Why Sheik will Return

[Fawriel]

But they do have facts. Being a pretty major role in one Zelda game is enough to warrant being in. Who's that blue dude with the hat that was in one Mario game that everyone is supporting and will probably get in? Oh right, GENO, who had a similar role to Sheik in the Zelda series.

the bolded points I don't agree with at all.

first bolded- If it was, why would the Zelda series get an item from oot and mm (Deku Nut) which wasn't an item in TP? Also the Tingle trophy isn't in TP style. This argument is very weak.

2nd- You have no proof of that. INFACT Sheik was shown before Zelda in one of the earlier trailors, that Zelda herself wasn't even shown in. And there are newer character? Really? Like who? Who "new" can fight besides Vaati? Tingle? Tetra? Midna? None of them are even close to being a fighter as Sheik, and Sheik has presedant of being in Melee and having no one else in her series able to "fill her moves" like Lucas/Ness.

3rd- I like Sheik not because she's good for "noobs" but because she is a unique character and still a unique concept in Brawl. No other character shown in Brawl can switch freely without any penalty. Samus can't switch on will, and PT comes with stamina. Zelda/Sheik relation is still unique to the Smash games.

4th- Again... there are? People need to understand Midna can't fight, she was no better than a parasite in TP. She would require Wolf Link, and evident from ZSS and Samus being the same character, it appears Sakurai wants to avoid putting more than one "form" of a character into the game. Tingle can't fight, by your logic Skull Kid isn't new enough and couldn't POSSIBLY be updated AT ALL the thought of updating a character from Oot. That leaves Vaati, and it Young Link AND Sheik are cut and only replaced by Vaati, that still leaves the Zelda series, a major Nintendo series, down by one character from the last game. Think about the Zelda series and how Link, Ganon, Zelda, Vaati and Tingle are probably the only reocurring characters with any real meaning in the game, and the latter really wouldn't work in Brawl.

People forget the logic behind them using TP Zelda. She ISN'T TP Zelda, she, for all we know, could just be an updated version of Oot Zelda. Brawl Zelda is merely Oot Zelda in Brawl style, and brawl style happens to be similar to TP. TP Zelda was an updated version of Oot Zelda, which brawl is also using to update oot zelda.

Seriously, the arguments against Sheik are just as weak, if not weaker than those for Sheik. Using facts like the lack of Zelda information, lack of playable Zelda, lack of Zelda updates like FS and moves and official documentation that Sheik is somewhere in Brawl, and in Brawl style.

1st: Every actual Zelda character so far is in TP style, and playable characters is what we are talking about here. If you want to argue that this makes Sheik more likely as an AT, go ahead.

2nd: Sheik did no fighting at all in her game. All her ninjaing was restricted to sneaking up on Link and later going poof. Tetra fought more. Midna fought more. Even Tingle has his own game where he swings a sword around and stuff. This part of your argument basically amounts to "OMFG NINJA".
On a side-note, I'm starting to get annoyed at people calling her a ninja in the first place. Can anyone here give an educated ( I repeat, "educated" ) analysis of what the similarities are between Sheikah and ninjas besides what Sakurai has made out of the concept in Melee?

3rd: "Without a penalty"? Turning into one of the worst characters in the game doesn't seem like a pro to me.
And I suppose there's a reason for the stamina thing applied to the Pokemon, which might just as well find its way into Zelda/Sheik for the same reason.

4th: *chortles*
Midna can't fight. Dear god.
I'll spare you the snide remarks I could throw your way for this whole paragraph.

OoT Zelda in Brawl style. That's... nice. And it... like... makes sense or something. Kind of. Almost. Well. No.

I'm looking forward to Ganondorf's revelation on the Dojo, with a TP look and TP abilities. I wonder how you are still going to justify that Zelda is OoT Zelda except not.

 

[SiD]

****it Fawriel, his point was only that she is TP Zelda only by style, and not by definition.

Also, and please don't make this part of the argument again, how is he wrong about Midna? How would she fight without Wolf Link? (<--Real question)

 

[Fawriel]

****it Fawriel, his point was only that she is TP Zelda only by style, and not by definition.

Also, and please don't make this part of the argument again, how is he wrong about Midna? How would she fight without Wolf Link? (<--Real question)

1st: Ah.

