Where do you think Peach belongs on the tier list?

Cia · Feb 1, 2009

I'm so good, I just got 25th out of 89 at a brawl tournament.

:laugh:

DoH · Feb 1, 2009

I'll Peach ditto MM.

Pink Shinobi · Feb 1, 2009

D'oH said:
I'll Peach ditto MM.

We should do a Peach ditto mm. Not much peacherz in norcal, so it'd be fun.

DoH · Feb 1, 2009

shotgun on pink then.

Cia · Feb 1, 2009

D'oH said:
I'll Peach ditto MM.

was this for me, or PS?? i'll do peach dittos as well.

:colorful:

betterthanbonds9 · Feb 2, 2009

kirbstir said:
Who'd put money up in a Peach ditto? That's one of the most boring matchups since Jiggly v Jiggly

I'd pay not to do those matches

why does everybody hate peach dittos?

Some of my favorite melee matches have been friendlies of me vs sdm

Scar · Feb 3, 2009

Kouryuu said:
Scar, MM me at Genesis.

I already accepted but I'll do it here too just to be sure. YES.

DoH · Feb 4, 2009

It's for anyone but Xelic.

Cia · Feb 4, 2009

K, i'll do a Peach ditto for $10.00 sound good??

SCAR - $10.00 Peach ditto + $10.00 Falcon Ditto. :laugh:

Scar · Feb 4, 2009

lol Vanz I'd have to be an idiot. My peach is mad good though LOL.

kirbstir · Feb 4, 2009

betterthanbonds9 said:
why does everybody hate peach dittos?

Some of my favorite melee matches have been friendlies of me vs sdm

It's so people think I hate them/suck at them and then I can mm them for money of course

/s

InterimOfZeal · Feb 25, 2009

Wow. Here I thought the Peach boards were estrogen-charged back in Melee days.

Pink Shinobi said:
Hmmm, IMO Fox, Marth, and Sheik's edgeguarding game are better than Peach's, but not by that much. >_< It's just so hard to edge guard Link and Y Link. Any tips?

Run off with bair. Like, don't float or anything. Just run right off with your *** sticking out.

I dunno how to really describe anything beyond when they're coming from the angle that works at, though. It's really situational. I'll try to get my Peach back in shape (for Genesis!) and get some vids vs LoVo's Link.

Scar said:
p.s. I really only SD a lot in two situations: against people that I know I can ****, or if I'm nervous as hell. Other than that it's because I'm not warmed up.

TIMES CHANGE.

/johns

HAY GUIZE, I hAVE SOMETHING TO PROVE, TOO! LET'S DO PEACH DITTOS! THEY SHOW WHO THE BETTER OVERALL PLAYER IS, AMIRITE?

Y'all are stupid.

Rain(ame) · Feb 25, 2009

O.o can we settle it with a Zelda ditto? Lol, nah, j/k. We should really come up with a Peach challenge of some sort to settle Peach disputes. I guess placing well in Genesis won't be enough. =/

JFox · Feb 26, 2009

Kouryuu said:
Go to Genesis. 20$ I'm not remotely joking. I'll consider raising if you want to.

I'm excited for this.

Cia · Feb 26, 2009

Peach dittos are actually fun tho. and apparently, texas is good at them?? so i wanna try my luck against a texas peach :D

btw, this is currently THE best video on youtube right now. it never gets old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMPygFzzFIE

Rubyiris · Feb 26, 2009

I know this isn't related to her placing on the tier list, but I personally find the Falco/Peach match up to be 50/50. It all depends on how Falco plays, and how well Falco plays. Another thing that is invaluable is each players EXPERIENCE against the other character.

A passive Falco will stand a much, much better chance against a Peach player than an aggressive Falco. Falco can play his laser game smartly. Force Peach to float at certain heights, and counter accordingly with well spaced, or timed aerials. Most specifically N-air when level/under peach, and D-air when above Peach. Falco's N-Air frequently out prioritizes Peach's D-Air. Forcing Peach to float is almost like a guaranteed combo, or depending on the stage, Falco can just retreat. Also; Shield game is key in the matchup. Falco has a very good light shield, one large enough to safely shield MOST of her shield pressure, including 1 Down Smash, depending on how Falco angles the shield.

I play Falco vs Peach similar to how I would play Fox vs Peach. Camp lasers. Punish openings. Basically spending most of the game AWAY from Peach, forcing her to come to me. Fox, Falco, Marth, and Shiek have one huge advantage over Peach, and that is their speed, and their ability to force Peach to come to them, which is why I can't agree with a passive Falco being at a disadvantage versus Peach. I can agree with most Falco players being at a disadvantage, but IMO it all comes down to how you play the match, and how much experience you have with the match.

