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Wonderland Mafia GAME OVER: Town/Independent Win!

Omni

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wow, tom. what's not convincing about my message? what about it sounds fake or made up? i think you're just upset because you're the main subject.

what makes my claim about the note i receive less believable than your implicit claims of being a cop? if something isn't believable explain why with logic and reasoning. if your only argument towards this is "because i didn't write it" then your opinion hardly matters since you could easily be lying

@Omis: hurry up and speak so Marshy can talk.
 

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Okay, I will be logical. There is a distict difference between the ease at which your secret admirer revealed himself and the dialogue I must resort to when referring to my own identity, at least as long as the Queen of Hearts still lives. I did not write the letter and I would benefit naught from sending it. My current suspicion, now that Cacti had claimed that Marshy visited the deceased King of Hearts may he rest in peace is that Marshy was the one to write the letter and send it to you. The only other option I see, based on your description of the letter's unseen diction, is that you wrote it. I see those as the two options, which is why it is unconvincing. I didn't say it was incriminating, mind you, just unconvincing, it's not a strong point towards any lynch and it is possibly a fake gambit.

Chaco, don't doubt that there is a normal cop.

Xiivi you are a pillar of mine now so I appreciate your constant opinions.

Waiting for Omis, Marshy. The more Nich and Cacti talk the happier I will be too. :]
 

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Xiivi hasn't said anything new, why buddy him for that now?
 

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Omis should be done with his holiday shenanigans today, so expect a post from him.

That being said, a tentative deadline has been set for Sunday, December 6th, at 11:59:59pm, EST. If Omis requires a replacement for some reason, then the deadline may be extended a few days.
 

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Back from the holidays.

Xiivi hasn't said anything new, why buddy him for that now?
I know you claim to have a shell but that still wouldn't explain how dense you are being. Read all of my posts from today. Even the smallest ones are important. I find Xiivi and Cacti to be very trustworthy.

Marshy is just obviously avoiding this game now... Quicklynch gogogo.
O.o

Is that what the unusually early thing was?
I said this already. So did Omni.

What other thoughts do you have about the game?
 

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Alright sorry guys Im here now.
Marshy can post I guess
I need to reread over this so expect more from me later tonight since I have an *** load of stuff that I need to do.
Did anyone receive a note last night?
 

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vote cacti silly scumbag. only way this isn't a fakeclaim is if there's a framer or i'm a miller who wasn't told. it might be the case since i'm white rabbit and my posting restriction is that i have to be the last to post each day but a watcher, a backup watcher, governor and doctor is malarkey

note how cacti tried to get me lynched to preempt the threat of a response. guessing he chose me after seeing that chaco and tom both had me in their scumlists

chaco advice != fishing. i also thought looking like i'd have an obsession with the governor might help draw the nightkill

got a note last night. it has the same :mad::suess::chuckle: signature that omni said but i think it's unimportant. but there's only 1 between an agent/spy unless it's some mod shenanigans

i think a good buddy for cacti is between omis and omni. cacti/nick hating on each other day 1 didn't feel like distancing (unless cacti's a traitor and one of them didn't know the other was scum between them), chaco's doc claim is legit, and xiivi's a gg. maybe tom. i don't know how the "cacti is town" thing plays into this
 

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Tom, if you want to get through to me and effectively help...stop being so cryptic.

In all honesty, I'm not seeing the weight behind this Marshy lynch. More support please.
 

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don't recall there being any connection between me and cacti. then again, that in itself is a connection. regardless. marshy's character is obvious.

vote: cacti

@marshy: what did the note say? also, what makes you think i'm a buddy of cacti? process of elimination?

don't mind cacti nameclaiming at this point. time for the wagon party to begin
 

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two questions:

what is a backup watcher?
is it normal for a game to have two investigative roles alive at once?
 

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I, personally, have never heard of a backup watcher. I'd say it's more likely a Universal backup, which in a smaller game would be broken, or a made up role by Circus.

And no, Omni. In a game of this size and with the cleared roles right now...I doubt it.
 

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omis, less replying to current issues; more rereading the thread like you said you would. there's been a bunch of questions and comments thrown your way and a lot has transpired in the past so get on that please.

okay so tom imma need you be direct like chaco said. we had a watcher AND a backup watcher and from what you're implying you sound like a cop. this isn't rolefishing. you've just been severely hinting to this fact to the point that everyone is aware of what you're implying so it doesn't matter if i say it in the open.

it doesn't seem likely that a game this size would have a tracker, a backup tracker, AND a cop. the oddball is the cop i.e. Tom.

please clarify this for us, Tom.
 

