! WORLD SMASH HIP-HOP ! Rap/HipHop/R&B/ Discussion Thread (explicit warning)

[Niko45]

I don't find Dre predictable at all he's probably the most versatile along with Kanye to be honest. He does it all.

Eminem did NOT produce Stan. The 45 King produced that and that's one of the best beats ever imo.

Eminem as a producer is not very good imo. So many of his beats have that annoying buzzing sound going on and they're often really boring (The Cross). He's had some decent stuff but he's got so many garbage beats as well.

 

[Y.b.M.]

Lil Wayne
Lil Tunechi
Weezy F Baby
Birdman Jr
Dwayne Carter

hahahahaha

 

[KrazyGlue]

I don't find Dre predictable at all he's probably the most versatile along with Kanye to be honest. He does it all.

He's not predictable (nor is Em), but once you hear the beat you know it's Dre.

Eminem did NOT produce Stan. The 45 King produced that and that's one of the best beats ever imo.

Em co-produced it.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_(song)

Eminem as a producer is not very good imo. So many of his beats have that annoying buzzing sound going on and they're often really boring (The Cross). He's had some decent stuff but he's got so many garbage beats as well.

1. EVERY producer has some garbage beats.

2. His best beats are far better than decent. He co-produced Stan, which, after all, you said yourself was one of the best beats ever. He also produced or co-produced great beats such as the ones on Renegade, Without Me, Till I Collapse, Lose Yourself, etc.

For a full list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminem_production_discography

 

[o-Serin-o]

 

[Rychu]

What the **** man.


Also, Em is WAY overratted now. His old stuff(before relapse) is way better than much of his new stuff, though Relapse and Recovery both had really good songs (3AM, Elevator, Underground, Insane, Won't back down) they both had pretty week stuff too(We made you, no love, love the way you lie)

 

[IAmBlu3]

1. EVERY producer has some garbage beats.

2. His best beats are far better than decent. He co-produced Stan, which, after all, you said yourself was one of the best beats ever. He also produced or co-produced great beats such as the ones on Renegade, Without Me, Till I Collapse, Lose Yourself, etc.

For a full list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminem_production_discography

it seems like all his best beats only work for him. everyone else he's produced for, those songs weren't exactly standouts. he has a couple like Til The End by Lloyd Banks and Welcome To Detroit by Trick Trick but overall, i don't see his productions as very versatile.

 

[Niko45]

Em co-produced it.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_(song)

This is the first I'm hearing that Eminem co-produced it. I don't trust wikipedia. 45 King has always been praised for that track. The beat sounds nothing like Eminem production anyway, I can't give him credit for that. Even if he is officially credited for co-production, I highly doubt he actually produced the beat. He probably added the sound effects in the song or something.

1. EVERY producer has some garbage beats.

2. His best beats are far better than decent. He co-produced Stan, which, after all, you said yourself was one of the best beats ever. He also produced or co-produced great beats such as the ones on Renegade, Without Me, Till I Collapse, Lose Yourself, etc.

For a full list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminem_production_discography

Nah every producer doesn't have GARBAGE beats. I'm talking bad. Unlistenable. Not just like boring or something. Eminem has a lot of those...

Em's had his moments though. Like I said I'm giving him no credit for Stan. Co-production doesn't count anyway. Til I Collapse is dope tho. Renegade is dope. At a point Eminem's production fell off hard and was just like pure synth with buzzing noises for beats. Wack.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

Yeah, I've always liked that beat.

DOPE beat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCU-qgR_4bM

Classic (DJ Premier Remix) by Kanye West, Nas, KRS One, and Rakim

love it.

good lyrics....i still don't like that beat.

how could you not o.o

1. RZA
2. Kanye
3. RJD2
4. DJ Shadow
5. Dre

haha i forgot about RZA.

What the **** man.


Also, Em is WAY overratted now. His old stuff(before relapse) is way better than much of his new stuff, though Relapse and Recovery both had really good songs (3AM, Elevator, Underground, Insane, Won't back down) they both had pretty week stuff too(We made you, no love, love the way you lie)

agreed except recovery didnt have anything good, and wont back down had a hella wack beat.

it seems like all his best beats only work for him. everyone else he's produced for, those songs weren't exactly standouts. he has a couple like Til The End by Lloyd Banks and Welcome To Detroit by Trick Trick but overall, i don't see his productions as very versatile.

agreed, welcome to detroit was hella slapping lmao

 

[Niko45]

I thought No Love was pretty good, one of the better tracks on that album.

