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I love how you took a totally off-topic and random comparison and acted as if all of a sudden you've nullified the other argument with it.
Guys. Illegal immigration is not purely a matter of morals and "HELP PEOPLE YOU'RE BEING ELITIST BY DENYING THEM RIGHTS." In fact, the biggest issue about it is the ECONOMY.
Who is going to paying for the healthcare?
Taxpayers.
Due to illegal immigrants being ILLEGAL, they aren't registered. Whether this is a desired side-effect or not, can they pay taxes if not registered?
No.
Therefore, illegal immigrants are, in general, sapping the economy without giving very much back to it.
And I dare someone to tell me how much they'll take jobs regular Americans won't take. Dare you.
You're worried about how your taxes are being spent, and the war is part of them. Your taxes could be going to health care, which would be saving more lives than the war. You're right though, we're not talking about the war. Although, our citizens are the ones dying in the war.
No need to make baseless arguments. Nowhere, did I imply I nullified his argument. You're simply making things up. Starting off a post with a personal attack is pretty rude. I would expect more than finger pointing from someone with "Smash Debater" under their name.
Guys. Illegal immigration is not purely a matter of morals and "HELP PEOPLE YOU'RE BEING ELITIST BY DENYING THEM RIGHTS." In fact, the biggest issue about it is the ECONOMY.
Illegal immigration IS about morals. Denying people basic health care because they don't speak our native language is elitist and absurd. I don't know what you're getting at, illegal immigration being an issue in our economy...
You're implying, that people who work for less than the average American, working the jobs that nobody will take, are sapping our economy. If you think some childish dare will stop me from saying that, then you're not fit to be a debater. They're taking the jobs we don't want, and doing it for less. That's healthy for our economy. I dare you to say it's not, because it is. I made a dare. Thus, this cannot be argued.
He never did. You are correct. He brought up, that Health Care would increase his taxes. I replied, saying the war is increasing our taxes. I was trying to make a point that instead of raising taxes for health care, we could drop the war in Iraq, freeing up tax money, for socialized health care. The war is completely relevant to our taxes.I DARE you to say otherwise.
I sincerely hope that you thought I was trying to tug at your heart strings, bringing up war randomly.
The biggest thing in the way becoming a citizen to any illegal immigrant, is learning English. It's a complicated language made up by various rules, some contradicting each other, random words making random exceptions.
Moral Character, is a requirement. If they don't think you're a moral person, you don't get to be a citizen. More hoops people have to jump through.
Deportation is a joke anyways. Once they get here they just need to have children in order to stay. Now we have legal immigrants, without health care, because of how they got here. Of course, they're within the law now, and they are allowed to stay.
Now we have people without green cards, without citizenship, and they are here to stay. Denying them health care, even when they are within the law, is prejudice.
Soooooooooooo. . . . . . despite the fact that Health care is already a huge part of our budget, we shouldn't try to come up with a new system to drive down our cost? I fail to see the logic.
These people are already being payed for by the government when they come into the hospital. So, either we included them in our health care plan, or we, the tax payers, continue to pay for them.
So, they pay for themselves, or we pay for them, what's your choice?
I will not give money so that I can give illegal immigrants a chunk of healthcare, because those stupid illegal immigrants should not even be here in the first place. They are illegally in the United States, and should not be REWARDED with healthcare, and to have anyone think this is absolutely moronic.
Hypothetical: Let us assume that a sizeable portion of the United States, say 25%, was addicted to heroin. Obviously, and appropriately, the use of heroin is illegal and looked down upon. Now, suppose the president or Congress were to pass a bill that says "you, as a citizen of the United States, should help support these illegal heroin addicts by supplying them with housing, needles at their request, and if need be, you must pay for their rehabilitation and cleansing processes".
Now, Maniclysane, are you going to tell me that you would support this? Because, in reality, this is exactly what you are telling me about these illegal immigrants.
"L0l, they are already here, let's just give them our healthcare, kthx".
No, that's stupid and does not support my OWN goals in life.
You know why, Manicylsane, your points are so flawed? You assume that each and every illegal immigrant comes to America "for the better life, for a second chance". That is complete and utter bull****, and you are ignorant for believing anything else, especially when the facts are laid out in front of you.
If immigrants truly deserve healthcare, they should go through the correct, governmental process of naturalization. No, I do not give two ****s how long the process takes, it's a sacrifice. If those people honestly want to come to America, they should have no problem sacrificing their time for the LEGAL way of doing things.
