What is the best secondary for a Marth main???

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

As we all know, Marth has a few matchups that are not favorable so it would be wise to pick up a secondary character to deal with them.

What do you recommend???

I'd say Sheik is the best secondary for a Marth main. Maybe spacies. Any suggestions???

 

[Dart!]

Well m2k has the triple crown. sheik for low tiers, marth for spacies, fox because he's da bess.

but i'd say a marth/sheik/fox/puff is unstoppable.

 

[Winston]

The straightforward choice seems like Fox, since he does well vs Sheik and does well on janky stages.

I guess you could CP Sheik with Jiggs if you wanted.

 

[cjugs]

fox may take you forever to learn he is a much more technical character than marth. puff sheik there's no wrong choice there.
Anyone feeling a drop in the marth vs spacies matchup i swear it's in spacies favor now. sept for at marhts story of course.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

its actually matchup preference.

if ur bad vs sheik, learn fox or falco

if ur bad vs puff, learn fox

if ur bad vs spacies, learn falco (easier to learn than fox. plus fox vs falco is in falcos favor)



but u shouldnt pick up a secondary untill ur a legit marth. try to learn all the matchups with marth first and only learn a second if u have a serious learning block in a certain matchup.

 

[edgeluca]

I like Sheik because I never have a problem with spacies, so Sheik is mostly there for Matchups I dislike, such as Ganon. I'm working on my sheik right now.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Matchups I Dislike : Ganon, Luigi, ???

^Not too difficult, but am more comfortable using Sheik

Matchups I HATE: Falco

^ **** FALCO

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Jiggs is probably the right answer but Fox is the popular one. Jiggs covers a lot of Marth's bad matchups really well.

Though I don't recommend picking up a secondary until you are very, very good with Marth.

 

[Tee ay eye]

fox may take you forever to learn he is a much more technical character than marth. puff sheik there's no wrong choice there.
Anyone feeling a drop in the marth vs spacies matchup i swear it's in spacies favor now. sept for at marhts story of course.

there's this place

it's final

and it's your destination

 

[Druggedfox]

^This. xDD

Marth definitely beats spacies worse on FD. Nothing can make up for such ridiculous CGs. The spacies actually do perfectly fine on yoshi's story.

No Cash definitely summed it up pretty well, it depends on your preference. Imo marth doesn't need a secondary Marth's ability to deal with matchups is pretty amazing... if you know your matchups with him, the reward is amazing.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Fox, Falco, Sheik, and Jiggs.

You need something that covers Sheik if you're one of the many Marths that simply cannot do that matchup (I dunno why, maybe it's bad for him, but people keep telling me it's close so whatever stop complaining about it Marth mains). ICs are too hard to play as a secondary. The above are the remaining characters that do well vs Sheik. If you're PAL, you are allowed to add Peach to that list.

If you buy into Ganon and Falcon are good vs Marth, those four are also conveniently good vs them too. While Peach is not nearly as good against them. So Peach is not recommended if you dislike Falcon or Ganon.

edit: The whole point of maining Marth seriously is to PLAY HIM AGAINST SPACE ANIMALS. Not only are most space animals BAD AGAINST MARTH but they also present to him matchups where he can actually do well in.

 

[Druggedfox]

LOL KK by people telling you its close, is that just me? Or are there actually people who still don't think marth sucks xDD

I like how KK actually brought up PAL, everyone forgot about that =/ Screw it just go fox, he beats everyone no matter what :D

 

[KirbyKaze]

It's more than you.

Marth is fine, most Marth players are terrible. He's bad vs Sheik. He's fine against everyone else, maybe not Falcon and Puff. But those two are complicated and talking about them seriously is just asking for trouble.

Fox is convenient secondary because Fox's only really arguably bad matchup is Falco. But you have Marth for that anyway. And most Falcos are awful against Marth so it's like awesome.