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Alright sorry guys Im here now.
Marshy can post I guess
I need to reread over this so expect more from me later tonight since I have an *** load of stuff that I need to do.
Did anyone receive a note last night?
vote cacti silly scumbag. only way this isn't a fakeclaim is if there's a framer or i'm a miller who wasn't told. it might be the case since i'm white rabbit and my posting restriction is that i have to be the last to post each day but a watcher, a backup watcher, governor and doctor is malarkey

note how cacti tried to get me lynched to preempt the threat of a response. guessing he chose me after seeing that chaco and tom both had me in their scumlists

chaco advice != fishing. i also thought looking like i'd have an obsession with the governor might help draw the nightkill

got a note last night. it has the same :mad::suess::chuckle: signature that omni said but i think it's unimportant. but there's only 1 between an agent/spy unless it's some mod shenanigans

i think a good buddy for cacti is between omis and omni. cacti/nick hating on each other day 1 didn't feel like distancing (unless cacti's a traitor and one of them didn't know the other was scum between them), chaco's doc claim is legit, and xiivi's a gg. maybe tom. i don't know how the "cacti is town" thing plays into this
Does anyone else find this opportunistic on Omis' part at all?

He knew enough about the situation to know Marshy couldn't post until he did, and he conveniently asked if anyone had a note when all the other players had already posted and not mentioned getting one. And sure enough Marshy comes in saying he got a note, which he doesn't reveal any contents of either.

I believed Tom's claim. I believed Chaco's claim. But I really didn't buy Cacti's. Heck the only reason I'm wanting to believe it is because of Tom's claim. Chaco said he didn't think Cacti was lying when he made the claim, yet now he doesn't see the weight behind a Marshy lynch and now seems to doubt Cacti's claim.

I don't know what I'm seeing in this. But I'm getting really torn with Cacti seeming scummy, and having a claim I don't believe, yet being cleared as innocent from Tom, who I do believe.
 

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Omni/Chaco do you not believe that Tom has a restriction where he can't directly claim and that he's just being purposely cyrptic? You're asking him to be direct when he's attempting to drill it into out minds that he can't be.
 

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hm. that's true, xiivi. i knew what to think of tom's comment but i didnt think that far into it.

i still want to wait for Omis to reread and respond to what has been going on. i do agree that it was an opportunity, but if what you're saying is true, that's implying Omis wrote the note. i don't see that at the moment UNLESS of course he had help which i totally forgot about and just remembered. if whoever sent that note is mafia then they could easily have help writing that letter ugh im an idiot.

waiting for omis to respond and for marshy to answer my question.

@Xiivi: the problem is that Tom for some reason think you and Cacti are clear. Cacti claims backup tracker and finds that Marshy visisted Gheb. so now we have Marshy vs. Cacti. Cacti's claim isn't totally farfetched but Marshy's explanation is solid as well. don't see the white rabbit being scum and the flavor matches his character.

@marshy: what are you thoughts on Tom? Tom said he finds Cacti as safe so why would you neglect mentioning Tom being a buddy in that regards? do you now find Tom's claim suspicious? if u believe tom, then finding fault in Cacti is really confusing for your case

-_- @ xiivi
 

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Well, that's what I was trying to see Xiivi. If he could be direct. If not I'm fine with it. I really don't feel like trying to decipher his messages as I'm getting many different things. I tried to hint to him that I thought he was a flavor cop, and he said don't doubt a normal cop.

I know he can't claim...I got that much.
 

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Off with their heads!:

Cacti (2): Marshy, Omni
Marshy (1): Cacti

Not voting (5): Omis, Tom, Chaco, Xiivi, Nicholas1024

Deadline: Sunday, December 6th, at 11:59:59pm, EST

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
 

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@Cacti: Please confirm that you are just a back-up watcher, and not any kind of tracker like some people have been saying (Omni) or a universal backup. You targeted Gheb, and Marshy was the only one to show up?

I seriously question the inclusion of a watcher, backup watcher, and a doctor. Chaco's doctor claim has been terrible all game - claimed for no reason (counterclaiming someone who DIDN'T claim), questionable on the possibly self-protection. We know there was a watcher, which immediately made me doubt the inclusion of a doctor. This claim of a backup watcher, coming especially from Cacti who I found trust in, makes me severely doubt Chaco. However, even more than doubting Chaco, it makes me doubt Marshy, because Marshy is the one he said visited Gheb.

vote: Marshy for now

Chaco said that he didnt think Cacti was lying in #476.

