Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Ish/Pane go solo 
. Kain will switch off vs 
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. Kain will switch off vs .
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Zync
Smash Journeyman
The worst ghey stuff marth can do to us is a Fthrow to Fthrow to spike at 0% and edgehog after it . Ish the Usmash after dancing blade doesnt work :/ its too slow for it. I still cant believe all of you guys keep talking about how free is marth, when one is Leoning our entire region :/ Maybe I dont know the MU at all and I think I do.
. Ish the Usmash after dancing blade doesnt work :/ its too slow for it. I still cant believe all of you guys keep talking about how free is marth, when one is Leoning our entire region :/ Maybe I dont know the MU at all and I think I do.
Ayce God
RIP Nova 9
what marth is dominating a entire region.
It's too slow? @_@ brb crunching numbers... yeah... if he hits with the end of 3 and beginning of 4 it's a tiny bit too slow :x guess the Marth mains I play try to delay it a bit, idk. Fair/bair should work though, try those out?The worst ghey stuff marth can do to us is a Fthrow to Fthrow to spike at 0% and edgehog after it
Marth isn't actually free, it's the Marth mains
except for the good ones, they're kinda really not free at all. Which... goes for every character 
DLA
"Their anguish was my nourishment."
Kain doesn't switch against DDD anymore. Haven't seen him use a secondary in tournament for almost a year. Also, counting pools, I'm 5-4 against Kain in the last year. Get@me wolf boards
What about between DB2 and DB3?It's too slow? @_@ brb crunching numbers... yeah... if he hits with the end of 3 and beginning of 4 it's a tiny bit too slow :x guess the Marth mains I play try to delay it a bit, idk. Fair/bair should work though, try those out?
Marth isn't actually free, it's the Marth mains
Using this thread and assuming the same shield stun as the first hit (1 frame), and also assuming forward DB (not up or down, although they're all similar frame-wise idk if Marth retreats enough during those to avoid punishment)...
So if we get hit by frames 23 and 35 (middle of each range used as an approximation), that's 12 frames, which should trade with bair (1hitstun+5jumpsquat+6startup). Then again this all depends on when during DB he hits our shield, I honestly have no idea when that is lol. Between 2 and 3 there's 16 frames if we're using the midpoints, which is enough for usmash OoS (1shieldstun+1jumpsquatcancel+12startup=14).
tl;dr idk when exactly we get hit so this is tough. Usmash works for me after DB3, so take from that what you will alternatively, we could be Wolf and jumpshine out of everything, and then dair Marth on the way down because he likes eating dairs.
EDIT: @ DLA, what's your record with Kain using Pikachu?
Forward b 2:
Hit: 21-25
End: 55
(28) >>
Forward b 3:
33-37
End: 72
(39)>>
Forward b 4:
49-54
End: 92
Hit: 21-25
End: 55
(28) >>
Forward b 3:
33-37
End: 72
(39)>>
Forward b 4:
49-54
End: 92
So if we get hit by frames 23 and 35 (middle of each range used as an approximation), that's 12 frames, which should trade with bair (1hitstun+5jumpsquat+6startup). Then again this all depends on when during DB he hits our shield, I honestly have no idea when that is lol. Between 2 and 3 there's 16 frames if we're using the midpoints, which is enough for usmash OoS (1shieldstun+1jumpsquatcancel+12startup=14).
tl;dr idk when exactly we get hit so this is tough. Usmash works for me after DB3, so take from that what you will
alternatively, we could be Wolf and jumpshine out of everything, and then dair Marth on the way down because he likes eating dairs.EDIT: @ DLA, what's your record with Kain using Pikachu?
Rizen
Smash Legend
<3Marth isn't actually free, it's the Marth mains
I nailed your spouse or lover.Get@me wolf boards
(assuming you used MK. Playing multiple characters brings a lot of conflicts of interest)
DLA
"Their anguish was my nourishment."
Lmao I just love annoying you by bringing it up. You're right though I think it's like 3-1 for you in the last year. The pika wins were a little more than a year ago. Thats ok though, you don't need to worry about my Pika anymore, my Falco's got your digits now
edit: the 5th win was with MK in pools a while ago, just before the Pika wins.
@Ishieymoro - I'm 3-1 against Kain with Pika... I'm done using Pika against him though because that MU's really stupid and requires no skill.
edit: the 5th win was with MK in pools a while ago, just before the Pika wins.
@Ishieymoro - I'm 3-1 against Kain with Pika... I'm done using Pika against him though because that MU's really stupid and requires no skill.
MCPe seems to have figured it out.
AscWolf
Smash Apprentice
Europes ikachubrawl: are free now
***** draqos (GER) on wednesday at my smashfest, pika4life (NL) 2:0 in Pools @ Agon und Charathire (GER) in a MM 2:0
and finally beat Akuma :snakebrawl:
but got only 17th @ agon
beat Dueler X :gwbrawl: again, then lost to (S!C) 0:2 :wariobrawl: first Match was even.