2nd: I don't remember everything from TP terribly well, but she proved to be quite agile with her levitation ability, doing aerial flips all across the roof of Hyrule Castle, she has all sorts of powers that can be built upon, proven by her ability to show Link visions of people she probably never saw herself ( hinting at an ability to read minds? ), as well as her obvious ability to teleport several tons of rock around the place. And then there's her shapeshifting hand-and-spear hair.
If you go visit the Midna thread, you'll find tons and tons of movesets for her and even people arguing that Midna has more potential on her own than paired with Wolf Link, and then there's the fact that, in my opinion at least, Zamus' apparent direct link to Samus has nothing to do with displaying different versions of one character, meaning that Wolf Link is absolutely not out of question.

The bottom line is, Midna has more initial potential than Zelda and Sheik combined.

 

[vesperview]

But they do have facts. Being a pretty major role in one Zelda game is enough to warrant being in. Who's that blue dude with the hat that was in one Mario game that everyone is supporting and will probably get in? Oh right, GENO, who had a similar role to Sheik in the Zelda series.

the bolded points I don't agree with at all.

first bolded- If it was, why would the Zelda series get an item from oot and mm (Deku Nut) which wasn't an item in TP? Also the Tingle trophy isn't in TP style. This argument is very weak.

Oh please! You people are looking for every single tiny, miniscule OoT detail to warrant Sheik's inclusion, a Deku Nut item? right, as if Link's new updated weaponry, Link and Zelda's new look and the Bridge Of Eldin stage don't weigh more than a stupid Deku Nut item, and the Tingle trophy is from Wind Waker not MM and it still doesn't disprove that, and if you think Geno has a similar role in SMRPG compared to Sheik in OoT, you really haven't played SMRPG.

2nd- You have no proof of that. INFACT Sheik was shown before Zelda in one of the earlier trailors, that Zelda herself wasn't even shown in. And there are newer character? Really? Like who? Who "new" can fight besides Vaati? Tingle? Tetra? Midna? None of them are even close to being a fighter as Sheik, and Sheik has presedant of being in Melee and having no one else in her series able to "fill her moves" like Lucas/Ness.

Nice way of avoiding the sentence just before the sentence you bolded, I said that if Sheik wasn't a Zelda alter ego, she wouldn't have been in Melee, hence, she not having her own slot in the selection screen and the moveset excuse is getting tiring and stupid, those moves are invented, Sheik doesn't do anything else than playing a harp and throw a deku nut to disappear in OoT, unlike Vaati and Midna who do have moves of their own, so NO, as I said before, Sheik's moves are as invented as Captain Falcon's.

3rd- I like Sheik not because she's good for "noobs" but because she is a unique character and still a unique concept in Brawl. No other character shown in Brawl can switch freely without any penalty. Samus can't switch on will, and PT comes with stamina. Zelda/Sheik relation is still unique to the Smash games.

That happens to be your particular abnormality, Sheik was very overpowered in Melee and that's why she is n00b friendly, that's why some people don't want to lose her as their main, cause they may not find such a n00b friendly character this time around and this is not even a point to argue Sheik's inclusion in Brawl, so skip it, cause it's irrelevant.

4th- Again... there are? People need to understand Midna can't fight, she was no better than a parasite in TP. She would require Wolf Link, and evident from ZSS and Samus being the same character, it appears Sakurai wants to avoid putting more than one "form" of a character into the game. Tingle can't fight, by your logic Skull Kid isn't new enough and couldn't POSSIBLY be updated AT ALL the thought of updating a character from Oot. That leaves Vaati, and it Young Link AND Sheik are cut and only replaced by Vaati, that still leaves the Zelda series, a major Nintendo series, down by one character from the last game. Think about the Zelda series and how Link, Ganon, Zelda, Vaati and Tingle are probably the only reocurring characters with any real meaning in the game, and the latter really wouldn't work in Brawl.

