over
Chiddy Bang - The Swelly Express
Kanye West - Late Registration
Kanye West - Graduation
Tor / Sufjan Stevens - Illinoize
Intuition & Verbs - Buzz EP

And now have a list of the names I've gathered so far in my studies:

Nas
Mos Def
Talib Kweli
Lupe Fiasco
Aesop Rock
Wu Tang Clan
Eminem

A few more names, and I think I'll be satisfied.

ALSO JANE WE HAVE THE SAME BIRTHDAY.

 

[IAmBlu3]

aesop rock??? nooooooooo!!!

 

[o-Serin-o]

Get ****ing Kid Cudi, Underload!

 

[KrazyGlue]

Here, just have a list of hip-hop albums I own.

The Roots - How I Got Over
Chiddy Bang - The Swelly Express
Kanye West - Late Registration
Kanye West - Graduation
Tor / Sufjan Stevens - Illinoize
Intuition & Verbs - Buzz EP

And now have a list of the names I've gathered so far in my studies:

Nas
Mos Def
Talib Kweli
Lupe Fiasco
Aesop Rock
Wu Tang Clan
Eminem

A few more names, and I think I'll be satisfied.

ALSO JANE WE HAVE THE SAME BIRTHDAY.

Luigitoilet mentioned some good ones. Atmosphere is amazing and not respected enough; I think you'd really enjoy the album LT mentioned.

If you're just looking for music you'd enjoy, Outkast would probably be good. I'd recommend all of their albums, but Stankonia is a great place to start.

If you're looking to beef up hip hop knowledge/understanding, the list goes on long. I'm no expert, but I do know what bases you need to cover.

- 2Pac and Biggie
- Rakim
- KRS One
- NWA
- Public Enemy
- Nas
- Wu Tang Clan
- Slick Rick

There are many, many, many other extremely important artists/groups (Outkast included), but the above ones will cover all the bases and provide a good start.

aesop rock??? nooooooooo!!!

Don't listen to this hoodlum, Aesop rock is a good artist. <3

 

[Underload]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-- I forgot about 2Pac. How does anyone forget that...?

But yeah, I guess I forgot to check the numbers section or something.

Moving on! I forgot a lot of other really good names in my last post.

J Dilla
Madlib
Goodie Mob
Madvillain
MF Grimm
Kid Cudi
MF DOOM
Madlib

In addition to the other stuff posted here. I'm not forgetting stuff like Atmosphere and Dr. Dre.

 

[IAmBlu3]

Don't listen to this hoodlum, Aesop rock is a good artist. <3

hahaha hoodlum? hey, i wouldn't have a problem with aesop if his fans weren't complete dickheads about how "great" he is.

 

[Underload]

Blu3, I'm only rabid about of couple of bands, and I try not to be annoying about it. But, in any case, an act's fanbase should have nothing to do with the music they make, you should know that.

By the way, I like this Blu you linked earlier. I really like it.

 

[KrazyGlue]

hahaha hoodlum? hey, i wouldn't have a problem with aesop if his fans weren't complete dickheads about how "great" he is.

Haha yeah, true. I'm not saying he's amazing, but he's fairly good. I almost feel the exact same way about MF Doom, but I like Doom more than Aesop. But some people are REALLY obsessed with Doom.

 

[Luigitoilet]

oh no doubt about Outkast.

In fact I decided to put Speakerboxx on because this thread. So good. The beats reminds me of P-Funk. So trippy.

Spoiler

perfect high music

 

[cookieM0Nster]

aesop rock??? nooooooooo!!!

i agree. my friend who doesnt know **** about hip hop was like AESOP ROCK IS HELLA GOOD HES BETTER THAN THE **** YOU LISTEN TO im like shut the **** up *****. you are white. and you listen to queen (who isnt that bad but still he doesnt know about hip hop)

 

[cookieM0Nster]

Okay, so, I have this thing I need help on.