Recovery was really not bad skills wise its just kind of directionless. What is he talking about? He's like talking **** to anonymous people on half the tracks and then **** like Love the Way You Lie I just don't even get what that song is. Then a lot of the other stuff is just really depressing so its just not really fun to listen to at all. Em still has the skills, though, so hopefully he'll make better music in the future.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

idk. with eminem he just completely jacked other people's styles and didnt use his own.

plus hes had 3 bad albums in a row. i liked relapse sorta. underground, beautiful, and deja vu were so dope.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Recovery isn't bad at all, wtf No Love was good :L As was Seduction.

Basically, Eminem spent the whole album talking about how much better he is than other rappers.

And did you know that today is his birthday?

EDIT: I'mma start posting more C&H here to give people laughs as it relates to rap :3

 

[IAmBlu3]

i wouldn't consider recovery bad...just disappointing. it was an okay album. way too much singing, his flow was just aggression + speed, had a lot of wack/corny lines and some of those songs were just straight ***.

 

[Jane]

EDIT: I'mma start posting more C&H here to give people laughs as it relates to rap :3

please dont

 

[Luigitoilet]

Yeah. On a technical level Recovery has some tracks that can't be touched. It's just the subject matter is so tepid and uninspiring. He's got nothing to say anymore, it seems.

 

[o-Serin-o]

There isn't anything that can be said that hasn't been said already :L

 

[soap]

I just started recently paying attention to producers this past year or so.....

my favorites

1.Premier - very simple infectious loops. Sick with the scratching, creates his own choruses. But mainly keeps it basic and it works. Produced most of my favorite Nas tracks.

2. Dre - Chronic 01 instrumentals are my ****ttt (anyone who releases an official instrumental album gets props from me. They are basically saying that the beats r good enough alone) Of course he has done so much for the game as well. Lost One beat is one of my faves as well

3. Hi-tek - just solid as ****. not much else to say.

4. Exile - Produced my favorite album. I've been digging up his old stuff with Aloe Blacc and it's pretty chill as well.

5. Nujabes - I just love him. Was instrumental (no pun intended) in producing the champloo soundtrack. his solo stuff is beast as well. Him and Pete Rock are my sleepy time music

that said, Pete Rock I can only listen to late at night when I am exhausted, or else it is just boring to me. He is very smooth, but i gotta be in the right mood. Same for Dilla. They have their shining moments, but they are either over-rated, or they are simply from a different era.

Fly-Lo on the come up

(tried listening to Madlib, doom, RZA, not feeling them so much. I did like 36 chambers)

 

[Rychu]

No Love was "okay". I thought Eminem's verse was great, the song was just dissapointing. When you got a beat sampled from a 80's(i beleive) song, another rapper(i dont like lil wayne) and only ONE VERSE in your own song...It's just kinda a let down.

I liked it better when he was talking about killing his wife and writing songs about his daughter

 

[IAmBlu3]

i don't think wayne did bad on that track, actually. the beat was...weird for em. after all that complaining about pop music, he raps over a sampled 80's pop song by haddaway...

maybe it's just him maturing as an artist, possibly?

 

[Luigitoilet]

No Love sounds like the BS Em would have made fun of 10 years ago. But his verse is out-of-sight. I skip right to his verse every time.

 

[Niko45]

Yea Wayne was fine on No Love. Both had good verses.

As a huge Eminem fan, things could be much worse. Recovery was a huge step up from Relapse. I didn't expect much from Recovery and considering how long Eminem was on hiatus, he definitely hasn't fallen off as hard as some people inexplicably have (50 Cent?). I was just hoping for some improvement from Em, and that's what we got I think. Hopefully he'll continue to step it up in the future.

 

[Jane]

why niko always gotta be makin sense and shiet

 

[Kingdom Come]

I don't get why people say 50 Cent fell off. IMO he only has 1 bad album.

We all know Get Rich or Die Tryin' is a great album.

But, nobody ever says The Massacre is trash. So I assume it's really good, at least commercially it sounded really good when I was in 5th grade.

Curtis I only listened through once and didn't care for it except for "Straight to the Bank, I Get Money, Ayo Technology".

I also really liked Before I Self Destruct, it was 50 being 50 raw, uncensored plus he IMO outdid Em on Psycho and Em was mad crazy on it.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Recovery is way better than some of you are giving it credit for. No Love is okay, but I think Space Bound is the highlight of the album. And of course Not Afraid is good.

