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What if Armada destroys the top-US on PAL?

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distraction

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lets assume there is a big tourney and all the pros are attending it. but this time it is played in europe and on the PAL version. the top 4 will probably be like usual; armada, mango, hungrybox and m2k. maybe amsah but his sheik barely made it past jman altough he had the ntsc boost so i doubt it.

that being said for the introduction. now what im interested in: since armada, mango and hbox all play characters that havent got nerfed in PAL it shouldnt be too much of a difference for them playing on the euro version. but what if armada wins? would that make him even with mango and better than hbox? let me explain my logic in detail. pal and ntsc are different versions and despite there is no real change between the puff - peach matchup, there is still the psychological effect. playing on the home version, on the home continent, having the home crowd rooting for armada. what is even more: there arent as many dominant foxes because they got a huge nerf in pal and armada will wreck through the bracket. this gives him additional confidence and thats probably the key in order to beat hbox and mango.

so if armada wins, would that make him the champ? people might argue that mango and hungrybox still won on ntsc but a lot of people agree on the pal version being the more balanced one; the superior one; the final product to say. in my opinion a win on the pal version should count more than on ntsc and i would consider armada as the best player then. at least he would be even with mango but a bit in armadas favor since he won on the fairer version of the game.

what do you think?
 

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Yo...seriously...you can ban this kid and no one will care...seriously...NO ONE, close & delete his threads, ban him, it's so easy...just...make my name red and I'll do it


SEE THIS THREAD FOR ALL VERSION CHANGES:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=57155

Here is the most up to date PAL differences list:

Weights
- Bowser, Yoshi and Kirby weigh more in PAL by 1, 3 and 4 points respectively
- Marth, Fox and Mario weigh less in PAL by 1, 2 and 2 points respectively

Strengthenings
- Yoshi's up and forward smashes are more powerful in PAL (forward, NTSC 16%, PAL 17% up smash, NTSC 14%, PAL 15%)
- Kirby's dash attack does more damage from 8% NTSC to 9% PAL, however has less knockback

Weakenings
- Sheik's Up aerial is weaker in PAL (NTSC 12%, PAL 10%)
- Sheik's Up smash tipper is weaker in PAL (NTSC 17%, PAL 16%)
- Fox's up and down smashes are weaker in PAL (upsmash - NTSC 18%, PAL 17%, down smash - NTSC 15%, PAL 13%)
- Fox's Up B is weaker in PAL (NTSC 14%, PAL 12%) and gets slightly less distance
- Ganondorf's dair is weaker in PAL (NTSC 22%, PAL 21%)
- Ganondorf's fair is weaker in PAL (same damage, but significantly weaker sending power)
- Yoshi's dair is weaker in PAL (NTSC 51%, PAL 38%)

Adjustments
- Falco's dair spikes will not spike near the end of the animation, instead generating a weak knockback that sends the opponent slightly upward and away (A vid on DC++ demonstrates this, search for 'PALfalcodair')
- Marth's dair is a meteor smash, not a spike in PAL (and hence can be recovered from)
- Sheik's down throw now allows the the opponent more horizontal DI and hence, can escape chain grabbing, tilts and aerials. The only thing that cannot, or is very hard to escape is a well timed dash attack on low percents. Other than that, Sheik cannot follow up with anything else directly from a down throw if the opponent DIs and techs/double jumps correctly.
- Fox can tech out of Falcos down throw in PAL.
- Bowser's down throw now hits Mr G&W.
- Link's spin attack (up b) doesn't semi spike in PAL.
- Captain Falcon's A A A combo will continue to attack after the 3rd A automatically in NTSC, but stops in PAL version.
- Samus cannot 'bomb out' of grapple beam, for example, if samus sets a bomb and grapple beams and the bomb hits her in ntsc, she will bounce out of the animation, this does not work in PAL.
- PAL (and NTSC version 1.1 and 1.2) has freeze framing*
- You cannot hit the sandbag once it hits the ground in HRC in PAL

Removed
- Samus's extended grapple beam was removed in PAL.
- The Special Video was removed in PAL

- PAL retains any changes made from the game after version 1.0, this includes the removal of:
- Flame canceling
- Link's super jump glitch
- The IC freeze glitch
- Freezing turnip glitch
- Other minor glitches...

Other Differences
- The Japanese language option was dropped in PAL in favor of Italian, French, Spanish and German.
- Names can now include upper and lower case letters.
- In the English language setting, distances are still measured in meters.
- Characters will not taunt when you press start and start again in Training mode in PAL.
- In Pokemon Stadium the scoreboard will say 'Leader' in PAL rather than 'Current Leader' in NTSC
- The stock icons are slightly smaller in PAL

He's clearly a troll, or a ******, neither of which anyone would care about if banned @.@
 

Da Shuffla

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Pretty sure if Mango played Armada in the GF of a tourney here anytime soon, people would cheer for Armada. Just to see that Mango isn't immortal.

Edit: Maybe not even win, but just to see someone make him sweat.
 

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LOOOOOL, Mango's ego's never going to allow him to be messed with psychologically and Hbox is so used to having the entire world against him so him not having a "home field advantage" or whatever other asinine external factor you may be talking about is ********. Face it Armada won't beat Mango or Hungrybox until he manages to out play them.

edit: it still wouldn't make him the champ because he'd have to have a positive record against them any way. As of now he's been 2-0 against Hbox and 2-1 against Mango in sets.
 

distraction

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Yo...seriously...you can ban this kid and no one will care...seriously...NO ONE, close & delete his threads, ban him, it's so easy...just...make my name red and I'll do it


SEE THIS THREAD FOR ALL VERSION CHANGES:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=57155




He's clearly a troll, or a ******, neither of which anyone would care about if banned @.@

your the troll if you cannot read the OP. im not refering to the specific differences if you read my post you would know. and now get the **** out of my thread, little troll. this is supposed to be a serious discussion what possible consequences there could be if the top player got defeated on pal.
 

