Who else is worried Brawl might not be that good?

[Zephyr]

It didn't have that stigma 3 months ago.

People called scrubs what they were - scrubs - and what's more, they actually explained what a scrub was. Mankind tends toward scrubdom, which is why new players often have to be set straight before they get very far in the community.

Unfortunately, people seem to have stopped helping out, and that's leading to a negative attitude among new/established players and making these forums worse in general. There's a reason I go to Play 2 Win now. Another part of that is because of the uncalled for multiple bannings of Dylan. I refuse to contribute to forums who have blind fools for moderators (no offense to Mookie).

 

[Falco&Victory]

People haven't stopped helping out, the surge of newcomers(scrubs) has caused a large rise in flaming and irrational arguments. Now more than ever the mods need to be watching the boards. Why go lax in such a crucial time? We need more mods perhaps. Either that or Mookie and Gimps should go on a major 'ban the idiots spree', you guys deserve it.

BTW, what happened to McFox being the best mod ever? Can't remember the last time the man banned someone for being a complete idiot. Seems like Mookie is taking his place.

 

[RDK]

Lol, McFox. He's made fun of SO much at Playtowin.

He's not even on that much anymore. Like 1 post a week, and after that he's gone with the wind.

 

[MookieRah]

You guys are pretty harsh on the mods. This section of the forums don't get modded that much, and the people that mod these also mod other sections of the site as well. Cut them some slack.

That wasn't a personal bash against you, Mookie.

Don't worry, I didn't even think of it as such. I was just saying my little spiel for the heck of it :-P.

This term "scrub" is very condescending and makes people who use it sound like elitist a**holes. That's why people get riled up when you use it. You really can't see that?

Nah, I see it, and I can definitely understand why they would get upset. That; however, doesn't change the fact that if they fit the description of a scrub then they are a scrub. If you condemn certain tactics without fully understanding them then you are simply being ignorant. If they weren't so proud and stubborn they would be able to at least understand the logic that we follow.

The thing is, the competitive community doesn't go out of their way to tell people how to play, it's seemingly only the casual players. We have our own little setup and we stick to it and *usually* don't discriminate. I'm tired of people coming in and telling us that we are wrong when they don't know what they are talking about. So somehow out of all this mess we become the bad guys for simply defending the competitive scene, and I call bs on that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for trouble or trying to start things. I'm all for treating new guys in a nice manner. I'm all for explaining things to those who are civil even if they have a differing opinion. Usually if somebody posts a question that could get them flamed I will send a PM explaining their question and keep tabs to make sure others don't flame them. I want to see a peaceful community where people help each other.

That's pretty much where I stand on the issue.

 

[Falco&Victory]

Yeah, we still need new mods though.

4 new sections and no new mods? There are some very deserving people out there, if you care to dig for them. Scotu wouldn't be a bad choice.

 

[Crazy Ace 01]

For a brief moment of on-topic extravaganza...
In my opinion the Super Smash Bros. series is like the Mario Kart series - there hasn't been a bad one and there never will be.

Happy 100th post to me. (And yes, I did put that in because the topic is on new school vs old school )

I love Smashboards. I joined just over a year ago and I only have 100 posts. For me, Smashboards is a community for the argument and debate of the various nuances of the Super Smash Bros. series. This site has become an important resource and, when I was first recommended here by a good friend, proved invaluable in stepping up my game to another level. The community here has always felt enthusiastic and excited for this game that we all share such an incredible interest in.

Don't people get it? Everyone in this forum is here because they love to play Super Smash Bros. and they want to talk about it with other people. All the arguments and "strife" (as dramatic as a forum could get ) are caused simply by differing opinions on this game. What is everyone's problem? Are people so wrapped up in the way they think the game should be looked at that they get into arguments with people about it? Is there some invisible force preventing everyone from agreeing to disagree? Are you going to let a few morons and trolls drive you over the deep end? And why are you being so serious over a video game in the first place? I am here to have fun, not get frustrated.

