World of Warcraft Discussion: Mists of Pandaria

[Turazrok]

The DPS I have seen for 5.2 PTR is stupid good. Along with vãrïøûš skill buffs they are gonna be damn good. I'm pretty sure they have built in trinket, along with 20yd in combat sap. That's but a sampling. Also nice drake ł am jelly. 2 days away from klaxxi plus shado pan exaltation man I hate dailies €££££'j

 

[Crooked Crow]

Those are some interesting text decisions you have implemented there.

I'm exalted with every faction but Klaxxi'va and I haven't started the Krasarang dailies yet. But yeah, WW sounds decent like that.. probably won't be as broken as Mages or S Priests, though.

 

[Turazrok]

Ì gôt børęd ïń pšÿćh.

 

[Crooked Crow]

You should link your main toon. Everyone should! But you go first.

 

[Turazrok]

Turaz#1508
90NE Rogue
Crushridge
Zzzzz I would go horde but garrosh

 

[Gazdakka Gizbang]

I would go play WoW again, but...nah, I'll never play WoW again.

It would require something equivalent to Crisis on Infinite Earths that rolls back WoW's god-awful story to before the latter half of WotLK to reinvigorate my morale in that department for it to happen.

Unless my wife demanded it, but then I'd be more like the guy in stocks.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Wait.

WoW had a good story?

Smooth Criminal

 

[Turazrok]

WoW never did anything besides ruin WC lore.

Lol

 

[Sunnysunny]

Wait.

WoW had a good story?

Smooth Criminal

The face isn't even necessary in this situation.

Because it's true. :3

 

[Gazdakka Gizbang]

lol, I'm inclined to agree with you guys on that. The storyline prior to the latter part of WotLK was my acceptable range of tolerance. Illidan dead? Yeah, it sucked but OK. Death Knights becoming over-the-counter-ordinaries? I guess. But playing the Random Mercenaries card for the bulk of Warcraft's villainous cast and considering it canon? No thanks. Not to mention WoW's identity crisis in that it wholeheartedly rips pieces out of society's pop culture and passes them off as its own lore.

I play most of my games for stories, and when all of that transpired, it sucked the WoW gamer out of me. That and things like the repeatable-and-barely-altered annual events, and going through WotLK raids counted for little when all the gear you strove to obtain became available through Heroics in just 2-3 months.

 

[Crooked Crow]

It has pop culture references... what doesn't? The lore is fine.

 

[Turazrok]

I mean idk about the DK thing.
IIRC the original DK's were Nerzhul's homies + paladins that arthas turned.

 

[Gazdakka Gizbang]

It has pop culture references... what doesn't? The lore is fine.

How many games with pop culture references base a large portion of zones around singular references? Look at Uldum: There's so much Indiana Jones in there, they might as well have called it Raiders of the Lost Ark. The entire plane sequence, various characters from the movies (or impersonations of such), mimicking quest dialogue...there is such a thing as "overkill", you know.

Now when Harrison Jones was at the entrance to BC's Zul'Aman, that's cool - it was a passing reference that was relatively subtle and appreciative. WotLK, it was a little much, but it was only one small quest line. Cataclysm, it was roughly a span of 40-50 quests; hardly an exercise in moderation. And that's just one reference among hundreds. My point is the dilemma that when you create a fantasy world and saturate it with modern pop-culture references that become a part of its identity, it's hardly an original one. Is it World of Warcraft or Family Guy Online?

But that's not my main beef with the lore: As I said earlier, WoW kills off all of its villains by saying "A pile of random nobodies did it", and it's said that for each and every villain both set in the original Warcraft lore and everything that has come out in WoW's time. What's worse is that this method of extermination is now considered actual canon, and the vast sum of its original Warcraft 3 villains are now dead because "Variable X did it". That makes all of its villains likened into little more than Monsters of the Week. Blizzard can't seem to make its poster-boy villains last any longer than a single expansion. So let's make some early predictions that will probably ring true. By the time you reach level 100, will you face Sargeras? Yep. And will 10-25 ordinaries with swords and sharp sticks be able to beat the God guy who participated in the creation of all things? Yep.

[/Rant]

I mean idk about the DK thing.
IIRC the original DK's were Nerzhul's homies + paladins that arthas turned.

Well they were originally going to be an optional but permanent class change to the existing classes, and while I can understand that with the shifting balance between all the classes there would be a lot of people who would regret the permanent conversion, it undermines the "prestigious" status of Death Knights when every man and his dog can be one.

But like I said, I could bear that as I knew it was the best way to handle it without alienating too much of WoW's casual masses.

 

[Crooked Crow]

WoW is just a conglomeration of WC lore and what would fill an expansion period. I in particular, enjoy the lore of specific races. Particularly Draenei.

But, how else could they fill content? WoW has always been about progressive raiding and grinding PvP gear.

 

[Gazdakka Gizbang]

I personally am not the biggest fan of the spacegoats, but you know what? I was fine with Draenei. They skirted the boundary of acceptance and came out well; probably the most suitable counter-race to the Blood Elves at the time. Heck, even Worgen were good - they took the high road and stuck within the fantasy setting, with horses and sinister plots and shadows all around.

But Goblins? Nah. I think it was the cars.