Call me selfish, whatever, I honestly couldn't care.
Answer me this:
Why should I strive to be successful, make money, and earn an amazing living in life just so I can give my money away to BUMS who F*CKED UP their lives?
No need to make baseless arguments. Nowhere, did I imply I nullified his argument. You're simply making things up. Starting off a post with a personal attack is pretty rude. I would expect more than finger pointing from someone with "Smash Debater" under their name.
You said nothing more than "Oh hey well look, there's war going on, taxes go towards that, that shouldn't happen either." Your post most certainly did imply that that was somehow a good argument against someone being unhappy with paying taxes towards healthcare. I can see you have an explanation for this further down, but if you honestly expected such a derivation to be drawn from it without any guidance, you're sadly mistaken. At least acknowledge the fact that you were unclear in your main point.
Also, I suggest you learn what a personal attack is before accusing me of starting off a post with one. Nowhere did I attack any part of your personality, and trying to somehow discredit me by pretending I'm being totally rude to you isn't appreciated.
*Waits to be told I'm making even more things up*
And if I had a nickel for every time I take place in a debate OUTSIDE the Debate Hall and get told that either A) "LOL this is the kind of person that gets called a "debater"?", or B) "I expect more from a Debater.", I would be rich now.
Seriously guys, it's not cute and it's really quite annoying to be unable to take place in any debate without being told how my title of "Smash Debater" should be revoked.
Illegal immigration IS about morals. Denying people basic health care because they don't speak our native language is elitist and absurd. I don't know what you're getting at, illegal immigration being an issue in our economy...
You're right, let's just make it our goal in life to help everyone no matter what the cost of our economy is. Let's donate millions to every charity we can.
The point being that, while morals should be the foundation of laws, you cannot base laws SOLELY on morals. If it's going to hit our economy hard to do something, logic dictates that we should not do it unless it is of utmost importance. In this case, it isn't.
If the people in Mexico really want health care and are going to be denied health care in the US because they're illegally there...
WHY DON'T THEY STAY IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY?
You're implying, that people who work for less than the average American, working the jobs that nobody will take, are sapping our economy. If you think some childish dare will stop me from saying that, then you're not fit to be a debater. They're taking the jobs we don't want, and doing it for less. That's healthy for our economy. I dare you to say it's not, because it is. I made a dare. Thus, this cannot be argued.
Again with the obnoxious "You aren't fit to be a debater" crap. This isn't the Debate Hall, therefore my Debater status is IRRELEVANT.
For someone who started off the post complaining about my personal attacks, you sure are attacking my character a fair amount.
And the "dare" wasn't "OHLOL TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO ASK ME". You need to expand your scope of things and think for a minute about who besides children use the word dare, and in what context it's used.
I meant that it's a really stupid argument and you really shouldn't bring it up, but if you insist...
Do you honestly think that, especially in this economy, someone who is jobless is going to say "Ew that job is too low for me, I'm not taking it"? That makes absolutely no sense. And if an illegal immigrant ever decides to go for a job that an American would take, but they, as you said, will do it for less, who's going to get the job? Most likely the guy willing to do it for less. What do you think that does for unemployment?
Also, did you read my post? THEY are getting aid from the government in whatever form. THEY are not paying taxes. They are SAPPING money from the economy without giving anything back, tax-wise. Why do you think it's illegal for a regular citizen to not pay their taxes?
And for heaven's sake, I said the "dare" thing as saying "Go ahead, make the argument, it's one of the most senseless points in the debate over illegal immigration".
Seriously, I find it really ironic how you keep referencing how stupid it is that I do something and then you turn around and do the EXACT same thing. You say I'm doing "childish dares" and then you start mocking me. If this is a legitimate debate, I'm not sure where mocking is relevant.
He never did. You are correct. He brought up, that Health Care would increase his taxes. I replied, saying the war is increasing our taxes. I was trying to make a point that instead of raising taxes for health care, we could drop the war in Iraq, freeing up tax money, for socialized health care. The war is completely relevant to our taxes.I DARE you to say otherwise.
(Then next time, explain that and don't get upset when people can't derive it from "War is raising taxes too.", please...)
War is relevant to our taxes (I know you seem to put me on the level of a fifth grader, but I actually DO understand how taxes work), but it's not relevant to this health care debate in just about any way except for that one way that you thought of it. I didn't say war wasn't relevant to taxes, I said it wasn't relevant to the point that socialized health care would raise our taxes.