Then I lost to Yikarurs :diddybrawl: he plays so gay lol
ikachubrawl: are free now***** draqos (GER) on wednesday at my smashfest, pika4life (NL) 2:0 in Pools @ Agon und Charathire (GER) in a MM 2:0
and finally beat Akuma :snakebrawl:
but got only 17th @ agon
beat Dueler X :gwbrawl: again, then lost to (S!C) 0:2 :wariobrawl: first Match was even.
Then I lost to Yikarurs :diddybrawl: he plays so gay lol
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Kain doesn't switch against DDD anymore. Haven't seen him use a secondary in tournament for almost a year. Also, counting pools, I'm 5-4 against Kain in the last year. Get@me wolf boards
Lmao I just love annoying you by bringing it up. You're right though I think it's like 3-1 for you in the last year. The pika wins were a little more than a year ago. Thats ok though, you don't need to worry about my Pika anymore, my Falco's got your digits now
edit: the 5th win was with MK in pools a while ago, just before the Pika wins.
@Ishieymoro - I'm 3-1 against Kain with Pika... I'm done using Pika against him though because that MU's really stupid and requires no skill.
Ayce God
RIP Nova 9
pika4life is really good
MegaRobMan
Smash Hero
ROB v D3 isn't currently considered -3 I can see it happening at some point.Yeah, ROB with his -3s against MK and DDD as well as -2s against ZSS, Olimar, Falco and Snake is surely better than Wolf.
ZSS is probably -3 it's just Zamus mains are too lazy to learn foot stool infinite.
Snake I've always been on the fence about ROB is fine vs him up until trying to land KO moves.
BTW Fox V ROB is pretty bad too
Rizen
Smash Legend
"This is Rizen with Wolf security. Is everything alright?"
/South Park inside joke
"Okay, I'm sending a cop car with blankets and cocoa."
/South Park inside joke
Happy birthday Kain! :D
I just bought my tickets for GA. Today's a good day.
I just bought my tickets for GA. Today's a good day.
Rizen
Smash Legend
Happy Birthday Kain
Ayce God
RIP Nova 9
ROB also has a -8 matchup vs the UPS man
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Rizen
Smash Legend
I voted yesterday.
/bad mood
/bad mood
FinallyJust bought tickets for Lp & myself for Apex!
PM me your flight info so I can set stuff up.
KRDsonic
Smash Master
bbl going off to meet a bunch of furries I've never met. Be back monday.
AlexoftheAura
yaylatias.gif
Isn't that how most horror movies start?
*Cam*
Smash Lord
So I got some anonymous .bin files dropped off in the Alabama Smash League's dropbox. It looks like some FL Pikachu/Ice Climbers player losing to some random GA Wolf. You guys know anything about that?
Dynomite
Smash Champion
So i found that if you lightstep > jump > side B on battlefield you can actually land on the top platform. This can be used as a pretty cool mixup or recovery, especially against falco if you dont wanna get grabbed and lose a stock.
Also something not as useful: If you lightstep > jump > side B > cancel at the very end, you can grab the other ledge of the stage of smashville.
Also something not as useful: If you lightstep > jump > side B > cancel at the very end, you can grab the other ledge of the stage of smashville.
tekkie
Smash Master
MCPeePants beating some scrub i guess
Rizen
Smash Legend
What is the best thing to do when caught in Falco's jabs? DI out and reset the situation? DI up? Shine? Shield? Falco seems to have a good response to everything after a well spaced jab :[ .
Upload please? :3
Yep, I do this all the time. It's pretty good but opponents can still punish it with a read because it's not that fast. Same with the SV one, but for that I prefer to lightstep > fair/AD > upB to the other ledge from under the stage
On BF, I like to follow it up with platform drop > shine when people are giving chase but are too slow for the guaranteed punish.The move cancels too damn fast to reliably DI behind a good Falco player :/ I just try to DI away ad reset to neutral.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
As soon as Ryker surrenders my capture card, then I'll upload. The world deserves to know.
MegaRobMan
Smash Hero
If those matches are both on FD, it might be me vs Saint from Lux's tournament a few weeks ago.
In other news...
Someone needs to pay for my flight to Apex so I can teach my fellow Wofl's how to fight IC's and DeDeDe.
In other news...
Someone needs to pay for my flight to Apex so I can teach my fellow Wofl's how to fight IC's and DeDeDe.
Flights aren't really that expensive... :x
MegaRobMan
Smash Hero
Psh, that's why I volunteered others to do it.
Gull, you can play that way with WOLF if you choose to
Also Gh3b says that he's gonna fly me out to Germany. Being a stream monster rules.
<3 Luminoth64fan
Edit: Attaboy seagull, that's ALMOST how you do it, but you went cross screen double jump hard commit into Lux's shield, can't do that normally, got lucky he dropped it instantly.
Gull, you can play that way with WOLF if you choose to
Also Gh3b says that he's gonna fly me out to Germany. Being a stream monster rules.
<3 Luminoth64fan
Edit: Attaboy seagull, that's ALMOST how you do it, but you went cross screen double jump hard commit into Lux's shield, can't do that normally, got lucky he dropped it instantly.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
I was teasing; I know exactly who it is. It's M.C.PeePants beating ESAM in Loser's Finals at Battle and Brew in GA.