As for what they could fill the expansions with: I dunno, maybe stuff of their own design? Maybe if they made their villains last longer, they'd have more actual story to work with. There were plenty of small inclusions in WoW that could have easily fleshed out expansions in their own right. The Emerald Dream and the dragon bosses guarding various portals, Elemental Invasion events, etc.

 

[Crooked Crow]

I still don't think all the Old Gods are dead, either. This expansion has a hidden 16th boss, after Lei Shen. I believe it will be Garrosh.

Hopefully though, it's really Jaina. She is a nutcase now.

 

[JTB]

Garrosh has already been confirmed as the final boss of the expansion

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Yuppers. Patch 5.4, Siege of Ogrimmar, is the last patch of this expansion and Garrosh is the big bad.

Also, pretty much everything Gadzooks said about WoW's lore. I'm a little less sensitive about the existence of the tongue-in-cheek stuff, though. Concerning the draenei, too, I have a (slightly) dissenting opinion: I think they're a really cool race, in both appearance and in concept, but I don't feel they're anywhere close to being as fleshed out as some of the other races. Blizzard put them there and neglected to really explain anything about them, aside from a few terms and the fact that they venerate the naaru and the Light.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Crooked Crow]

Draenei just means "exiled ones." Led by Prophet Velen.

If not for Velen, they would all be Man'ari. Also an interesting point... Exodar = Exodis. This explains the constant persecution of Draenei by the Burning Legion.

Velen is a beast.

 

[Turazrok]

Heads up guys, fastest way to level currently is to get a team of pets from 1-6, then repeatedly battle the level 1 pets in the faction capital. Try it before it gets patched

 

[Mic_128]

But that's not my main beef with the lore: As I said earlier, WoW kills off all of its villains by saying "A pile of random nobodies did it", and it's said that for each and every villain both set in the original Warcraft lore and everything that has come out in WoW's time. What's worse is that this method of extermination is now considered actual canon, and the vast sum of its original Warcraft 3 villains are now dead because "Variable X did it". That makes all of its villains likened into little more than Monsters of the Week. Blizzard can't seem to make its poster-boy villains last any longer than a single expansion. So let's make some early predictions that will probably ring true. By the time you reach level 100, will you face Sargeras? Yep. And will 10-25 ordinaries with swords and sharp sticks be able to beat the God guy who participated in the creation of all things? Yep.

Most of the big bads are given the credit for the slaying of [insert villain] with assistance from Mercenaries/champions of the [faction] Tirion and the Argent Crusade got the credit for Arthas, Maiev and Akama got the credit for Illidan, Varian ended up getting the credit for Onyxia, ect.

What's the alternative? You spend an entire expansion trying to defeat ______, only for them to pull an "I'll get you next time, gadget!" and disappear for a second expansion? I'm sorry, but that'd piss me off more than anything. Imagine if in ICC you got to Arthas, got him to half health, and he said "Nah, wait another year and a half for the last patch of the next expansion. Seeya!"

 

[Player-3]

turaz i love you this leveling is ******** LOL

 

[JTB]

interesting tip ive never seen

"Nobody has seen Alleria or Turalyon in years."

foreshadowing?!

 

[Crooked Crow]

"Remember to do all things in moderation, even WoW!"

Yeah right. This game wouldn't be such a grindfest otherwise.

 

[Player-3]

"oh someone said oondastas up, cool we got like 4 40 man groups we'll be fine"

rip

 

[JTB]

872 million? how the hell is that supposed to play out lol

 

[Player-3]

the tag is faction-wide, so if an alliance char tags it any alliance characters that help kill it get loot


so you have 150+ people trying to kill this monstrosity that does 800k aoe damage in a cone

 

[Turazrok]

I was in that raid. RIP arathor.

 

[Mic_128]

Wow, that's awesome

 

[Crooked Crow]

Oondasta is ridiculously hard. Nalak is the boring one.

 

[JTB]

2nd ToT wing is pretty fun, although I wish the layout of the whole raid was similar to WotLK raids

 

[Crooked Crow]

I like how people are trying to kill Oondasta and due to not meeting the ilvl requirements, do the whole "kite him to the graveyard and mass rez!" trick.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

lol people still play wow

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Oh yeah this thread still exists.
Been on Stormrage for a few months now and loving the change.


RAWR

 

[Crooked Crow]

My computer died. No WoW for me until I can afford a new one.

Also, nice job getting the legendary. I gave up on that. Didn't realize how necessary it would actually be.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Oooooh.
Everytime I quit this game drags me back.

Gonna start playing this again.
Any neat updates in the last couple of months?

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Oooooh.
Everytime I quit this game drags me back.

Gonna start playing this again.
Any neat updates in the last couple of months?

Depends--what do you play?

 

[Krynxe]

Oh yeah this thread still exists.
Been on Stormrage for a few months now and loving the change.


RAWR

Just looked up that item and it seems so damn good. And you made it with leather working?

 

[Crooked Crow]

I would give up all my personal freedoms to be able to play WoW again.

Depends--what do you play?

Hi bb. <3

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Just looked up that item and it seems so damn good. And you made it with leather working?

which item exactly? fen-yu? its the legendary cloak

also anyone interested in starting a flex smashboards run? would be really cool to raid with people from here.