That's not how it works, anyways. Iraq is already on the way out, if you haven't noticed, and whatever remaining cost of war will NOT make up for an entire socialized health care system. You're oversimplifying this whole thing quite a bit if you think you can cut off a war and suddenly all economical problems are solved. Oh hey I'm cleverly hiding my text. And while I'm at it, I DARE you to stop patronizing me.
The biggest thing in the way becoming a citizen to any illegal immigrant, is learning English. It's a complicated language made up by various rules, some contradicting each other, random words making random exceptions.
Then the answer is reforming the path to citizenship, not "Screw following the law, it's unfair so there's no reason to regard any piece of it."
Deportation is a joke anyways. Once they get here they just need to have children in order to stay. Now we have legal immigrants, without health care, because of how they got here. Of course, they're within the law now, and they are allowed to stay.
Yes, and this is, in my opinion, a huge flaw, and one that needs to be fixed. Once again, the solution is to reform it so it's not so easy to circumvent, not to say "Well, it's not a good system so there's really no reason to follow it."
Now, does everyone see why I don't get involved in these things most of the time?
I will not give money so that I can give illegal immigrants a chunk of healthcare, because those stupid illegal immigrants should not even be here in the first place. They are illegally in the United States, and should not be REWARDED with healthcare, and to have anyone think this is absolutely moronic.
Rewarded? Health care is a necessity. I don't know what else to say to this paragraph. You're just calling me and illegal immigrants names like "moronic" and "stupid."
Hypothetical: Let us assume that a sizeable portion of the United States, say 25%, was addicted to heroin. Obviously, and appropriately, the use of heroin is illegal and looked down upon. Now, suppose the president or Congress were to pass a bill that says "you, as a citizen of the United States, should help support these illegal heroin addicts by supplying them with housing, needles at their request, and if need be, you must pay for their rehabilitation and cleansing processes".
Now, Maniclysane, are you going to tell me that you would support this? Because, in reality, this is exactly what you are telling me about these illegal immigrants.
"L0l, they are already here, let's just give them our healthcare, kthx".
No, that's stupid and does not support my OWN goals in life.
Hypothetical: Let us assume that a sizeable portion of the United States, say 25%, was addicted to heroin. Obviously, and appropriately, the use of heroin is illegal and looked down upon. Now, suppose the president or Congress were to pass a bill that says "you, as a citizen of the United States, should help support these illegal heroin addicts by supplying them with housing, needles at their request, and if need be, you must pay for their rehabilitation and cleansing processes".
There is no way you would ever be paying for those things. We're talking about Healthcare. Getting checked up on by a doctor. Getting prescriptions. Getting checked up on by the dentist too. Things that are so basic I don't see how anyone could be against them. The needles part is even more ridiculous, because that would have nothing to do with rehabilitation. The last thing they would want to do is give them more drugs...
Now, Maniclysane, are you going to tell me that you would support this? Because, in reality, this is exactly what you are telling me about these illegal immigrants.
"L0l, they are already here, let's just give them our healthcare, kthx".
No, that's stupid and does not support my OWN goals in life.
I'm sorry if my ramblings somehow made you think we should get on our knees and praise illegal immigrants, treating them like kinging and bringing them drugs when they want it, in a house that we gave them. Hypothetical or not, you were comparing it to my idea, which is blown way out of proportion.
Oh, health care for everyone is one of MY goals. Having sick people all around me, everywhere I go, is not how I want to live my life.
You know why, Manicylsane, your points are so flawed? You assume that each and every illegal immigrant comes to America "for the better life, for a second chance". That is complete and utter bull****, and you are ignorant for believing anything else, especially when the facts are laid out in front of you.
What?! Why would illegal immigrants come to America, for a life worse than theirs in their old country? They ARE coming here for a better life. Mexico is a country where the drug cartel own more money and resources than the government. They run the place. They come here to make a better life. I don't know how you can say otherwise.
I'd like to know what other reason they have for coming here, since my reasons are utter bull****.
If immigrants truly deserve healthcare, they should go through the correct, governmental process of naturalization. No, I do not give two ****s how long the process takes, it's a sacrifice. If those people honestly want to come to America, they should have no problem sacrificing their time for the LEGAL way of doing things.
Naturalization is a joke, like I said in my last post. We let illegal immigrants stay once they have kids here. That means, they're perfectly legal to stay in America. Now, we're putting them through hoops to get health care. That really doesn't support THEIR goal in life.