How does Midna not fight? She wouldn't require Wolf Link, only someone who didn't play TP would say that, when Midna is the most important character in the game, despite you thinking she is no better than a parasite, I never brought up Tingle, Skull Kid is way old and barely a character with a cult following, Melee was his time to shine, he didn't appear there, well now it's too late, Vaati isn't a reoccurring character, he was just in Minish Cap and Four Swords, he just happens to be one of the most unique Zelda villains in recent games, something Skull Kid isn't, he is just Majora's Mask vessel, you don't even fight Skull Kid in the Final Boss Battle.

Now why don't you compare Sheik's role in OoT to Vaati's in the Minish Cap and Midna's in Twilight Princess and tell me how it turns up huh?

Cause it would go like this:

1. Midna
2. Vaati
3. Sheik

People forget the logic behind them using TP Zelda. She ISN'T TP Zelda, she, for all we know, could just be an updated version of Oot Zelda. Brawl Zelda is merely Oot Zelda in Brawl style, and brawl style happens to be similar to TP. TP Zelda was an updated version of Oot Zelda, which brawl is also using to update oot zelda.

Seriously, the arguments against Sheik are just as weak, if not weaker than those for Sheik. Using facts like the lack of Zelda information, lack of playable Zelda, lack of Zelda updates like FS and moves and official documentation that Sheik is somewhere in Brawl, and in Brawl style.

You're forgetting the awesome facts, that Zelda really doesn't have any moves of her own other than maybe light arrows or a rapier which could be her new down b, their not gonna throw away her old moveset cause they couldn't possibly come up with a new and more suitable one cause even if the moves are from OoT, they are still Nayru, Din and Farore the goddesses of the Triforce which are the creators of the Triforce which appears in all games so it makes sense to have those moves anyway, and the whole long awaited Sheik update may just be a mind game towards Sheik's deconfirmation, now please, stop arguing about how Sheik is so deserving cause she was in Melee cause that argument is not valid.

As I also stated before, if Ganondorf gets updated with the TP look, that will be the next to last nail on Sheik's coffin.

and I'd like to hear why those arguments aren't more valid than:

Sheik already has a moveset, it would go to waste.
Sheik was in Melee, she is deserving to be in Brawl.
Sheik is a NINJA.
Sakurai was sent Sheik's design for Brawl. (Yeah, probably as an AT)

Which is all i've been getting from these guys since yesterday, bottom line, they are not more valid, they are just fan made arguments, with nothing to back them up, that's why continuing this argument is pointless, there are far more reasons for Sheik to go than for Sheik to stay, the thread starter proves that and NO I'm not saying Sheik and Midna can't both be in Brawl, it would just be a waste if Sheik returns and we don't get a new Zelda rep like Midna or Vaati.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

It comes down to what you perfer. Some people perfer imps, some perfer ninjas. Those in the latter are likely more mature, in my professional opinion.

 

[vesperview]

It comes down to what you perfer. Some people perfer imps, some perfer ninjas. Those in the latter are likely more mature, in my professional opinion.

You didn't even read my post to deliver such a pathetic response, Sheik isn't a ninja!

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

It's a generalization, simian. You understand the point. Hopefully. Also, if your posts were WORTH reading, I'd maybe do just that.

Also, can we throw the TP superiority out the window? Just because TP has no Sheik, does not mean that Shiek can't be in Brawl. FLUDD is not in Mario Galaxy, but it's definately in Brawl, and Galaxy is obviously superior to Sunshine (according to majority consensus).

 

[vesperview]

It's a generalization, simian. You understand the point. Hopefully. Also, if your posts were WORTH reading, I'd maybe do just that.

Also, can we throw the TP superiority out the window? Just because TP has no Sheik, does not mean that Shiek can't be in Brawl. FLUDD is not in Mario Galaxy, but it's definately in Brawl, and Galaxy is obviously superior to Sunshine (according to majority consensus).

Oh God, maybe you don't read my posts cause you have nothing to argue, just look at the things you are bringing up? Mario and FLUDD? That's hardly like Zelda and Sheik.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

I understand if this is too complex for you, but it's really simple, I assure you:

FLUDD is not from the latest Mario game. It's still in Brawl, regardless.