It really grinds my gears (Family Guy reference FTW) when I see people talk about the influx of noobs/scrubs. A new game is coming out for the series and it should be obvious to everyone that there will be a lot of people joining up. If they are misguided, show them a better way. If they are stubborn, don't get angry, get convincing.

There are always gonna be morons, there will always be trolls, there will always be conflict, yadayadayada. I feel like a frickin' priest here. It really makes me frustrated when I see people talking about how the community is falling apart. If you are weak enough not to keep up with change, then I would prefer you leave. I am here to participate, not to listen to a bunch of people complain about how they think things should be. If you don't like it, change it. Educate some people instead of yelling at them for being ignorant. Let casual and competitive opinion co-exist. Take in the new ideas of the new-school while preserving the style of the old-school.

One thing that really kills me is when all the "vets" move to a new forum to escape the changes. That is like sitting somewhere until it is completely polluted with waste, then moving somewhere else. Why bother cleaning up when you can just move on, right? Personally, I would never abandon such an awesome community like this one that easily. I'd clean it all up myself if I had two, just to see it shine like we all know it can.

That's about all I have to say I suppose. For me, this forum is less about the Super Smash Bros. series than it is about the people I get to interact with and share my opinions and ideas with. Super Smash Bros. games are always at their best in multiplayer, anyway. I'm not the first person to say something like this and I won't be the last. Do me a favor and don't leave the community hanging.

EDIT: And I quote:

Originally posted by Demon machinE

also im sick of this bull**** about how it sucks if its not good for "competitive play" just shut the **** up, seriously this game meant to be fun and when people go around saying stuff sucks , "guh final smashes are dumb they are so unfair guh" please just go away and stop complaing

As a competitive player I do have my complaints over new things in brawl, but I entirely understand where you are coming from.

I too and extremly annoyed by this non stop ''Smash is imbalanced, sakurai is gonna balance the tiers'' nonsense that has been flying around for months.

Same goes with people who think sakurai is changing characters with a 1v1 setting in mind.. he isnt. This game is a fun party game, it will be made competitive by a private community.

Thing is, you can play smash anyway you want to, its very customizable, and thats what makes it great.

I feel your anger man, just yesterday I was drunk as heck and ranting my head off the same way you are.

This is a perfect example of the kind of additude I expect from this community. And I found your post before I saw your praise down there Demon.

 

[Demon_machinE]

You deserve a ****ing medal for that post. *applause*

Nah, I see it, and I can definitely understand why they would get upset. That; however, doesn't change the fact that if they fit the description of a scrub then they are a scrub. If you condemn certain tactics without fully understanding them then you are simply being ignorant. If they weren't so proud and stubborn they would be able to at least understand the logic that we follow.

Which is why it is completly insane that Dylan_Tnga receieved 4 month long ban points from kirbyking in a single thread for saying the word scrub twice.

2 infractions per use of the word scrub, 30 days lasting. responding to a tournament hater who was posting PORNOGRAPHIC IMAGES on the site.

Clearly, there is a personal bias against Dylan, as Mookierah is one of the most non-biased people I have ever met, understands the forum rules completly, and is also confused as to why Dylan is getting banned.

Dylan also has other supporters that are confused by his many unjustified bans :

I mostly stay in the shadows here at Smashboards, but I read a lot of threads. It used to be that in nearly every thread that you post in, you make solid points and then get jumped on by trolls and scrubs.

I always expected this, since scrubs aren't logical anyway. However, it seems lately you've been getting banned simply because you're arguing. Is there some way logical people can protest?

Hope everything's going okay over there for you. If there's any way any of us can help get you unbanned (or make the mods less willing to ban you for some other asinine reason) just let me know.

So there is a great divide here. Dylans posting methods towards casuals looking to learn have been nothing but honnest, nice and to the point, and helpful.