Why should I strive to be successful, make money, and earn an amazing living in life just so I can give my money away to BUMS who F*CKED UP their lives?
****ed up their lives?! They were born in a piece of **** country, so instead of being useless bums they decided to do something with their f*cked up lives. They decided to make something of themselves, similar to the American Dream. They left their country, and made their way all the way here, into the United States.
The only place where they f*cked up was being born in Mexico. Something they can't control.
I will not give money so that I can give illegal immigrants a chunk of healthcare, because those stupid illegal immigrants should not even be here in the first place. They are illegally in the United States, and should not be REWARDED with healthcare, and to have anyone think this is absolutely moronic.
Hypothetical: Let us assume that a sizeable portion of the United States, say 25%, was addicted to heroin. Obviously, and appropriately, the use of heroin is illegal and looked down upon. Now, suppose the president or Congress were to pass a bill that says "you, as a citizen of the United States, should help support these illegal heroin addicts by supplying them with housing, needles at their request, and if need be, you must pay for their rehabilitation and cleansing processes".
Now, Maniclysane, are you going to tell me that you would support this? Because, in reality, this is exactly what you are telling me about these illegal immigrants.
"L0l, they are already here, let's just give them our healthcare, kthx".
No, that's stupid and does not support my OWN goals in life.
You know why, Manicylsane, your points are so flawed? You assume that each and every illegal immigrant comes to America "for the better life, for a second chance". That is complete and utter bull****, and you are ignorant for believing anything else, especially when the facts are laid out in front of you.
If immigrants truly deserve healthcare, they should go through the correct, governmental process of naturalization. No, I do not give two ****s how long the process takes, it's a sacrifice. If those people honestly want to come to America, they should have no problem sacrificing their time for the LEGAL way of doing things.
Call me selfish, whatever, I honestly couldn't care.
Answer me this:
Why should I strive to be successful, make money, and earn an amazing living in life just so I can give my money away to BUMS who F*CKED UP their lives?
I hope you know that with this new health care system that any health care that Illegal immigrants get will be rejected, and it will also it will cut the cost of health care. I agree, illegal immigrants should not get health care. Using stupid examples does not work, UNDER THE NEW HEALTH CARE, the government wouldn't force you to pay for some else mistakes like taking heroin. Well you see the problem, with changing the I don't know government has to come from within, how do you expect this to happen with the xenophobia going on in America currently? WHY SHOULD YOU HELP OUT OTHER PEOPLE? ARE YOU ******* SERIOUS, IF YOU GOT SICK, HURT, OR LOST YOUR JOB I AM ALMOST 100 PERCENT SURE THAT YOU WOULD WANT SOME TO HELP YOU, CONSIDERING YOUR HEALTH CARE COST WOULD SKY ROCKET.
Answer me this: did you even for one second look at the news, read a newspaper, or just go on the internet? Before you post stuff on a form why don't you take 10 minutes out, read an article, say oh i do not like this and argue your disagreement. ALL of your facts are flawed and shown to be false, congress and news stations have never said that illegal immgrants should have health care. Where in the new health care bill does it state here illegal immigrants take this new health care.
Don't you guys understand that NOT giving them health care options means WE pay for their trips to the ER room?
Let them buy health care, and then they pay for themselves.
Forget morals, lets look at practicality and smart economic decisions.
For goodness sake, guys. Illegal immigrants are gonna be covered in the bill. Stop drinking that Joe Wilson Kool Aid.
And besides, thanks to this thing called the "HIPPOCRATIC OATH" they still have to go to the ER whether their illegal or not anyway. =/
And do you know why Mexicans come anyway? Because the businesses would be willing to expose for like a quarter a day when it's illegal to pay below the minimum wage. So instead of attack the effect, how about attacking the CAUSE.
I think it's bizarre that people think illegal immigrants shouldn't receive healthcare. Regardless of what you may think about their presence, it's illegal to just... let them die.
If you refuse to treat someone with a simple acute condition, chances are they're going to turn up at Accident & Emergency with a bigger, more expensive problem. Preventive medicine is nearly always cheaper.
Economically speaking, it would be silly not to treat them.
I think it's bizarre that people think illegal immigrants shouldn't receive healthcare. Regardless of what you may think about their presence, it's illegal to just... let them die.
If you refuse to treat someone with a simple acute condition, chances are they're going to turn up at Accident & Emergency with a bigger, more expensive problem. Preventive medicine is nearly always cheaper.