 

[OverLord]

I don't know, try Fox/Sheik, reward compared to time spent to learn how to use them is huge


Marth doesn't sucks against Sheik if he knows what to do. But I assume there are very few Marth that can deal against good Sheiks.. so, meh.. Dahean come back and let 'em see plZ


@ No Cash: Falco is much harder to use than Fox, hands down

 

[Velox]

It depends on your playing style... -__________________________-

 

[KirbyKaze]

Playstyle is important, but even with a good style, Marth is still disadvantaged to Sheik.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Ahh, Marth. I can say so much about this character, his matchups, and how good I think he is...It just wouldn't matter though.

Also KK people DEF know how to fight against Marth. For some reason it just seems like that's everyone's best matchup.

 

[OverLord]

@ KK: yeah Sheik is obviously in advantage, the fact is just that I like very much Marth-Sheik match-up, and I worked hard to not change character against her, and I can assure that if a Marth knows well how to handle it, it's not as bad as everyone thinks

 

[cjugs]

It's more than you.

Marth is fine, most Marth players are terrible. He's bad vs Sheik. He's fine against everyone else, maybe not Falcon and Puff. But those two are complicated and talking about them seriously is just asking for trouble.

Fox is convenient secondary because Fox's only really arguably bad matchup is Falco. But you have Marth for that anyway. And most Falcos are awful against Marth so it's like awesome.

that matchup seems even to me if both players are good. if they are bad i would say always falco, but really good people i always see it going even and fox winning mango doesn't count btw.

 

[BluePeachy100]

It really depends on whether or not you have developed techskill, or not. If so, I'd suggest Fox, if not, than I'd suggest Jiggs or Shiek.

 

[Druggedfox]

@Jesiah

People know how to fight marth? Say what??? I was definitely under the impression that most people sucked vs marth; care to explain? =P

 

[KirbyKaze]

that matchup seems even to me if both players are good. if they are bad i would say always falco, but really good people i always see it going even and fox winning mango doesn't count btw.

That's nice.

 

[mers]

I think Jiggs, cause she covers the Sheik and Falcon matchups, and her playstyle is not all that different from Marth's. Marth DDs arounds, creates a wall of aerials, and goes for a grab. Jiggs flies around, creates a wall of bairs, and goes for a bair (or grab, or utilt, etc).

Obviously its not quite that simple, but I found the transition much easier than to Fox. Additionally, maintaining good Fox techskill takes a lot of time away that you could be practicing Marth. This is obviously not an issue with Puff.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Drugged Fox- Yeah, I mean from what I've gotten from playing OOS, people know how to fight Marth like, the best out of all their matchups. They know how to prey on his aerial lagginess, edgeguard him beautifully, and just in general get the first hits in on him. people just play super super careful and patient vs marth. even low tiers nowadays seem like they'd rather fight marth than spacies. i mean, its just opinion i guess but my marth is far better than my other characters, and i can do better in some matchups just by smart lasering and pressuring, and with sheik cuz shes a moving fortress. people have an easier time getting inside of marths nowadays i think

 

[Tero.]

@ No Cash: Falco is much harder to use than Fox, hands down

u mad


Also Marth Sheik is like 55:45 in PAL and Fox is definitly the best secondary for any Marth main.

 

[OverLord]

u mean Sheik is 55 :O

anyway Falco needs more time and effort to be played efficiently, it's all about tempo and precision. Fox compared to Falco is freakin easy: not mentioning it'a a better character overall, and thus you can be proficient with less effort, tecnically is mad easier, everything he does it's all about speed, and you can reach that speed with some training, Falco needs perfect timing, and hours of training.

Obviously I'm not saying Fox is an easy character, but compared with Falco, is easier by far.

 

[Tero.]

Yeah Sheik 55:45 Marth.

And Fox is by a large margin the hardest character to play.

 

[Roneblaster]

pick falcon, then you can look sexy all the time.