The only time he uses the god forbidden S**** word (dont wanna get BANNED FOR NO REASON) is when the person he is talking to IS being a scrub.

Heck in the last thread (where dylan got his final infraction sending him to bantown) mookierah was on dylans side

And someone else named Dashival, who ADMITTED TO BEING A TROLL, INSULTED THE RELIGIONS OF OTHERS, and PURPOSEFULLY disrupted the topic of conversation

got off scott free, all night. That is untill mookierah woke up and banned his ***.

Sorry for the conspiracy theories, but they're true.

 

[village-idiot]

and 1337marth, i don't think they internet is gonna work well for brawl... unfortunately
when i heard about it i was stoked but they would have to work hard to make it work because there can't be any lag when playin smash.

No matter what kind of online game you play, latency will always be there. Counter Strike, Battlefield 2, Starcraft, Warcraft 3 etc. all have latency. It baffles me to think that tourney people refuse to play online when thousands and millions of other players have to deal with it every day.

 

[FalconPunch]

Demon Machine and Dylan are the only reasons I come to this board. It is annoying when these SCRUBS (I don't care if you ban me, it just shows how bad of a mod you are) come here bashing tourny player when they don't even know what the freak they aretalking about. Nothing happens to them now does it?

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Demon Machine and Dylan are the only reasons I come to this board. It is annoying when these SCRUBS (I don't care if you ban me, it just shows how bad of a mod you are) come here bashing tourny player when they don't even know what the freak they aretalking about. Nothing happens to them now does it?

Well to be honnest I dont want to make a bigger deal out of this than Demon already has since we were both pissed.

Thing is, we had no idea what had caused me to be banned it was this

Reason: Flaming
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Don't flame.
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This infraction is worth 2 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=2786443

And yes, despite the fact that the person I ''flamed'' was insulting the religions of others, and purposefully steering the topic off topic, I did use vulgar language which lets be honnest, is undeserving of someone like myself who prefers wit and tact to vulgar barbarian language.

So I got a legit infraction. Lets not be too hard on the mods, they mostly do a great job, and we all make mistakes.

Forgive and forget?

Now. Lets pwn some brawl section scrubs, amirite?

On brawl sucking :

this new item looks like an automatic fireflower. You shoot flames without even having to press a button.

This may sound paranoid but Im going to use this as yet another example of how sakurai is making this game simpler all around. To recap

Hold A to jab, instead of tap rapidly. Sakurai says : I want to go easier on the button pressing this time

Zero suit samus (nuff said)

Links auto grapple which was ''difficult to aim'' in melee (bull****, my grandma could do it)

and finally an automatic version of the fireflower. Going easier on the button pressing... or no button pressing at all?

These are all tiny examples but they hint towards the fact that brawl when compared to melee, will most likely have a less steep learning curve, and will be easier all around.

That is not to say that high level competitive brawl will be an easy task, oh no, the best players as always will earn their skills...

this game just looks easier all around, but any easy game can be made into a competitive game if theres a community for it.

I mean, super smash 64 is wayyy easier to learn / pick up than melee and compete in, yet it still has tourneys going on for it today, both online and offline.

 

[FalconPunch]

Meh, it ok. I just hope Brawl wont do something stupid like taking away Falcon's knee.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Meh, it ok. I just hope Brawl wont do something stupid like taking away Falcon's knee.

That would be a ******** move on sakurai's part. Falcon needs these insta-ko moves because of how pathetic his recovery is.

Anyone over the age of 3 could shine spike his recovery. Falcons TERRIBLE recovery (worst in the game, in my opinion) has always been balanced by extreme speed and raw power. A mid-tier character at its best. Played to perfection, unstopable.

Fox just owns falcon though, hands down. If the fox plays it right, falcon is cooked as soon as he gets touched.

Anyway, this game is going to suck compared to melee no matter what in my eyes. Melee is my favorite game, and always will be.