Economically speaking, it would be silly not to treat them.
It's also illegal for them to be living in America. I don't really care what your "moral definition" of the word "illegal immigrant", because the LAW says they are illegally here.
That's a real catch 22, isn't it?
There is a naturalization process, use it.
It's also illegal for them to be living in America. I don't really care what your "moral definition" of the word "illegal immigrant", because the LAW says they are illegally here.
That's a real catch 22, isn't it?
There is a naturalization process, use it.
"Love thy neighbor, heal the sick, unless it's a poor minority." - Jesus
And I agree with you MetaKirby.
Why should you have to give back an extra 3 or 4% of the 250 thousand dollars you made that year?
Some people are just so greedy.
They won't leave your money alone.
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for
affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully
present in the United States.
There all you xenophobes. Stop crying about paying taxes for illegals. And besides, I'm if the majority of illegals were white Europeans, I'm sure no one would be complaining about it.
Problems with socialized health care:
-People who abuse the system
-High taxes
-Inefficiency
Here in Canada, wait times for treatment for serious things like cancer can be 3-6 months, does anyone honestly want to wait that long before starting treatment?
I wouldn't mind if simple things such as checkups/immunizations were covered, but anything past that no one should pay taxes for.
There are problems with the current system in the States but socializing everything isn't the solution IMO.
The system is not socialized, not at all
Its just providing rules and regulations for the insurance companies as well as providing the people with an option to purchase insurance from the companies.
Comparing it to Canada's system is like comparing the Iranian government with the UK government.
Problems with socialized health care:
-People who abuse the system
-High taxes
-Inefficiency
Here in Canada, wait times for treatment for serious things like cancer can be 3-6 months, does anyone honestly want to wait that long before starting treatment?
I wouldn't mind if simple things such as checkups/immunizations were covered, but anything past that no one should pay taxes for.
There are problems with the current system in the States but socializing everything isn't the solution IMO.
So wait, Canada just lets people die?
Or do they just make them wait for treatment?
Because in America, they just die.
It's amazing to me how if you just repeat something often enough, people start thinking it's true.
I guess if you get bombarded with the idea that 'health care reform = socialism' within your circle of friends, you probably start believing it, without even thinking about how ******** it is.
Keep demonizing those 'socialists.' America's number one!
The new health care system is going to put a lot of people out of the job I hear, and just give the government more control over people. Thats enough for me to not like the idea.
The new health care system is going to put a lot of people out of the job I hear, and just give the government more control over people. Thats enough for me to not like the idea.
It would put who out of a job? Insurance companies stay, private doctors and hopsitals stay. The only job I can think of are government jobs, moving what is already required of states to have moved to a national level, this being each states medical board of review, most notably miss-refereed to as 'death panels.' this is to cut waist in the system, and help states out with their budget.
As for government control, let's see just how evil that is,
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issed by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to ny house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right. http://www.barkbarkwoofwoof.com/2009/08/in-nutshell.html
The new health care system is going to put a lot of people out of the job I hear, and just give the government more control over people. Thats enough for me to not like the idea.
It's not that I dont like the government. I just dont like the kinds of ideas that have popped up in the passed once Obama became president (heck even before that I wasnt too "onboard" with soem stuff. So, if I dont trust the other policies, then Im not going to be easily drawn towards other things that they are coming up with. Personally, if my mother has cancer and wont find out if its verified before she's almost dead, thats sort of a problem isnt it...
I haven't read the whole topic yet, but I'm against the public healthcare system, because I've used it in Canada. It sucks. A hip replacement surgery can take 9 months easy to get. It just slows everything down with a backlog of needed surgeries, and not nearly enough doctors.
The ultimate system would be a combination of both (private for those who can afford it, public for the rest), but if you have to use one or the other, private is better.
Yes, public health care sucks. Just ask those on Medicare.
Private health care makes no economic sense what so ever.
What Does Inelastic Mean?
An economic term used to describe the situation in which the supply and demand for a good are unaffected when the price of that good or service changes.
Investopedia Says
Investopedia explains Inelastic
When a price change has no effect on the supply and demand of a good or service, it is considered perfectly inelastic. An example of perfectly inelastic demand would be a life saving drug that people will pay any price to obtain. Even if the price of the drug were to increase dramatically, the quantity demanded would remain the same.
