BonafideFella
Smash Journeyman
If Sheik was never added, would anyone actually ask for her over Impa or anyone else?
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now there isIs there a None answer?
You can still like a character but not necessarily want them before their release. I didn't want Wii Fit Trainer but I still like their inclusion in the game to this day.YEAH FOR THE NONE ANSWER!
My reasoning is easy. I kinda like all the characters introduced in Smash honestly and I don't feel like any of them are a wasted slot.
Sure, but that's not at all what makes Mr Game and Watch an original Smash character and has nothing to do with my argument. He is the equivalent of if they had a character named "Mr. Metroid" (which is even more specific because that's a game series rather than a system) who kinda looked like a generic Galactic Federation trooper that had an amalgamation of abilities from Samus, Space Pirates, Kraid, etc etc. That character would be none of those despite having all their moves, thus it is an OC. Samus, Link, Ganon, anyone else in the roster is not like that whatsoever.That's not the point. The point is a character like Captain Falcon never had the moves he displayed in SSB. Same with Zero Suit Samus. Even Ganondorf hardly represents his most basic abilities fans have seen. This means most (if not all) characters are Smash originals.
I think people aren't quite getting the distinction that you're describing GW as a wholly new character who didn't exist before Smash while all the characters everyone else keeps bringing up are just original depictions of an existing character (or a character still in development in cases like Roy). There's a massive difference between the two concepts when we're talking about how possible it is to "want" someone who didn't even exist until they suddenly did.Sure, but that's not at all what makes Mr Game and Watch an original Smash character and has nothing to do with my argument. He is the equivalent of if they had a character named "Mr. Metroid" (which is even more specific because that's a game series rather than a system) who kinda looked like a generic Galactic Federation trooper that had an amalgamation of abilities from Samus, Space Pirates, Kraid, etc etc. That character would be none of those despite having all their moves, thus it is an OC. Samus, Link, Ganon, anyone else in the roster is not like that whatsoever.
Ooh, good point.Huh, I looked at the poll up above and I didn’t see Chrom as an option.
Counter argument.Ooh, good point.
People wanted Chrom. No one wanted a Marth clone.Counter argument.
Chrom was very wanted/expected in Smash 4 times due to Awakening in general and the Gematsu leak. Chrom sentiment built up after he didn't get his chance during Smash 4.
Good thing he's a Roy clone then. :^)People wanted Chrom. No one wanted a Marth clone.
Funny. I 'gotcha.Good thing he's a Roy clone then. :^)
Real talk tho, I don't see the issue here.Funny. I 'gotcha.
How can you want or not want a character that doesn't exist yet? That doesn't make any sense.Nah dude. It’s Roy. Nobody wanted a character that didn’t exist before Melee.
It makes complete sense why i wouldn't want a character that doesn't exist yet in Smash. Why would you want them when everyone would have preferred a character that they actually know. Like Wario or Dedede.How can you want or not want a character that doesn't exist yet? That doesn't make any sense.
There are a couple reasons I didn’t want Chrom.Real talk tho, I don't see the issue here.
We pretty much knew even back in Smash 4 that Chrom would be a hybrid of Marth and Ike, which Sakurai more or less admitted to that being the reason he didn't even make it into 4 in the first place.
I feel like Chrom's current moveset is the de-facto way to represent Chrom. He's a descendant of Marth that uses Aether. How 'else' could you do him?
By all intents and purposes, Chrom is right up there with Ken as arguably one of the best implemented Echo Fighters as to how they'd be conceptualized in Smash.
The issue is that Awakening doesn't need three fighters, Fire Emblem already had more than enough fighters to begin with, if we were going to get another fighter they should have been more unique, Chrom's character is boring, we don't need another blue haired sword wielding Fire Emblem hero. They rushed Chrom in at the last second (most likely because Intelligent would have a fit if there wasn't a FE newcomer), he feels more like bad aftertaste after eating black licorice. He'd be better off in Robin's Final Smash and victory pose and an assist trophy at best. He's a clone of a clone, which sucks. There's no reason, in my opinion, why he should be in.Real talk tho, I don't see the issue here.
We pretty much knew even back in Smash 4 that Chrom would be a hybrid of Marth and Ike, which Sakurai more or less admitted to that being the reason he didn't even make it into 4 in the first place.