 

[Johnknight1]

For a brief moment of on-topic extravaganza...
In my opinion the Super Smash Bros. series is like the Mario Kart series - there hasn't been a bad one and there never will be.

Happy 100th post to me. (And yes, I did put that in because the topic is on new school vs old school )

I love Smashboards. I joined just over a year ago and I only have 100 posts. For me, Smashboards is a community for the argument and debate of the various nuances of the Super Smash Bros. series. This site has become an important resource and, when I was first recommended here by a good friend, proved invaluable in stepping up my game to another level. The community here has always felt enthusiastic and excited for this game that we all share such an incredible interest in.

Don't people get it? Everyone in this forum is here because they love to play Super Smash Bros. and they want to talk about it with other people. All the arguments and "strife" (as dramatic as a forum could get ) are caused simply by differing opinions on this game. What is everyone's problem? Are people so wrapped up in the way they think the game should be looked at that they get into arguments with people about it? Is there some invisible force preventing everyone from agreeing to disagree? Are you going to let a few morons and trolls drive you over the deep end? And why are you being so serious over a video game in the first place? I am here to have fun, not get frustrated.

It really grinds my gears (Family Guy reference FTW) when I see people talk about the influx of noobs/scrubs. A new game is coming out for the series and it should be obvious to everyone that there will be a lot of people joining up. If they are misguided, show them a better way. If they are stubborn, don't get angry, get convincing.

There are always gonna be morons, there will always be trolls, there will always be conflict, yadayadayada. I feel like a frickin' priest here. It really makes me frustrated when I see people talking about how the community is falling apart. If you are weak enough not to keep up with change, then I would prefer you leave. I am here to participate, not to listen to a bunch of people complain about how they think things should be. If you don't like it, change it. Educate some people instead of yelling at them for being ignorant. Let casual and competitive opinion co-exist. Take in the new ideas of the new-school while preserving the style of the old-school.

One thing that really kills me is when all the "vets" move to a new forum to escape the changes. That is like sitting somewhere until it is completely polluted with waste, then moving somewhere else. Why bother cleaning up when you can just move on, right? Personally, I would never abandon such an awesome community like this one that easily. I'd clean it all up myself if I had two, just to see it shine like we all know it can.

That's about all I have to say I suppose. For me, this forum is less about the Super Smash Bros. series than it is about the people I get to interact with and share my opinions and ideas with. Super Smash Bros. games are always at their best in multiplayer, anyway. I'm not the first person to say something like this and I won't be the last. Do me a favor and don't leave the community hanging.

EDIT: And I quote:



This is a perfect example of the kind of additude I expect from this community. And I found your post before I saw your praise down there Demon.

^^^ You sir, deserve a VERY SHINNY MEDAL! Seriously!

Whats sad is even I got scorned for hating on Brawl during the Pokémon Trainer update for calling it sh***y [which I now believe the opposite]. Seriously, I had like 4 random morons pop in, and start JK1 hate everywhere, and I was being called out. Heck, I think one even called me knight jon in their stupidty! XD Lucky for me, they were probably 7, stayed up too late, and fell asleep, since it was past their bedtime!

Flat out ignorant idiots and morons [aka retarted n00bs] coming in, and read this thread disagree to extremes. They don't know how to interact with people who play the game diffrently, or do anything diffrently obviously, and react stupidly.

But in the end if they enjoy playing it with items on very high, don't post hate, etc. is all good as long as you love playing the all three games.

As for the whole Brawl sucking deal, there is a 0% chance of it sucking. Whether it's being better than the other two smashes we'll wait and see, and weigh in our opinions and the discovery of billions of secrets in the future. As for me, I'm guesing [IDK yet, since NO ONE HAS PLAYED BRAWL! ] it will be better, since it has Diddy Kong and Solid f***ing Snake. Diddy Kong and Solid Snake alone pwn the ever awsome Melee roster so bad. XD

I'm gonna own me some n00bs with that f***ing monkey, go on a f***ing riot, and hopefully destroy all the ingnorant fools [aka n00bs] at smash online. Who's with me in owning us some retarted morons [aka n00bs]=??? Sounds tasty to me.