Omni didn't reply at all to my #483.

Omis, you need to re-read as soon as possible and post your opinions.

@Marshy: you should explain what was in the letter as much as you can. I still doubt the existence of the letters at all, and from the description of the letters and the wordage and phrasing Omni described, it would incriminate either him or you (possibly Chaco...?)

@Chaco: I will not stop being cryptic; I thought that was crystal clear. Also, I do not have anything to do with anyone elses' favorite flavors - I work completely without flavors, but not without ice cream.

@Omni: I am very deterred by how hard you are pushing the Cacti lynch, from what it seems like a knee-jerk from the Day 2 Lynch you are just writing it off as the next thing to do when I took precaution and determined that it was not. You are also simply writing off Marshy as the correct one because he is a rabbit who runs late - have you never heard of scum flavor?

A back-up watcher is a completely legitimate role. Universal backup is LESS common because it is hella hard to balance. -Rep to Chaco for that comment.

@Omni post 497: Sorry, I'm not going to be direct. But I do very much see a watcher clashing with a doctor and not clashing with a cop. A tracker would clash with a cop. And you accidentally reffered to Cacti as a tracker once already today. He is a backup watcher, they do not follow anyone and see who they visit, but they watch someone to see if they have visitors. So no, there is no "tracker, backup tracker, and cop," because there is no tracker at all.

@Xiivi: What about seeing? I'm sorry, I don't understand that bit.

@Omni: The "some reason" that I find Xiivi and Cacti clear should be perfectly Clear and/Or Precise. "not seeing the white rabbit as scum" doesn't really make any point at all. that is just flavor. He claimed vanilla townie with a restriction, and I severely doubt that we are in MyLo after we already lynched 1 mafia.

I am perfectly content not lynch Chaco because I know while he is alive, I cannot for any good reason die.

I want to hear more from Omis and Nicholas, and I really really REALLY want to hear more from Cacti and Marshy. I do think Marshy is scum based on my feelings towards Cacti. I don't really like what I keep hearing from Omni and Chaco... but they are not important right now compared to Cacti v. Marshy.
 

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To re-iterate, I really really want to make toDay all about Cacti and Marshy, and therefore, **** you both are in the spot light and should be posting a LOT of your opinions and as much knowledge as you have so that we can determine who to lynch.

Sticking with Marshy now and probably not changing, however, because of what I know in my big 'ol head.
 

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Sorry for being inactive over this past weekend (thanksgiving activities). I'll post an analysis later tonight.
 

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omni i have you/omis as buddies through process of elimination

ugh. the note says nothing important. but fine

the note starts off calling me osseous (which made me think it was tom at first but then realized anyone could've figured that out since i've recently played a game on here under that account). he starts off asserting that he's a player and not circus. he calls me friend and hopes the queen doesn't see it. he's sad about the steel mislynch and mentions the march hare

he says that he was asleep when we lynched riddle. ponders if i'm trustworthy. says some stuff about some player who's fast but claims a slow creature having burnt toast. he doesn't trust this guy. he says the creature counted 1 2 3 for everyone to see

he's worried that the water creature is making soggy toast and bothered that his friend riddle worm is pretending to be a cat. he says that he's the only cat in this game and everywhere outside this game. clarifies that he's not the cheshire cat though

says he knows cheshire cat is in this game and he has to find him. says that we shouldn't nameclaim. it sounds like it's from tom but what does it matter?

omni it's not "if tom is town then cacti is town." i need to think things out more there because if cacti is tom's scumbuddy then they're both claiming investigative roles? cacti's claim reminds me of kevin's in simpsons which would help explain it. there're a lot of variables. but cacti needs to die
 

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well it helps to show that i wasn't making it up since the contents are related altho it doesn't help showing if there's a connection between the two of us. whatever.

Cacti, explain your ****. why did you quickhammer Steel without explaining your vote like you said you would? despite your watcher claim i still want you dead.
 

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I'd rather lynch the dude with a lame posting restriction than the dude with a PR claim and an innocent result on them from the assumed cop. Just sayin'. Also if Marshy does flip mafia then the note most likely came from indy/town because I doubt mafia would send a note to each other.

Omni why were you so intent on giving us secret letters and stuff in the first note and now the only reason you wanted Marshy's note info is to show the contents are related and that you didn't make things up? Seems like you went from attempting to decipher the notes to just proving you weren't lying.

I still don't like Omis' post and want to hear more from him.
 