I feel like Chrom's current moveset is the de-facto way to represent Chrom. He's a descendant of Marth that uses Aether. How 'else' could you do him?
By all intents and purposes, Chrom is right up there with Ken as arguably one of the best implemented Echo Fighters as to how they'd be conceptualized in Smash.
Dark Pit isn't the only clone in the game. Daisy and Richter have even less differences.I'll be honest and say either Dark Pit or even the Miis….I mean they could've gave him Pit's Brawl moveset and that'd be just fine, but a total clone is a no go...and I think in the past I've seen people dislike the idea of Miis making the cut...I assume by next game they will be gone for reasons.
I have, actually. You're just trying to narrow the definition of what a Smash original is.So you're not addressing the topic whatsoever. Got it.
He's in because he can get in without preventing other series' getting a character and he was requested by a lot of people. That's it.The issue is that Awakening doesn't need three fighters, Fire Emblem already had more than enough fighters to begin with, if we were going to get another fighter they should have been more unique, Chrom's character is boring, we don't need another blue haired sword wielding Fire Emblem hero. They rushed Chrom in at the last second (most likely because Intelligent would have a fit if there wasn't a FE newcomer), he feels more like bad aftertaste after eating black licorice. He'd be better off in Robin's Final Smash and victory pose and an assist trophy at best. He's a clone of a clone, which sucks. There's no reason, in my opinion, why he should be in.
You are just saying why you didn't want Chrom, not why he wasn't wanted in general. I assume it's because he was indeed wanted and it's obvious and you are just salty about this.There are a couple reasons I didn’t want Chrom.
-I feel like Robin and Lucina are representation enough for Fire Emblem Awakening
-I personally have nothing against clones/Echo Fighters, but I draw the line at having a clone of a clone (Yeah, I know Roy was de-cloned but my point still stands)
-I don’t mind Fire Emblem having so many reps but now we have FOUR people with the exact same shade of blue hair. Three was already pushing it, but I give Lucina a pass because she wasn’t originally intended to be her own character, it just kinda happened.
-Also, this means that of the 7 Fire Emblem reps, three of them are from the same game. Granted, Awakening was insanely popular, but still.
-It feels like he was an afterthought even by Echo Fighter standards, since they didn’t even bother to change Robin’s final smash.
-I never really found Chrom all that compelling in his home game.
Yeah, I have my biases, but out of all the Ultimate newcomers, Chrom was literally the only one I wasn’t happy to see.
I'm not mad that he's in.He's in because he can get in without preventing other series' getting a character and he was requested by a lot of people. That's it.
You need to force your brain to its limits to not get why he's in after Sakurai spelled it out for you.
I'm not mad that he's in.
I'm mad that they put barely any effort into him. He deserved more.
I'd rather not have Chrom at all than have Chrom but he's another Marth clone :/
- He wouldn't get more anyway
- He plays very differently from Roy, the character he's actually cloned from
- Just pretend he's not in the game. Some people wanted him regardless of his moveset
??? The conversation was literally about Mr Game and Watch being an OC, you seem to think it has something to do with characters having movesets unique to smash which makes zero sense in the context of what was being said, which is that G&W even by name did not exist prior to his inclusion in Melee.I have, actually. You're just trying to narrow the definition of what a Smash original is.
Okay:Piranha Plant.
Fight Me.
That would actually be my number 2. I hate everything about G&W, but Piranha Plant is so damn generic, its like Master-Hero-Soccer-Guy is trying to piss me off.Okay:
The thing is with G&W is that he never existed before Smash. At least Captain falcon, R.O.B., Ganondorf, etc. had some form of existence before they became fighters. Even if their movesets are totally made up, they had some affiliation with Nintendo. G&W, however, did not exist, period.??? The conversation was literally about Mr Game and Watch being an OC, you seem to think it has something to do with characters having movesets unique to smash which makes zero sense in the context of what was being said, which is that G&W even by name did not exist prior to his inclusion in Melee.
You either completely missed what the discussion was about, are trolling, or are grasping at straws as a coping mechanism to protect yourself from being wrong in a meaningless argument. Cringe, either way. Reread the thread and hopefully you can piece together what's going on, but I don't have anything else to add so if you don't get it from that then you're just gonna have to stay confused. Good luck.