Keeping this in mind, it's fair to say that:

Sheik is not from the latest Zelda game, but she could be in Brawl, regardless.

Why must you apes keep complicating things to meet your idiotic standards?? Soon things just don't MATTER anymore or even make SENSE the way you people talk.

And then it's OUR fault for "not understanding"? We should really just stick to the basics instead of arguing about a different character's importance to a different game entirely. I understand there are grey areas, but these are REALLY not worth OVER ANALYSING. The basic assumption should be:

SHEIK WAS IN MELEE, SHE *COULD*and *SHOULD* BE IN BRAWL.

How is that complicated? It's not!! IT'S THE SIMPLE LOGIC OF A SEQUEL!! How come people keep ARGUING!?!?

Any good game: UT, Counter Strike, C&C, Street Fighter, *Melee*, Halo, WHATEVER

You take a good game, with a good sequel, and guess what? THEY TAKE EVERYTHING THE FIRST ONE HAD, AND ADD ****! Smash is a good game, Brawl will be a good sequel. Why? Because they will cater to the fan-base. End of story. End of argument. If you're not using this logic when you say something, you have *NOT* been playing any decent games for the past 15 years, or have just been playing the select few you like only.

All some of you do is pick out EEEVERY little grey spot in an argument that's seemingly irrelivent and glorify it.

I can go about making philisophical argument over anything I want too. The garbage can right next to me at the moment, should be in Brawl. I'll tell you right now that I could write a 10 page essay on why it should be, by bringing up philisophical, completely opinionated, speculative argument exaggerated to the point where it borders sensibility. AND IT'D BE LEGIT!

BUT~

THE IDEA IS JUST STUPID.

This is why I'm not reading posts. This is why I troll, and this is why I can have loaded posts. STOP BEING *******. There was someone who was going around saying Zelda's new down-b should be a Tetra transformation... WHY DO I BOTHER!? I'm interested at this point to see what the average age of smashboards users are.

I'm compelled to post this everywhere.

 

[vesperview]

Oh God, I can't believe you are actually using FLUDD as an example of this, it's ridiculous and thanks for completely ignoring my points, you're one of the most one sided people I've seen on these boards.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Well if you don't like it you don't really have to stay.

On a side note, you were asking for it.

 

[Iris]

Also, can we throw the TP superiority out the window? Just because TP has no Sheik, does not mean that Shiek can't be in Brawl. FLUDD is not in Mario Galaxy, but it's definately in Brawl, and Galaxy is obviously superior to Sunshine (according to majority consensus).

That's completely different. Sunshine's the most recent console game that, you know, SSBB would have time to develop towards. TP's been out for the Gamecube for ages.

I've considered her getting a rapier moveset, but there's really not much they could do with it. The only available specials she would have would either be unoriginal sword movements or magic abilities which would be better suited for her original form. It's still a possibility though, and I suppose there's ways they could make her a more unique sword-fighter.

I'm getting really annoyed by the "Sheik's a super stealthy combat ninja" arguments. SSBM is not canon, any image they gave her there doesn't reflect at all who Sheik was. Sheik was a costume. It didn't have special abilities or anything. Zelda never fought under the Sheik costume and it had absolutely no effect on Zelda's physical abilities. It's not even a ninja, it's a tight suit with wrappings. She had pretty much 0 potential to be accurately represented and she wasn't.

Also, anyone who says ninjas are more mature than any other kind of person is clearly a lonely, obese, pre-pubescent Narutard.

 

[vesperview]

Well if you don't like it you don't really have to stay.

On a side note, you were asking for it.

Asking for what? For you to give a lame comeback as always? Priceless! I'd like to see you actually argue why Sheik should be in Brawl instead of using that stupid Ninja argument, Sheik is a Sheikah trained by Impa who is a warrior not a Ninja, but if you didn't play OoT to know that, I guess you're the one who should be leaving this thread.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

On this thread, it's basically 2 pro Sheik users against 10 anti-Sheik (transformation) users. Just like to point that out.