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and i'd rather lynch the scum. cacti's claim is such crap. scum don't have restrictions that make them look like a lurker. a watcher, backup watcher, doctor, cop, and governor are not all in a small game
 

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I'd rather lynch the dude with a lame posting restriction than the dude with a PR claim and an innocent result on them from the assumed cop. Just sayin'. Also if Marshy does flip mafia then the note most likely came from indy/town because I doubt mafia would send a note to each other.

Omni why were you so intent on giving us secret letters and stuff in the first note and now the only reason you wanted Marshy's note info is to show the contents are related and that you didn't make things up? Seems like you went from attempting to decipher the notes to just proving you weren't lying.

I still don't like Omis' post and want to hear more from him.
In terms of scumminess, Cacti still needs to die. I've explained it and it should be apparent that his quick lynch on Steel was ill in nature. There was too much time in the day, and the "explanation" he said he would give us never appeared. Cacti's "claimed" PR role doesn't stop the fact that he needs to die over Marshy. If you're inno, you're giving Tom too much credibility.

In regards to the notes, this question you're asking doesn't make much sense. I already gave its contents and claimed I couldn't tell who it originated from. The secret letters (not so secret since they were obvious in the message) were just part of the content. I already gave my input on what I thought about the letter. The main issue with the letter is that people like Tom and a few others weren't sure if they could take my word when I said I received a letter. The inability to prove that put me in lame position, but Marshy clarifying that he also received a letter with nearly the same contents expresses that:

1.) I wasn't making anything up.
2.) The contents were as I said; very implicit messages saying that the sender was from Tom.

Proving that I am not lying, Xiivi, gives me more credibility. Now that you know I'm not lying you can start believing that the contents I disclosed from the letter are also true and leave your own impression on it.

Omis is being very lame. Wasting our time. Nick has also been very quiet. The Cacti/Omis/Nick lynch pool is still my current favorite.
 

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hey, omis. you mind not actively lurking?
 

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I think that I might be a universal backup. I wasn't given my role until d2, d1 I was just told that I was disloyal to the queen.

he says that he was asleep when we lynched riddle. ponders if i'm trustworthy. says some stuff about some player who's fast but claims a slow creature having burnt toast. he doesn't trust this guy. he says the creature counted 1 2 3 for everyone to see
This is weird, my role pm said that I sleep through the night, and said something about "if someone were to wake you up..." making me think I was a granny, but D2 it said that I was waking up and would not rest until this whole ordeal is finished with. It said that I would take the responsibilities of the march hare, and then I was told that I was backup watcher.

I quickhammered Steel because I was sure that he was scum... But why did everyone turn around immediately after? Did anyone even look into who was in the Steel wagon and thought that they could be scum?
 

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Omis has asked to be replaced. I've contacted Scumfever.

Careful with those quotation marks, Cacti.
 

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Omis has asked to be replaced. I've contacted Scumfever.
Wow, seriously, Omis?

unvote Vote: Omis

I'm done for the day. That is really, really messed up, Omis. Pressure gets on you, you promise to make responses, wait for days, and then just up and leave without answering anything?

Whoever replaces him is going to just do the whole, 'Wow, Omis is dumb. Don't know why he said this,' routine.

So lame.
 

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Omis tells me he is having some personal issues. Don't be too hard on him. Hopefully Jungle will be available and he'll come in here and tear this game up.

In the meantime.

Off with their heads!:

Marshy (2): Cacti, Tom
Cacti (1): Marshy
Omis (1): Omni

Not voting (4): Omis, Chaco, Xiivi, Nicholas1024

Deadline: Sunday, December 6th, at 11:59:59pm, EST

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
 

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Ugh, sorry. Just in a pissy mood now. I've REALLY been waiting for Omis to respond to my questions for a really long time. For him to promise twice to make a post and then just flake last second really agitates me considering he's putting in a lot of time into other mafia games.

Now we just gotta' wait for the replacement to come in and say, "Wow, sorry. Dunno' what to tell you. I don't know why Omis' said that," causing the trail to just stagnate.
 

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We can lynch Cacti. I honestly don't buy that ****. Scum have no way of winning directly after today, so I'm in no rush.

Cacti can die.

Scum has a lot to deal with when choosing kills. Because quite frankly, I have the upper hand. They choose to kill me or any of my potential targets they could fail. They don't want that.

I'm liking Omni, because I'm getting town from him.

If Cacti flips town, Marshy is auto dead tomorrow. So I'm not feeling the pressure right now.
 
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