I want more hip-hop in my music library.

Can you gents come together and throw a few names and albums at me? I have a tiny list of music I'm interested in, but other opinions are always nice. Thanks. I'll probably be posting my opinions on albums here, as I listen to them.

If you need some sort of grounds to base stuff off of, I really, really dig The Roots and Chiddy Bang.

J Dilla
Nujabes
DJ Premier
Big L
Wu-Tang Clan
Raekwon
Method Man
Ghostface Killah
GZA the Genius
Nas
DMX
Talib Kweli
Mos Def
Common
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
2Pac
The Notorious B.I.G.
Rakim
Immortal Technique
Fat Boys
Gift of Gab
KRS-One
Ras Kass
Mobb Deep
Queen Latifah
Jean Grae
The Roots
Strong Arm Steady
Papoose
Keith Murray
The Pharcyde
Reflection Eternal
OutKast
Nefertiti
Naughty by Nature
Melle Mel
Grandmaster Flash
Crown City Rockers
Hieroglyphs
Atmosphere
OutKast
Gang Starr
Jedi Mind Tricks
Lupe Fiasco
Jeru the Damaja
Azeem
Del tha Funkee Homosapien
J-Live
The Fugees
LL Cool J
Jurassic 5
Q-Tip
The Roots
Mobb Deep
Ice-T
Nefertiti
NWA
Guru
Ice Cube
Big Punisher
Blak Madeen
Basic Vocab
Slaughterhouse
Murs
CYNE
Cormega
Little Brother
Souls of Mischief
Shad
Wildchild
Cassidy
MF Doom
Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
Jay-Z 
Common Market
Dynas
Thaione Davis
Krumb Snatcha
Big Tone
Termanology
Modill
Insight
Skyzoo
YU
Oddisee
The Coup
MF Grimm
MC Lyte
Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
Black Star
Strong Arm Steady
Jean Grae
Sol Uprising
Eminem

sorry for the double post, but i dont think this will fit.

 

[Niko45]

Yea, regardless of his fans, Aesop Rock blows anyway.

 

[Luigitoilet]

J Dilla
Nujabes
DJ Premier
Big L
Wu-Tang Clan
Raekwon
Method Man
Ghostface Killah
GZA the Genius
Nas
DMX
Talib Kweli
Mos Def
Common
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
2Pac
The Notorious B.I.G.
Rakim
Immortal Technique
Fat Boys
Gift of Gab
KRS-One
Ras Kass
Mobb Deep
Queen Latifah
Jean Grae
The Roots
Strong Arm Steady
Papoose
Keith Murray
The Pharcyde
Reflection Eternal
OutKast
Nefertiti
Naughty by Nature
Melle Mel
Grandmaster Flash
Crown City Rockers
Hieroglyphs
Atmosphere
OutKast
Gang Starr
Jedi Mind Tricks
Lupe Fiasco
Jeru the Damaja
Azeem
Del tha Funkee Homosapien
J-Live
The Fugees
LL Cool J
Jurassic 5
Q-Tip
The Roots
Mobb Deep
Ice-T
Nefertiti
NWA
Guru
Ice Cube
Big Punisher
Blak Madeen
Basic Vocab
Slaughterhouse
Murs
CYNE
Cormega
Little Brother
Souls of Mischief
Shad
Wildchild
Cassidy
MF Doom
Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
Jay-Z 
Common Market
Dynas
Thaione Davis
Krumb Snatcha
Big Tone
Termanology
Modill
Insight
Skyzoo
YU
Oddisee
The Coup
MF Grimm
MC Lyte
Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
Black Star
Strong Arm Steady
Jean Grae
Sol Uprising
Eminem

sorry for the double post, but i dont think this will fit.

You realize that throwing a humongous list at someone not very familiar with hiphop is pretty intimidating? You just listed a ton of musicians that sound nothing alike. You think he's going to go and listen to every artist on that list?