With My Smash Support, No Retreat - Dr. Eggman Thread

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how is that the worst thing that could happen? There are lots of characters that could work well as echoes of characters from different series.
I don't know about it being the worst thing that could happen, but given the reaction to Ganondorf being a Falcon clone, and how it's taken him four games to get a sword in his regular moveset, I can't imagine it would be received well.
 
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I don't know about it being the worst thing that could happen, but given the reaction to Ganondorf being a Falcon clone, and how it's taken him four games to get a sword in his regular moveset, I can't imagine it would be received well.
Yeah, turning one of the most iconic video game villains in history like Eggman into a Echo Fighter if that's even possible, would make a bunch of people very ****** off. The reaction would be even more negative than the reaction for Falcondorf.
 
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how is that the worst thing that could happen?
Where do I even begin describing the thousands of reasons why this is a terrible idea? It'd be completely disrespectful to those characters and their original games if they didn't even bother to make an attempt to adapt their original gameplay or lore to Smash. What would even be the point of adding newcomers from entirely different series if they're just going to be echoes of existing characters? The reason why nobody cares right now is because echoes come from the same series as the characters they're based on. They don't have the excuse to be lazy anymore like they were in Melee with Ganondorf.

If echoes were made that were main protagonists of completely different series, then not only would fans be rightfully outraged but it would also be completely wasted potential. I certainly would be furious if Earthworm Jim got in only to be a Fox echo. There's so much they could've adapted from Jim's original games and instead they wasted all that potential on giving him the same moveset as Fox. It's unnecessary, mean-spirited, and destructively lazy.
 

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I don't know about it being the worst thing that could happen, but given the reaction to Ganondorf being a Falcon clone, and how it's taken him four games to get a sword in his regular moveset, I can't imagine it would be received well.
I can understand that, though I figure echo fighters would be generally delegated to characters that aren't quite as popular or important as ganondorf. Characters on par with Eggman and the character himself would never be echoes, I'm merely saying smaller, supporting roll characters could work as echoes to differing franchise fighters.

Where do I even begin describing the thousands of reasons why this is a terrible idea? It'd be completely disrespectful to those characters and their original games if they didn't even bother to make an attempt to adapt their original gameplay or lore to Smash. What would even be the point of adding newcomers from entirely different series if they're just going to be echoes of existing characters? The reason why nobody cares right now is because echoes come from the same series as the characters they're based on. They don't have the excuse to be lazy anymore like they were in Melee with Ganondorf.

If echoes were made that were main protagonists of completely different series, then not only would fans be rightfully outraged but it would also be completely wasted potential. I certainly would be furious if Earthworm Jim got in only to be a Fox echo. There's so much they could've adapted from Jim's original games and instead they wasted all that potential on giving him the same moveset as Fox. It's unnecessary, mean-spirited, and destructively lazy.
I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that important characters from entirely new franchise should simply be made into echoes of existing fighters, I'm simply saying that characters that aren't important enough or worth it enough to be made into wholly original fighters. An example of this could be Magnus from KI:U, pretending he isn't already an Assist Trophy, could easily be made into an echo fighter of a character like Ike or maybe even cloud. Nowhere did I state that a character like Eggman SHOULD just be an echo instead of a wholly original fighter, since I assume is the whole reason you're saying this. In fact I don't even think Eggman could be an echo to begin with, I was merely saying that a character from a different series could be an echo fighter and would open up a lot of possibilities.

It also seems that your argument could apply to echoes as a whole. I'm not sure why you're arguing the point against totally new franchises being added as echoes only when I never even hinted at that to begin with.
 
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It also seems that your argument could apply to echoes as a whole. I'm not sure why you're arguing the point against totally new franchises being added as echoes only when I never even hinted at that to begin with.
Alright, I didn't understand that you were talking about tertiary characters to franchises being added as echoes. That doesn't seem as bad, but still, I don't see the point. Smash already has way too many boring filler characters already and I'd like to avoid another situation where an important character like Ganondorf gets treated so poorly.
 
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To echo something I said in another thread, Eggman doesn't have the red flags of Assist trophies and Mii costumes the other main Sonic characters have, just a spirit... That's prominently in the menu's Spirits image for all to see, but still? Also a unique second 3rd party franchise rep is as of yet unprecedented, but so was any second 3rd party franchise reps over a year ago, and maybe Sonic could be the one to get that instead of a clone?