Samochan · Feb 26, 2009

*agrees with the above post* And when falco gets his opening, it's easy switch from passive to aggressive and get those ko's while peach gets comboed there and back, the switch back to defensive when you can't get any more hits in.

JFox · Feb 26, 2009

I believe the match up is slightly in peach's favor, but like many other characters, you need to know what you are doing vs falco or u get *****. Look at cort if u want a good example of a peach who knows how to **** a falco.

Also, Peach cannot get combo'd in the air if you float at the right height. Its impossible. Nair is too low to reach, and full jumps are easy to see coming and easily avoided, plus they dont lead to combos at all. Oh and "fox, falco, sheik, marth all have the ability to force peach to come to them"? Umm, what? Last I check marth is the one forced to approach, cuz he has a sword and you have veggies. Sheik has crappy needles, so its really a slow and painful back and forth camp on both sides, neither of them really being forced to approach the other. (watch vidjo and plank camp each other til the time limit, lol). Spacies lasers can def force you to do the approaching, although peach can pick and choose her moments vs falco since he really cant touch u while u are floating or platform camping.

Rain(ame) · Feb 26, 2009

Rubyiris · Feb 27, 2009

JFox said:
I believe the match up is slightly in peach's favor, but like many other characters, you need to know what you are doing vs falco or u get *****. Look at cort if u want a good example of a peach who knows how to **** a falco.

Also, Peach cannot get combo'd in the air if you float at the right height. Its impossible. Nair is too low to reach, and full jumps are easy to see coming and easily avoided, plus they dont lead to combos at all. Oh and "fox, falco, sheik, marth all have the ability to force peach to come to them"? Umm, what? Last I check marth is the one forced to approach, cuz he has a sword and you have veggies. Sheik has crappy needles, so its really a slow and painful back and forth camp on both sides, neither of them really being forced to approach the other. (watch vidjo and plank camp each other til the time limit, lol). Spacies lasers can def force you to do the approaching, although peach can pick and choose her moments vs falco since he really cant touch u while u are floating or platform camping.

Unless you full hop float, Yes Falco can still EASILY hit Peach.

Also; Like I stated earlier, Peach only has the advantage against Falco if Falco DOESN'T play passively.

JFox · Feb 28, 2009

"force peach to float at certain heights, and counter with well spaced and timed aerials"

What would ever force me to float at any specific height? That doesnt make sense. I would always float at a safe height where falco cant reach high enough with anything except sh uair, which would be the worst idea ever to try and approach me with.

"forcing peach to float is like a guaranteed combo"

once again, Peach can float out of range of any of falcos sh aerials with the exception of sh uair which leads to nothing, has no priority, and will get u *****.

"a passive falco will stand a much better chance than an aggressive falco"

Saying that falco does well when played "passively" is really a blanket statement in general- aggro players always get ***** no matter what the matchup. I agree with you, defensive falcos are far harder to beat cuz aggro falcos are cake. Still, the match is in peach's favor.

The way you beat falco is by forcing him to do what you want, than punishing when he falls into your traps. Peach punishes falco extremely well. Dsmash at low percents are great, grab on FD or mute are pretty much a guaranteed stock. Once he's off the stage, peach covers his options rather well.

Falco can't combo into killers very easily. He can't combo for more than a consecutive 20 damage if u DI. He doesn't control space well, which is a key thing when fighting peach. His grabs are almost worthless.

All these things considered, he still does pretty ok in the matchup cuz he's a good character. I would say 60/40. MAYBE 55/45 at best.

Rubyiris · Feb 28, 2009

JFox said:
"force peach to float at certain heights, and counter with well spaced and timed aerials"

What would ever force me to float at any specific height? That doesnt make sense. I would always float at a safe height where falco cant reach high enough with anything except sh uair, which would be the worst idea ever to try and approach me with.

"forcing peach to float is like a guaranteed combo"

once again, Peach can float out of range of any of falcos sh aerials with the exception of sh uair which leads to nothing, has no priority, and will get u *****.

"a passive falco will stand a much better chance than an aggressive falco"

Saying that falco does well when played "passively" is really a blanket statement in general- aggro players always get ***** no matter what the matchup. I agree with you, defensive falcos are far harder to beat cuz aggro falcos are cake. Still, the match is in peach's favor.

The way you beat falco is by forcing him to do what you want, than punishing when he falls into your traps. Peach punishes falco extremely well. Dsmash at low percents are great, grab on FD or mute are pretty much a guaranteed stock. Once he's off the stage, peach covers his options rather well.