I'm getting really annoyed by the "Sheik's a super stealthy combat ninja" arguments. SSBM is not canon, any image they gave her there doesn't reflect at all who Sheik was. Sheik was a costume.

PLAY THE GAME, READ THE MANGA, COME BACK.

Also, anyone who says ninjas are more mature than any other kind of person is clearly a lonely, obese, pre-pubescent Narutard.

I take comfort in knowing that I do not overly support fairy princesses, or useless imps. Go fight a princess, and then a ninja, and the ntell me which one owned you harder.

Asking for what? For you to give a lame comeback as always? Priceless! I'd like to see you actually argue why Sheik should be in Brawl instead of using that stupid Ninja argument, Sheik is a Sheikah trained by Impa who is a warrior not a Ninja, but if you didn't play OoT to know that, I guess you're the one who should be leaving this thread.

Again, figure of speech my friend. I thought you got it. However she IS stealthy at times. You should know that.

 

[vesperview]

Again, figure of speech my friend. I thought you got it. However she IS stealthy at times. You should know that.

Oh so that makes her a ninja? Try again.

 

[Drake3]

Also, anyone who says ninjas are more mature than any other kind of person is clearly a lonely, obese, pre-pubescent Narutard.

I had to laugh at the harsh reality. Anyone who wants a ninja that badly can enjoy Sigma for PS3 kthx.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Are you kidding me? Please tell me that you people aren't guys. PLEASE.

So, more about the Sheik argument please Feel free to post something with any weight whatsoever.

 

[vesperview]

First argue what's already here.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

I just did. You should probably say something - anything - sensical soon before we get locked! I can go forever. I pray this thread gets locked.

 

[vesperview]

O RLY? Considering the first post is anything but stellar, this thread really serves no purpose, I can go on and on about arguments against Sheik, and you haven't even delivered a good one in her favor, but I guess you're not on the winning side, must be tough coming up with good arguments to support Sheik.

 

[Iris]

PLAY THE GAME, READ THE MANGA, COME BACK.

I did play the game, which is why I actually have a solid base for my argument, unlike you. The manga's not really canon, and considering how it conflicts with the game on many accounts, the video game describing events from the video game is much more reliable than a manga describing the video game.

Sheik is not a ninja. Sheik is not combat-oriented. Sheik is simply an alter-ego

I take comfort in knowing that I do not overly support fairy princesses, or useless imps. Go fight a princess, and then a ninja, and the ntell me which one owned you harder.

Take as much comfort in your beliefs as you want, just understand that you're going to die alone because of them.

 

[Soluble Toast]

PLAY THE GAME, READ THE MANGA, COME BACK.

The manga is in no way canon.
The game implies nowhere that Sheik is a ninja. (deku nuts and bandages do not make someone a ninja)
The game simply implies Zelda was given sheikah training, which most likely consisted of the flashy deku nuts to get her/him out of trouble if need be. Considering he/she is merely a disguise of zelda , and when reverts to Zelda she is still a frail princess, it's safe to say she does not possess "super ninja skillz" No one in the game specifically said " SHEIK'S A NINJA!"

 

[Fawriel]

kin3tic-c4jun-3, you make me appreciate vesperview. D=

... that's all I have to add. The whole argument is pretty pointless, really. To be fair, Sheik does kinda have the upper hand since she was already there and stuff, but those who have a reason to defy it will go on to argue why she shouldn't return, till the confirmation and beyond.
It's really not necessary to go sociopath megalomaniac over something like this. Which you did, or you wouldn't have resorted to calling us apes. Words like "*******" or so, I can understand, but when you start seeing your opponents as "lower lifeforms", you need to calm down and realize you're going psycho over a video game.
Which I've reported you for, by the way.

 

[Your Hero]

I understand if this is too complex for you, but it's really simple, I assure you:

FLUDD is not from the latest Mario game. It's still in Brawl, regardless.

Keeping this in mind, it's fair to say that:

Sheik is not from the latest Zelda game, but she could be in Brawl, regardless.

Why must you apes keep complicating things to meet your idiotic standards?? Soon things just don't MATTER anymore or even make SENSE the way you people talk.