Seriously, tomorrow better be a good update, because I believe it will be 100 days until Brawl is released in the "Americas". Here's to hoping it's a 3rd party spot tomorrow, hopefully well spent!

@ Dylan Tnga
It has Diddy, so Brawl will rock! XD The monkey is gonna f**ing pwn so much, words can't begin explain! DKC for the f***ing major win, though ALTTP will always be my favorite SNES game, by far.

And the whole new item thing, look at the last pic. Diddy aparently does a uAir, and it has the burn effect. The new item looks like all it does is adds a burn effect to all attacks, which could be either stupid or intresting. I wonder how this will work=could it break shields easier? Rack extra damge? Cause a Lip's Stick like effect? The possibilities are very numberous=Mindgames by Sakurai. XD

Anyways, when is there going to be a playable demo=??? Brawl comes out 101 days from now! Seriously, I want to actually know about the game, instead of looking at pictures, though you got to be thankful we get updates. But in the end, nothing beats hands on experience with the gameplay.

Edit: Can you all tell I like DKC, and I LOVE Diddy Kong=???

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Johnknight I never get tired of your off the wall energy.. why its 6 30 am, I have school today, and youre making me feel less sleepy.

I think diddy will be a great character, as will snake.

101 days till the brawl begins.. will we be ready?

Goodnight all.. goodmorning to some. peace to everyone.

 

[Johnknight1]

WE call it 3 cups of coffee, serious lack of sleep, but loads of beforehand school homework, and mutlitasking skills. Thank god I'm left-handed! XD

Ergh...now that I'm done with my homework [thankfully I didn't procrastinate too much], maybe I'll be fortunate to log off my computer. I said that after the Diddy Kong update, and I couldn't sleep for like the next 30 hours! XD I even awoke everyone in my friggen house when I saw him confirmed...man I love that monkey=DKC2 was classic. Sheer classic.

 

[PhazonPirate]

Well,how many other huge hyped up Nintendo developed games have not lived up to the hype or had a major glitch or bug?

 

[Chaudgobay]

i'm not worried, i'm already disapointed

 

[MookieRah]

and finally an automatic version of the fireflower. Going easier on the button pressing... or no button pressing at all?

I don't think they did that to dumb down the fireflower, I think they did that cause the item keeps going even while you are attacking. Even the caption says that you can perform combos you wouldn't normally be able to, and my guess as to why that is is because the fire will stun them in place (possibly negating momentum from other attacks) while you are free to hit them.

In other words, they created a really neat item.

 

[Takeshi245]

I don't think they did that to dumb down the fireflower, I think they did that cause the item keeps going even while you are attacking. Even the caption says that you can perform combos you wouldn't normally be able to, and my guess as to why that is is because the fire will stun them in place (possibly negating momentum from other attacks) while you are free to hit them.

In other words, they created a really neat item.

Meaning you can do more combos with Mario and Captain Falcon?!! Cool!! Knocking out people with the Knee with fire would be nice.

 

[Falco&Victory]

Maybe this item will be part of the 'food' items you can get, so you may be recovering damage and suddenly you're breathing fire.

 

[raphtmarqui]

I don't think they did that to dumb down the fireflower, I think they did that cause the item keeps going even while you are attacking. Even the caption says that you can perform combos you wouldn't normally be able to, and my guess as to why that is is because the fire will stun them in place (possibly negating momentum from other attacks) while you are free to hit them.

In other words, they created a really neat item.

Yea, this item sure isnt just a replacement of the fire flower.