Recovery >>> Relapse
Recovery <= Encore (almost equal)

 

[Kingdom Come]

I liked Recovery except for W.T.P. Horrible song. Everything else was pretty good. What some people just don't understand is that Em is no longer in his prime. Like seriously give him a break.

 

[KrazyGlue]

I liked Recovery except for W.T.P. Horrible song. Everything else was pretty good. What some people just don't understand is that Em is no longer in his prime. Like seriously give him a break.

Yeah.... I mean, look at other rappers not in their prime. Nas and Jay are still good, but look at Rakim, Run DMC, Ice T, 50 Cent, Lauryn Hill, Kurupt, etc. outside their prime. A lot of rappers drop off after a while.

 

[Rychu]

I get what you guys are saying, but when your like me who worships the ground he walks on, thinking that since he's white and the best you could MAYBE make it...well it was a let down. He got clean, he got his act together...this was supposed to be his BEST.
Its just hard to see your hero fall, ya know?

 

[Luigitoilet]

I get what you guys are saying, but when your like me who worships the ground he walks on, thinking that since he's white and the best you could MAYBE make it...well it was a let down. He got clean, he got his act together...this was supposed to be his BEST.
Its just hard to see your hero fall, ya know?

lol.

anyways, Kanye tweeted his new album cover (banned in the US)

http://twitpic.com/2ykxjk

 

[KrazyGlue]

lol.

anyways, Kanye tweeted his new album cover (banned in the US)

http://twitpic.com/2ykxjk

AHAHAHAHAHA! What the **** was that?

That cover + the album name means there's gonna be some pretty ****ed up **** there.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Smh @ the album cover <_<


WHERE'S THE DROPOUT BEAR?!

 

[Luigitoilet]

I'm really interested in all the satanic and pagan and just overall non-Christian imagery Kanye's got going on in his recent lyrics and artwork. It's an interesting dynamic considering it's the same guy that made Jesus Walks

 

[Boofy!]

i liked recovery except for w.t.p. Horrible song. Everything else was pretty good. What some people just don't understand is that em is no longer in his prime. Like seriously give him a break.

qft&e

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[Exceladon City]

I'm really interested in all the satanic and pagan and just overall non-Christian imagery Kanye's got going on in his recent lyrics and artwork. It's an interesting dynamic considering it's the same guy that made Jesus Walks

The irony of it all.

Honestly, once his mom died, he kinda lost his mind. Like I literally think Kanye West is crazy.

 

[KrazyGlue]

I'm really interested in all the satanic and pagan and just overall non-Christian imagery Kanye's got going on in his recent lyrics and artwork. It's an interesting dynamic considering it's the same guy that made Jesus Walks

True. Then again there's a boatload of rappers who claim to be Christian and then turn around and make a track about murdering, ******, and getting stoned.

The irony of it all.

Honestly, once his mom died, he kinda lost his mind. Like I literally think Kanye West is crazy.

Uh, I wouldn't go that far...

 

[Suspect]

He stopped believing in God once his mom died, his logic is "If there is a God, why did he let his mom die"

or

Illuminati

Take your pick.

 

[soap]

eyedea died somehow

 

[cookieM0Nster]

eyedea died somehow

i was just boutta say that.

RIP eyedea.

 

[Exceladon City]

He stopped believing in God once his mom died, his logic is "If there is a God, why did he let his mom die"

or

Illuminati

Take your pick.

Let's go with the first one.

 

[~N9NE~]

Literally or figuratively? Edit: He really died? Haven't listened to a song by him ever but RIP.

Kanye lost it a long time ago.

How many times you guys going to discuss Recovery/Relapse/Refill? Lol literally the same posts every five to ten pages.

New Joe! Called No Idea! Not listening though. I've heard it's one of the best songs on MM4! Let me know how it is!

Torae is dope.

 

[Exceladon City]

Literally or figuratively?

Kanye lost it a long time ago.

How many times you guys going to discuss Recovery/Relapse/Refill? Lol literally the same posts every five to ten pages.

New Joe! Called No Idea! Not listening though. I've heard it's one of the best songs on MM4! Let me know how it is!

Torae is dope.

I mean truth be told, the car accident that almost ended him, subsequently kicked off his career and possibly made him a teeny bit cuckoo. I mean we've watch him progress into a loon as the years went by. His mom dying was pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. The dude went off the deep end after that.

 

[Suspect]

Let's go with the first one.

C) all of the above

lol jk