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Err, you do realize that Lucario can move the beam however he likes after he's fired it, right?
So just use them when you can hit people with them, and practice getting better at them. Like any other attack.
No he can't. He can only move it slightly. Not enough to make much of a difference. I've seen it in use in 4-man FFA's with only casual players who all managed to dodge it.
For the love of sexy men, read up on Final Smashes. Or just watch them in action... or read my friggin' posts. All of the ones I mentioned are too slow, too sucky and too easy to dodge to ever hit with. Some are even so bad that even if they hit, it's no biggie. In fact, their forwardsmashes are far superior to them hitting with their FS:es (Lucas/Ness).
So anyone who argues for Smash Balls shouldn't be in the "Should we use Smash Balls" thread.
You were using it as if it were an absolute to suggest that Smash Ball supporters should leave. That was blatantly obvious. Denying that by picking apart your own words is sad.
You have?
I'm of the mindset that Smashballs shouldn't be in, and that reason alone is bull****. Smashballs are different from character to character, you're saying since Fox's shine is superior to G&W's bucket that down Bs should be banned (to take an example from earlier in this thread.) Now once again, I'm not saying they should be in, but please, pick the right reasons (like your first two)! And 4 is purely opinion.
It's not my fault if you can't play Smash Bros. Try a different game if you don't know how to play this one.
Anyone see the irony in this?
How is it ironic. I see no problem using them effectively, he can't see any way to use them at all.
QFT .
I meant what I said the way I said it the first time. Just because you assumed I meant something different, doesn't mean that is what I meant. "Blatantly obvious"... that's funny.
Sorry for the doublepost, but reverse that. ZSS is less screwed than Samus thanks to the speed taunt transformation. It's SAMUS players that are screwed since she cannot revert back to Samus without a Smashball.
Oh no! Your argument crushed all of my valid arguments! I mean, who can argue against that! You're obviously a great Brawl player (though you've never played the game, wheras I have) while I suck because I can't hack the game and magically make sucky FS:es good.
How about you explain how to use them effectively, oh Wise One instead of saying "Because I say so and you suck for not being able to do what I refuse to tell you about". So far, no one has found a good use for, say, Lucario's FS. Especially not a set-up which makes sure it hits (which you claim exists).
Imagine if Fox's shine auto KO:ed you wherever you stood on the stage, no matter what damage you're at, if the hitbox was that he lunged forward as far as he could grab and that he could combo into it from pretty much every single move he had. Now imagine that Game & Watch's Down B is a big beam of light which can't be steered at all (almost), which is so slow on startup it takes 2+ seconds for the beam to actually come out once you go into an obvious "I'm preparing to use my beam"-move.
Yeah, it's pretty funny all right. I guess that post saying that Smash Ball supporters were probably never gonna play competitively and should therefore leave was a joke, right? Because I don't see why else you would say that if you weren't trying to put down Smash Ball supporters as a whole.
You haven't supported any of your claims at all other than, "IT'S OBVIOUS." They're not valid if they have no support other than "well just look at it it can't possibly work."
Well duh, that was the point. It's called ironic sarcasm.
Reply to my last post.
No, Crushed has not played the game if I'm interpreting his posts correctly (he's "seen videos of FS:es in use").
I was trying to put them done as whole. However, I did leave an out for those supporters who actually intend to play competitively. Stop arguing with me about my own words. I meant what I said, don't try to tell me otherwise.
Yes... I... have. You've even quoted posts where I explained, in detail, why certain FS:es are so bad they're next-to-useless, especially in comparison to Top Tier FS:es like Marth's.
Yeah, there's no possible way practicing will magically make Lucario's FS good. Have you seen it in use? Have you even read my description of how it works? You cannot make it good. It's impossible.
You explained scenarios where you could easily defeat your opponent. I suppose in comparison to Marth's they're not as good, but that's like saying that Marth's charged B makes all other characters' B's unbalanced.
I told you. Practice and learn how to use them when they're in a good position to be used.
Yes, I've seen it, and read your description. Still don't understand how it's impossible.
Because I don't understand how anyone who plays a fighting game can call attacks useless. They all have uses just as good as the rest, and they all have proper times to be used. For them to be impossible to use effectively is impossible in and of itself.
When your playing a game with 4 people even in 1v1 if your good you can easily hit people with lucario's fs and as for ness and lucas FS it is almost impossible to dodge them especially in a 4 player ffa its very hard to dodge them, Lucas and ness FS is actually very powerful
Some look shiny, others have pretty colors, and some just look awesome.
Well, for starters, you might want to not lie through your teeth about what I've said. I've read everything in the thread, I never said "Because I say so!" I never made assumptions, I never said that they sucked at the game or were bad players, I never said that you could make or ensure any attack hits (that's an odd claim you've given to me out of nowhere, given that it's an impossibility).
I still don't see that as a game breaking aspect. It just changes it up a bit. Who cares if you are constantly looking for the smash ball too appear? It just becomes part of the game.
I did? I wrote out scenarios where it became obvious certain Final Smashes are so useless they can never hit smart players.
Yeah, there is none. Just because you say there is does not mean there is. Shut up and go away, I've lost all patience with you.
Because you can't read? Explain to me a single scenario where Lucario's FS would hit anyone with a brain.
No they don't. Some attacks are just useless. Just because it's a fighting game doesn't mean every single attack in the game has a use. Who the hell made use of Ganondorf's F-tilt? Point me towards a single player who's made good use of it consistently instead of randomly lucking out and hitting with it.
Tournaments are played as 4 player Free-For-Alls since when? Lucas' and Ness' Final Smashes are so bad that even if they hit, no one would ever die from them since the knockback is almost non-existent.
Best argument ever
what game are you playing wimpy brawl? almost everytime iv hit someone with star storm it has killed them there is going to be exceptions if it is a big stage but on general stages there is a high chance of dying when getting hit by 1 and now if you get hit by 1 and then by another bam your done