 

[smashdragon79]

i dont think brawl will be bad. you know what im doing. im just waiting. im not going into brawl with a lot of expectations becuz if i do and they're not there then i wont like it. so im just waiting and reading the updates. just dont think whats going to be in it, just think about it. and all the good stuff about it. for example alot of people are expecting megaman, if hes not in it they'll be disappointed. no need for that. just becuz one character isnt in the game doesnt mean the other characters are bad. so just wait and see, what wonders brawl will bring us.

 

[Takeshi245]

I'm bumping this thread. Anyways, does anyone think Diddy Kong helps to make people not worry so much about Brawl being a bad game? I don't think so.

 

[Devastlian]

The key to not being worried about SSBB being good is to want to like it. I love all of the characters and items and stages and music and all the gameplay tweeks and whatnot. Every single aspect of it just seems perfect.

Crazy people. :/

 

[Falco&Victory]

The key to not being worried about SSBB being good is to want to like it. I love all of the characters and items and stages and music and all the gameplay tweeks and whatnot. Every single aspect of it just seems perfect.

Crazy people. :/

The real key is just not to whine about something when you haven't played the game yet. I have a different way though, i expect that absolute worse and look forward to it

 

[Johnknight1]

HEHE, love the MK special moves update [or "special moves" update]. The ending rocked! Confirmed Advanced Techs, and in game secrets! W00t! Who's up for finding the new Z-cancelling, Wavedashing, and so fourth=???

 

[Takeshi245]

HEHE, love the MK special moves update [or "special moves" update]. The ending rocked! Confirmed Advanced Techs, and in game secrets! W00t! Who's up for finding the new Z-cancelling, Wavedashing, and so fourth=???

I'll see if I can still do advanced techniques from Melee and know how to do the techniques in Brawl. If I can wavedash, no one should call it a glitch anymore.

 

[SirroMinus1]

i try to think positive but its so hard to.

 

[Takeshi245]

i try to think positive but its so hard to.

What are you so worried about?

 

[Johnknight1]

What are you so worried about?

Even if it was to suck [it won't btw], we still have the extremely amzingly awsome SSB64 and Melee. But Brawl's got new content, and thankfully just isn't another pure copy sequal. YAE!

 

[Shiro Kageryu]

Invincibility during a recovery seems broken....and I hope it dosn't apply to all heavy char's recoveries.....how are you supposed to meteor THAT?

So.. an awesome cool character like Ike has Kirby's up B? Wow. That is the gayest thing ever, and I am NOT AT ALL liking the invincibility thing

Oh yay, invincibility DURING an attack. Great idea

oh wait no, thats going to ruin the game, my bad

erm...having invulnerability frames in an attack doesn't break a game whatsoever. =/

Ever played Street Fighter 2? DPs had invulnerability frames yet that didn't make Ryu broken at all.

Just learn the match-up, it's not going to be that big of a deal.

and btw, I really don't think that Brawl will be all it's cracked up to be. But hey, I could be wrong. I'm just speculating. Also, footstool jump sounds pretty dumb =/

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

erm...having invulnerability frames in an attack doesn't break a game whatsoever. =/

Ever played Street Fighter 2? DPs had invulnerability frames yet that didn't make Ryu broken at all.

Just learn the match-up, it's not going to be that big of a deal.

and btw, I really don't think that Brawl will be all it's cracked up to be. But hey, I could be wrong. I'm just speculating. Also, footstool jump sounds pretty dumb =/

Yeah I was being overly dramatic. Thing is, in melee during all moves which had invincible frames, the person using them could still be hit with a disjointed hitbox.

In the case of IKEs up b, you can wail on him and nothing will happen aside from damage.

Its an UP B, so using it on the stage is going to be laggy and useless, but I'm worried that this no flinching thing will apply to other characters, and lead to very exploitable broken tactics.