And then it's OUR fault for "not understanding"? We should really just stick to the basics instead of arguing about a different character's importance to a different game entirely. I understand there are grey areas, but these are REALLY not worth OVER ANALYSING. The basic assumption should be:

SHEIK WAS IN MELEE, SHE *COULD*and *SHOULD* BE IN BRAWL.

How is that complicated? It's not!! IT'S THE SIMPLE LOGIC OF A SEQUEL!! How come people keep ARGUING!?!?

Any good game: UT, Counter Strike, C&C, Street Fighter, *Melee*, Halo, WHATEVER

You take a good game, with a good sequel, and guess what? THEY TAKE EVERYTHING THE FIRST ONE HAD, AND ADD ****! Smash is a good game, Brawl will be a good sequel. Why? Because they will cater to the fan-base. End of story. End of argument. If you're not using this logic when you say something, you have *NOT* been playing any decent games for the past 15 years, or have just been playing the select few you like only.

All some of you do is pick out EEEVERY little grey spot in an argument that's seemingly irrelivent and glorify it.

I can go about making philisophical argument over anything I want too. The garbage can right next to me at the moment, should be in Brawl. I'll tell you right now that I could write a 10 page essay on why it should be, by bringing up philisophical, completely opinionated, speculative argument exaggerated to the point where it borders sensibility. AND IT'D BE LEGIT!

BUT~

THE IDEA IS JUST STUPID.

This is why I'm not reading posts. This is why I troll, and this is why I can have loaded posts. STOP BEING *******. There was someone who was going around saying Zelda's new down-b should be a Tetra transformation... WHY DO I BOTHER!? I'm interested at this point to see what the average age of smashboards users are.

I'm compelled to post this everywhere.

Ok first off, where the HELL do you go around calling people *******. It's their opinion leave it at that.

Also you contradict yourself in one way with the Tetra scenario.
As you said, FLUDD was not in mario galaxy, it was from sunshine. Same with Tetra. She was not from Twilight Princess, but she was from Windwaker, which also isn't a recent game. Why can't she be in it if FLUDD were?

Also apparently only your opinions matter. How self-conceited are you? If "THE IDEA IS JUST STUPID" is your excuse for why you don't look at others peoples post, then you should just leave. No one asked you to come and be so rude towards Vesperview, so just **** off.

and P.S. What's the name of the thesaurus you used for your posts?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

The manga is in no way canon.
The game implies nowhere that Sheik is a ninja. (deku nuts and bandages do not make someone a ninja)
The game simply implies Zelda was given sheikah training, which most likely consisted of the flashy deku nuts to get her/him out of trouble if need be. Considering he/she is merely a disguise of zelda , and when reverts to Zelda she is still a frail princess, it's safe to say she does not possess "super ninja skillz" No one in the game specifically said " SHEIK'S A NINJA!"

Smash has already proven itself in using various manga's, animes and other things considered "non canon" for Smash bros inspiration.

Including but not limited to,
Most of Samus' trophy info about her past
Falcon's Flyer
Pokemon Voices
Various Pokemon related Trophies
Etc



Also the last two pages are summed as "i kno u r but what am i"
Stop generalizing that people are "soley" supporting Sheik because she is "noob friendly" or a "ninja" because it makes you a big man to call someone a noob or a fanboy, doesn't it.

Some people might enjoy Sheik being in the game because she IS Zelda, and because there is no simple reason to take Sheik out. The only logical argument considered is "Zelda uses TP moveset" which is completely voided by Dedede and Mario, who use moves not from their most recent games, and most recent looks.

 

[vesperview]

Sheik's fans are in way too much denial.

 

[Soluble Toast]

Smash has already proven itself in using various manga's, animes and other things considered "non canon" for Smash bros inspiration.

Including but not limited to,
Most of Samus' trophy info about her past
Falcon's Flyer
Pokemon Voices
Various Pokemon related Trophies
Etc

You're right. I'm not sure about Samus' history or Falcon's flyer , but the OOT manga was fan-made , and so isn't really official. Also , The manga makes no connection to ninjas if I remember rightly . =S

I also agree with the latter part of your post. Speculating about Sheik's playability is enjoyable for me , but when it comes down to chilidish insults , and " im kler dan joo" type comments over a video game it becomes a little too much

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Sheik's fans are in way too much denial.

about what? The facts all point to Sheik being in, moreso than anything the "counter" argument can give.