What makes American health care save lives in the resources we have. What makes Canada fail is the lack of resources they have. If Canada had as much equipment as us, the problems in their system wouldn't be nearly as large. Our public hospitals are more equipped than theirs. (noticed I said public and not private).
However, we have largely inflated cost because of the economic trouble I stated above. We have the image of efficiency, but the root of inefficiency. The price of the medicine will never be at market equilibrium in a private sector because there is not a supply and demand factor to causes a supply push and pull on the price.
I haven't read the whole topic yet, but I'm against the public healthcare system, because I've used it in Canada. It sucks. A hip replacement surgery can take 9 months easy to get. It just slows everything down with a backlog of needed surgeries, and not nearly enough doctors.
The ultimate system would be a combination of both (private for those who can afford it, public for the rest), but if you have to use one or the other, private is better.
Isn't that the basic idea behind the public option? Also, I don't get how a shortage of doctors can be used to count against a public healthcare plan. Does universal healthcare make being a doctor significantly less appealing? And if the US were suddenly (hypothetically speaking) on a universal plan, would we suddenly have less doctors or something? That argument always confuses me.
If you hate your healthcare system so much, let's trade! Please!
Also, who says Medicare sucks? It's one of the most popular government programs in America, wtf. And you think American health care 'saves lives' but Canadian health care is a 'failure?'
45,000 Americans die each year due to a lack of health insurance.
Does universal healthcare make being a doctor significantly less appealing? And if the US were suddenly (hypothetically speaking) on a universal plan, would we suddenly have less doctors or something? That argument always confuses me.
Some would say yes because the doctor loses the right to have private practices. Some doctors only become doctors for the money and not because they want to help people in need.
Also, it is a concern that once universal health care is put into action, doctors will quit their jobs because there is a chance they they will become overworked is a possibility. Their work hours will become exponentially greater due to the increase of people with the free universal health care which is far from free.
Doctors will also see becoming a doctor as a deterrent become there is a greater chance for doctor malpractice due to the increase of patients.
I am sorry if I sound a bit jumbled in my response. I am in class right now, and I really wanted to answer this now because I am for the most part strongly against universal health care.
They would, but you'd be on a waiting list to get your tests through. In some cases, that time could be enough for whetever you have to progress too far.
In a perfect world it is, but with the introduction of a free or low-cost public option, many people (including businesses for their employees) would be inclined to use that over the higher-cost one. If that gets too out of hand, then those companies would go out of business, forcing people to use the only available system, the low-cost and inferior one.
This is assuming it would actually be inferior, of course.
I'd like you to show some links proving that real doctor's are genuinely concerned about those kinds of things, instead of a bunch of things that you think doctors are concerned about. Like your idea that doctors will start becoming 'overworked,' as if a doctor doesn't already work around the clock. Sounds like a bunch of anomalous fearmongering to me.
And why does everyone want the overpriced insurance companies to stay in the picture so badly?
Oh no, the insurance companies might go out of business!
That's how the free market works. If they can't compete with the government option, perhaps they should deliver a better product that more people want. If people don't want what they have to sell, they'll go out of business. It's not the government's fault that they're offering a service no one wants.
Lol yeah, I do feel you on that. I am more just concerned about it, as an outside viewer. I can afford health care so it doesn't really affect me. I just don't want my health care taken away from me because I see it as a "it if isn't broken, don't fix it,"just because it isn't broken for me.
I just don't like the fact that it's an all or nothing kind of deal. I don't want to be stuck with bad health care when I could have the health care that I want and can afford.
Lol yeah, I do feel you on that. I am more just concerned about it, as an outside viewer. I can afford health care so it doesn't really affect me. I just don't want my health care taken away from me because I see it as a "it if isn't broken, don't fix it,"just because it isn't broken for me.
I just don't like the fact that it's an all or nothing kind of deal. I don't want to be stuck with bad health care when I could have the health care that I want and can afford.
It's not really all or nothing. Private Health insurance will still be around, and open for everyone.
To be honest, having socialized health care will benefit you also, even if you have Private health insurance. It gives private health insurance, and it will force them to raise their own bar to compete with free health insurance.
They would, but you'd be on a waiting list to get your tests through. In some cases, that time could be enough for whetever you have to progress too far.
Not with something like cancer. Naturally, urgent cases are given priority when it comes to use of resources.
This is likely how it is already done to a large extent in America. The road traffic accident man gets his CT scan before the chronic pancreatitis sufferer that's been sitting in hospital for two days.