(SPOILER ALERT: Doesnt help you with your sheik match-up)

 

[Druggedfox]

Fox is the hardest character to play? Idk, I think playing ness at a high level's a lot harder =PPPPPPP (Considering it's nigh impossible to win against a good player xD)

But rather than misinterpreting what you just said:

It depends on the person really. As said in the post above yours, fox is about speed. If you have the finger speed, the timing isn't particularly difficult, because most of the time you won't be doing it too fast for fox (unless you're insanely inhuman). Falco on the other hand, is realllly easy to end up going too fast with, and you have to learn specific timing instead. If you have slower fingers, I suppose falco would be easier, but if you have faster ones, fox might be more natural to you. Just a random example is double shine pillaring... I tried it in training mode, and after just a tiny bit of practice I could do it with fox without any trouble at all. With falco, on the other hand, I would have to find the exact timing, and I frequently ended up doing it too fast/slow. Obviously after some practice I got it down with both, but falco was definitely the less natural of the two. Not to say falco's harder, but it depends on the person.

Edit: @Roneblaster, what are you talking about, I thought falcon was a sheik counter... =P =P =P

 

[Tairseth]

Wait...everybody doesn't second falcon? And of course falcon is a sheik counter sillies.

 

[darkoblivion12]

Drugged Fox- Yeah, I mean from what I've gotten from playing OOS, people know how to fight Marth like, the best out of all their matchups. They know how to prey on his aerial lagginess, edgeguard him beautifully, and just in general get the first hits in on him. people just play super super careful and patient vs marth. even low tiers nowadays seem like they'd rather fight marth than spacies. i mean, its just opinion i guess but my marth is far better than my other characters, and i can do better in some matchups just by smart lasering and pressuring, and with sheik cuz shes a moving fortress. people have an easier time getting inside of marths nowadays i think

Most low tiers like fighting foxes just for the fact that low tiers love to combo like crazy *******s. they are low tiers for a reason however. marth and shiek absolutely wreck low tiers. just from experience, the marth matchup is much easier to learn than the shiek matchup. playing vs marth is just baiting and waiting for him to overextend and get into grab range. playing vs shiek is hard because the speed lets her really get under any character and start comboing the living **** out of them.

 

[Vincent46]

u mean Sheik is 55 :O

anyway Falco needs more time and effort to be played efficiently, it's all about tempo and precision. Fox compared to Falco is freakin easy: not mentioning it'a a better character overall, and thus you can be proficient with less effort, tecnically is mad easier, everything he does it's all about speed, and you can reach that speed with some training, Falco needs perfect timing, and hours of training.

Obviously I'm not saying Fox is an easy character, but compared with Falco, is easier by far.

Fox requires the most APM by far, and also timing for his actions is really strict when compared to falco's; and thus he's easier to screw up with. Probably hardest character to be consistent with.

 

[OverLord]

we'll talk bout this tomorrow Vinc xD

 

[painlord k11]

I use shiek for my secondary to marth, actually it's like shiek/marth even then fox second idk

 

[Radical Dreamer]

Fox requires the most APM by far, and also timing for his actions is really strict when compared to falco's; and thus he's easier to screw up with. Probably hardest character to be consistent with.

I disagree with this. The timing for Fox is just faster, but it's also just a lot easier to rapid fire inputs with Fox without regard to timing, compared to Falco. Also, highest APM and most tech skill does not = hardest to play. Fox is a much more straightforward character compared to the other top tiers (or anyone really).

Either space animal makes a good secondary to Marth. They cover his only bad matchup (Sheik), and allow easier wins against the characters Marth goes even with or only has a slight advantage against (CF, Ganon, and uh...). They also cover the stage problem, since they're both good on CP stages, where Marth is pretty bad.

 

[Tero.]

I can't belive we're actually talking about this.
Fox is clearly by far the hardest top/high tier character to play and be consistant with.
It's so obvious, I don't even-

 

[OverLord]

Tero u mad

<3

 

[Tero.]

Sure I am!

(:

(Not wrong on this one tho =P)

 

[CHUCHUTRAIN]

falco! youll learn more about falco also

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

I can't belive we're actually talking about this.
Fox is clearly by far the hardest top/high tier character to play and be consistant with.
It's so obvious, I don't even-

Its really not that ridiculous. Every pro I've talked to in the States has said that either Falcon or Marth are the hardest to play at a high level. In fact, thats the general consensus...