Please, someone make a counter sheik argument using relevent facts without assumptions or generalizations.

So far actual facts we have for Sheik

-She's in Brawl style, and in Brawl somewhere based on FACT


FACTS against Sheik without any generalizations or assumptions...

...
...
...none...

Everything against sheik is all speculation, while pro-sheik people have actual fact behind their belief, I won't be the one disapointed when I use downB on Zelda...

 

[Zone]

These arguments can literally go on forever.

The people who want shiek in have their points and logic to back them up and alot are legit.

The people who want shiek out of the game have their points and logic to back them up which are legit.

But sadly none of these legit small pieces of evidence and logic can really prove any % of shiek's chances of being in.

Oh they are working on shieks model? Could be for ANYTHING. If they told you they were working on mew's model that doesn't mean mew is playable. For the poke'ball? Shiek Attack Trophy? Or possibly Shiek as Playable character? All of these are possible.

Oh Zelda is from TP. TP zelda doesn't change to shiek. Well She didn't change to shiek in the entire game. But that doesn't mean she can't. No evidence pointed to the inability of her being shiek, but there was definantly none there to support she could change.

All of these points have good merit to people's logic. But it's just logic and no proof of anything. Accept that whether you think shiek is in or not is just a prediction nothing more or less. An opinion you hold based off your view of the evidence and small puzzle pieces that you put together to create your vision on why she's in or out.

So Don't call people ****** for their logic.

Don't call people dumb for holding their assumptions based of their evidence.

Understand their points, and help them understand yours.

 

[Fawriel]

So Don't call people ****** for their logic.

Don't call people dumb for holding their assumptions based of their evidence.

Understand their points, and help them understand yours.

Will you be my valentine?

 

[vesperview]

about what? The facts all point to Sheik being in, moreso than anything the "counter" argument can give.

Please, someone make a counter sheik argument using relevent facts without assumptions or generalizations.

So far actual facts we have for Sheik

-She's in Brawl style, and in Brawl somewhere based on FACT


FACTS against Sheik without any generalizations or assumptions...

...
...
...none...

Everything against sheik is all speculation, while pro-sheik people have actual fact behind their belief, I won't be the one disapointed when I use downB on Zelda...

None? Why don't you go back two pages and argue my responses to your previous arguments and see how much facts you can come up with.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

As you said, FLUDD was not in mario galaxy, it was from sunshine. Same with Tetra. She was not from Twilight Princess, but she was from Windwaker, which also isn't a recent game. Why can't she be in it if FLUDD were?

Because it would be STUPID.

ahhh, do I truly argue with 10 year olds in my spare time?

These arguments can literally go on forever.

Exactly, someone lock this already.

I did play the game, which is why I actually have a solid base for my argument, unlike you. The manga's not really canon, and considering how it conflicts with the game on many accounts, the video game describing events from the video game is much more reliable than a manga describing the video game.

Imbecile, the manga is officially recongnized by Nintendo, and sanctioned by the company. Dismissing it completely is your loss. Your solid argument is "Sheik isn't important enough, and virtually doesn't exist". Wrong, Sheik is important to that game, and denying it means you have absolutely no skill at analyzing games like that - meaning that I can NOT take you seriously.

 

[Fawriel]

Because it would be STUPID.

ahhh, do I truly argue with 10 year olds in my spare time?

Considering your style, I'd say it's a good possibility.

 

[Drake3]

Stop generalizing that people are "soley" supporting Sheik because she is a "ninja".

There was 1 person who was all for Sheik because she's a "ninja" and most of us argued that it was an inconclusive assumption. I don't see where anybody generalized Sheik supporters as such though.

She's in Brawl style, and in Brawl somewhere based on FACT

K, so you know that not every design made for a game has to be used, right?