He might be a bit too conceptually similar to Bowser Jr, and not the most requested of the bunch, but he's the longest standing, big non-Sonic Sonic character around, though they might be giving the other blue third party with an evil doctor antagonist the cold shoulder here...
 

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Whelp, after all this time, I decided to change around the Eggman moveset I made a while ago and make a solo moveset for him.
Here's a link to the full image elsewhere, since Smashboards compresses images so harshly: https://www.flickr.com/photos/184893183@N07/49166506396/in/dateposted-public/

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Originally the Eggman and Metal Sonic moveset was made moreso for the idea of having two characters intertwined like that than it was to give those two characters movesets, but I ended up falling in love with the idea of Eggman using the Eggwalker from SA2 in smash, so I figured I'd flesh it out a bit. Likewise, I also fell in love with the idea of Tails becoming playable by riding in the Tornado III from SA2, so I will probably make an altered version of this moveset to work with Tails, seeing as not everything can be translated over 1-1, of course.
 
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Whelp, after all this time, I decided to change around the Eggman moveset I made a while ago and make a solo moveset for him.
Here's a link to the full image elsewhere, since Smashboards compresses images so harshly: https://www.flickr.com/photos/184893183@N07/49166506396/in/dateposted-public/

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Originally the Eggman and Metal Sonic moveset was made moreso for the idea of having two characters intertwined like that than it was to give those two characters movesets, but I ended up falling in love with the idea of Eggman using the Eggwalker from SA2 in smash, so I figured I'd flesh it out a bit. Likewise, I also fell in love with the idea of Tails becoming playable by riding in the Tornado III from SA2, so I will probably make an altered version of this moveset to work with Tails, seeing as not everything can be translated over 1-1, of course.
Question: Is up-special and down-special supposed to be the same move or was that by accident?
 

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I've never commented on this thread before? "I don't believe this!" With Tails and Knuckles as Mii costumes and Knuckles and Shadow as ATs, it looks increasingly likely that Robotnik is Sonic fan's last best shot to get another representative in Smash.


Robotnik could be a spectacular fighter, and one of the best pitches for him came from this video:


Just thinking about his potential reveal trailer gets me really hoping he's in. Something like:


It should take place at a Sonic event hosted by or attended by Sega. The reveal is animation-based, drawn and spearheaded by Tyson Hesse who is largely responsible for the intro to Sonic Mania, the Sonic Mania Adventures and other recent cartoon shorts, and the re-design/fix of movie Sonic.

"Modern" Sonic is running around a beach-themed area. It looks like it's from Sonic Adventure. The fans' hype intensities--could this be linked to the rumored Sonic Adventure remake?

Sonic runs past the boardwalk/pier as killer whales jumps over. It is lighthearted romp. Tails flies in and beams at Sonic; Sonic smirks and speeds off, almost daring Tails to catch up.

Sonic gets too close to the water's edge, and upon taking a sharp turn, sprays water onto a now visibly-agitated Knuckles, who was sunbathing on a beach chair. Sonic is oblivious to this and continues running, closing his eyes for a moment in sheer self-satifact--

BAM! Stars. Birds. Blackness. Sonic hit something. Or maybe something hit Sonic. Knuckles?

Sonic, still groggy, turns his attention upwards. You see a close-up of the side of his face. Almost a mirror image of the Inkling in her reveal trailer. A fireball is reflected in Sonic's eye. No...not a fireball...it gets closer, bigger--a checkered wrecking ball, reflected off the sun. Sonic leaps out of the way at the last second.

Sonic looks up. A look of anger and surprise. Tails flies over next to him. Followed by Knuckles.

A silhouette object in the sky reveals itself to be Robotnik in his Egg-O-Matic flying vehicle. He pulls a Smash envelope from his breast pocket and laughs to convey he came across it from "less than legitimate" means.

He winds up his vehicle and Smashes the wrecking ball again with the splash page of "EGGMAN...CRACKS HIS WAY IN" or something like that.

And of course at some point during the conclusion of the gameplay segment, Sonic along with the Tails and Knuckles Mii fighters are teaming up against him.
 
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whelp, there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to post this, so I suppose I'll post it here:

Chaos Moveset.jpg


A Chaos moveset! I just had this idea rattling around in the back of my head for a while now and decided to finally to put it to "paper." As usual, here's a link to it on Flickr, since it's not as easily read here on Smashboards, due to image compression: https://www.flickr.com/photos/184893183@N07/49910003507/in/dateposted-public/
 
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