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your the troll if you cannot read the OP. im not refering to the specific differences if you read my post you would know. and now get the **** out of my thread, little troll. this is supposed to be a serious discussion what possible consequences there could be if the top player got defeated on pal.
Better to be a troll than an irrational fanboy...
 

Pi

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your the troll if you cannot read the OP. im not refering to the specific differences if you read my post you would know. and now get the **** out of my thread, little troll. this is supposed to be a serious discussion what possible consequences there could be if the top player got defeated on pal.
Seriously
Who are you
What possible motive could you have for being a pimple on these forums
You're not even disrupting the community, most of your threads de-rail into sub discussions in the first page, most of which have nothing to do with the OP because not only are the 'points' you bring up invalid, but also leave no room for discussion because they're ********.
Like...are you blinded by your attempts to troll to see what you're actually accomplishing? Every thread you've made has digressed into a general discussion thread cause no one is taking you seriously.
 

KAOSTAR

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to be honest. its a valid question.

if Ar beat the puff duo who aren't friends in pal, does that make him the best.

my answer is yes. if he can get a positive record vs either in either version its all good.

since peach and puff are the same it doesn't matter.

it can matter for other characters tho.

the puffs probably won't fall to crowd hate. AR would have to just out play them.

now close thread.
 

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I heard what if mind if I join the what if fest?

what if m2k mained falco would be have been as good as he is? or would someone esle go far with marth besides ken?
 

shadowboii

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Has anyone else noticed that ever since distraction started posting, MikeHaggar kind of stopped?
 

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Has anyone else noticed that ever since distraction started posting, MikeHaggar kind of stopped?
yeah we kinda assume all of these "Armada loving accounts" are the same person...
If Mango and Hbox went to Europe, they would take home 1st and 2nd... no question about it... and then Europe would cry
 
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To be fair, the thread title isn't technically saying that Peach gains an advantage over Puff in PAL.

So yes, if Armada can beat Mango/Hbox in PAL, then he would in fact be the best in the world. However there's no reason to think this would happen.

Seriously
Who are you
What possible motive could you have for being a pimple on these forums
You're not even disrupting the community, most of your threads de-rail into sub discussions in the first page, most of which have nothing to do with the OP because not only are the 'points' you bring up invalid, but also leave no room for discussion because they're ********.
Like...are you blinded by your attempts to troll to see what you're actually accomplishing? Every thread you've made has digressed into a general discussion thread cause no one is taking you seriously.
Can I sig this? Pretty please?
 

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it would be hilarious if MikeHAGGAR and distraction were Armada and Aniolas
 

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There was a state here, it's gone now...
The mods should just save themselves time and ban this moronic distraction (aptly named) now before he makes any more brain-dead, idiotic threads.

Tomorrow we'll see

"Armada's peach is better then Mango's Jigglypuff (SRZ TOPIC)"

"Armada would beat Hungrybox in feet melee (TTLY SRZ)"
 

KAOSTAR

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just because he is a troll...

how is it not a valid question tho. AR lost in ntsc and became number 3. as long as he plays mango and hbox peach vs jiggz then its completely legit.

at this point I don't think the other character changes are important and if the americans were to some how lose to some body because of a version difference it wouldn't prove anything.

peach vs jiggz in any version is completely legit since there is no change.
 

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It's not a valid question because the version is irrelevant. There's no point in bringing version into this, thus if he wins, he'll be 1-2 vs both of them or something like that, which does NOT make him better. Therefore, it's a STUPID question
 

distraction

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i also added that pal is the fairer version so a win would count more. read the OP! if armada wins on pal hes the champ its as simple as that.
 

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It's not a valid question because the version is irrelevant. There's no point in bringing version into this, thus if he wins, he'll be 1-2 vs both of them or something like that, which does NOT make him better. Therefore, it's a STUPID question
My point is that a win in the pal version is a legitimate one. I wouldnt separate win ratios between pal and ntsc if it was a peach vs jiggz.

If AR beat hbox in pal then he would be like 1-5(dont remember) or something. He wouldnt be considered better until he catches up in wins as previously stated by a couple of ppl.

I may separate something like pal sheik dittos vs ntsc sheik dittos tho. The version matters in that case.

The version is completely relevant. I could easily see ppl saying that a win in pal didnt count or something if AR ever did beat Hbox. ppl are just gay like that. nothing wrong with asking b4 the fact so ppl cant go back on it and try to pull bull****igans.
i also added that pal is the fairer version so a win would count more. read the OP! if armada wins on pal hes the champ its as simple as that.
See you just mad cuz you got anti trolled. Now you just being dumb. It means absolutely nothing. Jiggz and peach are exactly the same. nothing about the MU is more fair/less fair. AR still needs to beat the puffs and it doesnt matter which version its in.
 

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i also added that pal is the fairer version so a win would count more. read the OP! if armada wins on pal hes the champ its as simple as that.
Except, as people have pointed out over and mother****ing over, Peach and Jiggs are 100% unchanged from ntsc to pal, thus making your john null and void.

And no, he still wouldn't be the champ. Losing twice as much as you win in ANYthing doesn't make you the champ.
 
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