The truth is we have nothing. The pro-Sheik side has nothing, the anti-Sheik side has nothing, because nothing about SSBB Zelda has been revealed.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Considering your style, I'd say it's a good possibility.

I won't deny it.

 

[Zone]

Because it would be STUPID.

ahhh, do I truly argue with 10 year olds in my spare time?



Exactly, someone lock this already.

You're posts are nothing, but flailing insults to people's logic. Why ask the thread to be locked. when clearly people are having a discussion amongst themselves. Has these points been said before? Most likely yes. But not everyone catches every argument that happens on the boards. I don't go through these boards reading EVERY thread to make sure I didn't miss a topic already talked about, to post my views.

"Because it would be stupid"

That's a 10 year old response to someones point of view if I ever saw one.

People are putting their logic together to show the pieces of info they have and how they came up with it.

Just leave them alone if you're so "Grown up" And calling people children. Then you would know what a grown up does. They don't add to the problem, They either solve it intellectually or they should probably just leave.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

No, the main problem is that people are arguing that a 2 foot tall cel shaded princess should be the result of a 5 foot tall mature themed princess transforming - instead of having her turn into a stealthy quick ninja (or WARRIOR if you perfer, you egotistical imbeciles).

Honestly, with logic like that, someone's going to insult you. And I'm sick of explaining myself over and OVER again. It gets to the point where you have to sink to that level.

You can't say "Remove lightning fast Sheik to make way for a magical fairy attack!" without one person telling you that may seem stupid. It's like announcing that all Hells Angels riders should paint their bikes bright pink next time they mod. Consider that some people have a certain sense of style, THAT'S ALL. I've explained before.

Starting now I'm just going to hurl insults at issues that were adressed 10 pages ago.

 

[Your Hero]

Because it would be STUPID.

ahhh, do I truly argue with 10 year olds in my spare time?

READ THE WHOLE POST before you put this crud on here.

 

[Youko]

No, the main problem is that people are arguing that a 2 foot tall cel shaded princess should be the result of a 5 foot tall mature themed princess transforming - instead of having her turn into a stealthy quick ninja (or WARRIOR if you perfer, you egotistical imbeciles).

Honestly, with logic like that, someone's going to insult you. And I'm sick of explaining myself over and OVER again. It gets to the point where you have to sink to that level.

You can't say "Remove lightning fast Sheik to make way for a magical fairy attack!" without one person telling you that may seem stupid. It's like announcing that all Hells Angels riders should paint their bikes bright pink next time they mod. Consider that some people have a certain sense of style, THAT'S ALL. I've explained before.

Starting now I'm just going to hurl insults at issues that were adressed 10 pages ago.

There is no need to continue flaming on this thread. You've been given your second warning. If you continue with that last sentence, more severe actions will be taken.

 

[Zone]

No, the main problem is that people are arguing that a 2 foot tall cel shaded princess should be the result of a 5 foot tall mature themed princess transforming - instead of having her turn into a stealthy quick ninja (or WARRIOR if you perfer, you egotistical imbeciles).

Honestly, with logic like that, someone's going to insult you. And I'm sick of explaining myself over and OVER again. It gets to the point where you have to sink to that level.

You can't say "Remove lightning fast Sheik to make way for a magical fairy attack!" without one person telling you that may seem stupid. It's like announcing that all Hells Angels riders should paint their bikes bright pink next time they mod. Consider that some people have a certain sense of style, THAT'S ALL. I've explained before.

Starting now I'm just going to hurl insults at issues that were adressed 10 pages ago.

I can understand your frustration. But do understand you point is still just logic and not proof. who's to say they can't make her look more graphically inclined to change into w/e that cel shaded princess is to TP graphic looks. my OPINION is to agree with you that it would be extremely low. imo like .00001% but it's still my opinion. Cuz Frankly it could still happen and if it did I don't wanna be told "I told you so"

You already made your point? then why are you continuing to argue? IF they ignore your points. and restate their point against yours, and don't acknowledge your logic as well as theirs. Then there is nothing you can do. people are naturally stubborn and don't want to lose an argument on the view they were holding.

But don't stoop low as you claim you "Have to" it's not necessary.