Falco can't combo into killers very easily. He can't combo for more than a consecutive 20 damage if u DI. He doesn't control space well, which is a key thing when fighting peach. His grabs are almost worthless.

All these things considered, he still does pretty ok in the matchup cuz he's a good character. I would say 60/40. MAYBE 55/45 at best.

If you float at a specific height that a short hopped (No fast fall) laser, won't hit, and only a SH U-Air will hit, Falco has several options. One of which, is obviously to run away and continue to camp lasers. Peach has to fall eventually, and while she does, She's going to be stunned. Falco can also instant double-jump his lasers, which the second laser WILL hit if he times it properly. Finally, he can just full-hop an aerial. Also; because of constant pressure from lasers, Peach won't always float at that specific height. Forcing the float IS usually a guaranteed combo, or at least some percentage.

Falco has a guaranteed 35% combo regardless of DI. Drill - Shine - Bair. 20% is only two hits. (Drill - Shine.) even if the Bair won't hit, he can still hit with U-air or N-Air, depending on DI. Falco can also use his second jump at much higher percentaged and hit with U-Air, or Up+B. (Never count out the Up+B. It ko's Peach at low %, lol.)

The Peach vs Falco matchup has too many factors to consider to make an accurate guess on who has the advantage. How does the Falco player play? How experienced is the Falco player versus Peach players? How experienced is the Peach player versus Falco players? Does the Peach player only have experience aggressive Falco players? Passive players? Etc. Looking at the match as a whole, I want to say that it's a 50/50. after that, it comes down to personal experience, style, etc.

kirbstir · Feb 28, 2009

How do you feel Peach does against Peach

Edit: Why does my signature not show up on new posts, when clearly it shows up on older ones?

Dogysamich · Feb 28, 2009

Because they put in a code (or something) that disables your signature unless your post is a certain length.

If you didnt know (and dont worry, I didnt till like, last month or so), you're actually not supposed to post your sig anywhere on smashboards unless your post is longer than your sig (both length and width wise). Alot of people obvious dont do that. >.>

*continues to thumb around the thread*

JFox · Feb 28, 2009

Rubyiris said:
If you float at a specific height that a short hopped (No fast fall) laser, won't hit, and only a SH U-Air will hit, Falco has several options. One of which, is obviously to run away and continue to camp lasers. Peach has to fall eventually, and while she does, She's going to be stunned. Falco can also instant double-jump his lasers, which the second laser WILL hit if he times it properly. Finally, he can just full-hop an aerial. Also; because of constant pressure from lasers, Peach won't always float at that specific height. Forcing the float IS usually a guaranteed combo, or at least some percentage.

Falco has a guaranteed 35% combo regardless of DI. Drill - Shine - Bair. 20% is only two hits. (Drill - Shine.) even if the Bair won't hit, he can still hit with U-air or N-Air, depending on DI. Falco can also use his second jump at much higher percentaged and hit with U-Air, or Up+B. (Never count out the Up+B. It ko's Peach at low %, lol.)

The Peach vs Falco matchup has too many factors to consider to make an accurate guess on who has the advantage. How does the Falco player play? How experienced is the Falco player versus Peach players? How experienced is the Peach player versus Falco players? Does the Peach player only have experience aggressive Falco players? Passive players? Etc. Looking at the match as a whole, I want to say that it's a 50/50. after that, it comes down to personal experience, style, etc.

When you look at matchups, you always look at them from the highest level point of view. So you take the best way to play peach, the best way to play falco vs peach, and than say "ok this is how they do vs each other at highest level".

Many people like to use pros as examples because they play at the highest levels we see possible (or we assume so). You would take a person like Cort who knows how to fight falco extremely well, and take a person like PC who knows how to fight peach well, than see how they match up.

I'm tired of this debate, its getting redundant and worn out.

Rubyiris · Feb 28, 2009

JFox said:
When you look at matchups, you always look at them from the highest level point of view. So you take the best way to play peach, the best way to play falco vs peach, and than say "ok this is how they do vs each other at highest level".

Many people like to use pros as examples because they play at the highest levels we see possible (or we assume so). You would take a person like Cort who knows how to fight falco extremely well, and take a person like PC who knows how to fight peach well, than see how they match up.

I'm tired of this debate, its getting redundant and worn out.

The debate comes down to that we both agree that aggressive Falco players get *****. We both agree that Peach can punish the **** out of any of Falco's openings. We also both agree that a camping Falco will stand a better chance. After that, it's just us arguing about both characters options in different scenarios.

It's just me, but I feel the matchup to be a 50/50. The whole thing really comes down to experience, and play style.

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