Oh, and to all those who think this no flinching thing is new :

Crouch Cancelling. Same bloody thing except you actually have to DO something

God do I hate brawls ''Things that were hard to do in melee, are now automatic! Go nintendo wii!'' attitude.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

God do I hate brawls ''Things that were hard to do in melee, are now automatic! Go nintendo wii!'' attitude..

Totally agree.

The invulnerability thing... Ike for example gets that while he's doing his up-b, and that won't prevent people from smashing him during his downtime AFTER the move.

 

[Shiro Kageryu]

Crouch Cancelling. Same bloody thing except you actually have to DO something

Peach's dSmash obviously takes care of that, so who knows. There will obviously be ways around it.

 

[raymanbud714]

Im just a bit worried about single player... not that it wont be awesome and i have absolutly nothing against kirby(because i love him and meta knight) but it seems (if u look at the second subspace emmissary clip) that its more all about kirby... because he fights alone and meta knight looks to be the evil bad guy!

 

[Adi]

I'm so depressed at the prospects of Brawl =/.

 

[Dr.Feelgood]

lets pray that it turns out to be amazing!

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Peach's dSmash obviously takes care of that, so who knows. There will obviously be ways around it.

I know there will be ways around it. thats not the issue here.

The issue here is that Brawl looks like it is attempting to simplify the gameplay of smash by making ''difficult'' things (that take 5 minutes to learn) automatic.

I do not think making things like not moving while being attacked (crouch cancelling) automatic is a good idea, it subtracts for the difficulty of this game, and makes it too easy.

Challenging games are what every true gamer craves, but the wii believes that making games easier will sell more copies.

Therefore I conclude that the wii is not a console aimed towards gamers in the slightest. It is aimed towards people who want to try out video games, but are too lazy to put in the time and effort it takes to learn how to play a certain game, by lowering the learning curve of every game it releases. Truly depressing for gamers.

 

[TheZizz]

I know there will be ways around it. thats not the issue here.

The issue here is that Brawl looks like it is attempting to simplify the gameplay of smash by making ''difficult'' things (that take 5 minutes to learn) automatic.

I do not think making things like not moving while being attacked (crouch cancelling) automatic is a good idea, it subtracts for the difficulty of this game, and makes it too easy.

Challenging games are what every true gamer craves, but the wii believes that making games easier will sell more copies.

Therefore I conclude that the wii is not a console aimed towards gamers in the slightest. It is aimed towards people who want to try out video games, but are too lazy to put in the time and effort it takes to learn how to play a certain game, by lowering the learning curve of every game it releases. Truly depressing for gamers.

I don't see the harm in simplifying things that were trivial in the first place by your own admission. Indeed I can vouch that Melee compared to the original was alienating for my non-Smasher friends, yet the original is still fine for competitive play.

What it comes down to is a bunch of little changes designed to un-alienate our newbie friends. I don't see how these changes will be a detriment to the competitive scene.

Also, it's a safe bet that crouch-cancelling will remain in Brawl. I don't think CC had any bearing on the implementation of the unflinchable frames idea, nor do I see a great deal of similiarity between the two (for one thing, CC is available to every character).

 

[Shiro Kageryu]

I know there will be ways around it. thats not the issue here.

The issue here is that Brawl looks like it is attempting to simplify the gameplay of smash by making ''difficult'' things (that take 5 minutes to learn) automatic.

I do not think making things like not moving while being attacked (crouch cancelling) automatic is a good idea, it subtracts for the difficulty of this game, and makes it too easy.

Challenging games are what every true gamer craves, but the wii believes that making games easier will sell more copies.

Therefore I conclude that the wii is not a console aimed towards gamers in the slightest. It is aimed towards people who want to try out video games, but are too lazy to put in the time and effort it takes to learn how to play a certain game, by lowering the learning curve of every game it releases. Truly depressing for gamers.

I know what you mean, the same thing is happening to Guilty Gear. The newer releases seem to just be lessening the learning curve to help get new players into the game.

The fighting game scene is dying, so it may help a bit.