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What if all of us smashers lived in the same area?

Spyro

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Basically, what if all smashers lived within 6 hours of one another?
I know we could have huge tournaments a lot more often.
But, how fast would the meta-game evolve?
Do you think that we would be a lot better at the game since we could play a lot more people?
Please give your thoughts on the topic.
 

zZz

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Every corner, every city
There's a place where life's a little easy
Little Kirby, laid back and cool
Every hour, cause it's all good
Leave all the stress from the world outside
Every missed tech will be alright
Nothin but peace, love
And Smash Bros., this planet needs a Smash Mansion
 

Varist

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edit: **** YOU NOW I CAN'T EVEN WRITE MY DAMN COMMENT GOOD JOB ADDING NOTHING TO THE DISCUSSION AND RUINING MY DAMN LIFE what the **** is an ookami ANYWAY

GTFO.
 

poega

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It'd be cool to do for like a summer, like a 6 week meet
 

Wolfy!

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edit: **** YOU NOW I CAN'T EVEN WRITE MY DAMN COMMENT GOOD JOB ADDING NOTHING TO THE DISCUSSION AND RUINING MY DAMN LIFE what the **** is an ookami ANYWAY

GTFO.
lololololololo

On the actual topic at hand, it would be pretty cool. I like poega's idea. A 6 week meet during summer would be cool.
 

KrIsP!

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lololololololo

On the actual topic at hand, it would be pretty cool. I like poega's idea. A 6 week meet during summer would be cool.
The Smash World Tournament. Best hosts work together to raise funds and get the best venues and hotels, the winner of the tourney decides the next country it will be held in. 8 day event, from multiple smash fests, to smash clinics and of course the tourney itself. Plenty of sponsors and publication, in a perfect world this would happen.

Besides that:I've always thought about one day renting a house out in America for with a large amount of OoC smashers in order to be in driving distance of all tourneys over a 3 month period and hold huge smash fests.
 

DerfMidWest

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well, if we all lived in the same area, the scene would be stronger and the community would probably grow because it would feel like a popular thing.
 

ajp_anton

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I've hosted two one-week events in the summer here in Stockholm, in a cottage near the sea (/lake, whatever) with a sauna. Last summer it failed, but I'll try again this year.
 

Jonas

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I actually live withing six hours of every single Smash player in my country. Too bad the closest ones are like 2-3 hours away, so I don't really get to play with them all the time.
 

Massive

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If we were all in close proximity to one another the smash scene would've died years ago.

Part of the reason we're still going is that there are a lot of people who want to play with others really badly but can't. Their excitement causes them to watch streams and travel to tournaments, keeping this alive.

If we had smash everything all the time, we'd all become desensitized to it.
 

Bones0

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If we were all in close proximity to one another the smash scene would've died years ago.

Part of the reason we're still going is that there are a lot of people who want to play with others really badly but can't. Their excitement causes them to watch streams and travel to tournaments, keeping this alive.

If we had smash everything all the time, we'd all become desensitized to it.
lol... NO.
 
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If we were all in close proximity to one another the smash scene would've died years ago.

Part of the reason we're still going is that there are a lot of people who want to play with others really badly but can't. Their excitement causes them to watch streams and travel to tournaments, keeping this alive.

If we had smash everything all the time, we'd all become desensitized to it.
Oh, then I guess we should just stop working on Melee Online. ;]
 

Myztek

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It'd be cool to see the evolution of the community and how it would differ from a "normal" city.

You would earn a special type of currency only through Smash events/tournaments. Bad players would live in poverty; some would learn how to improve and fight their way to middle class, maybe even upper. Some would never find the errors in their ways, maybe not care to, and forever live in a state of apathy or frustration.

The best players would hold positions of power. Enabling them to make changes to the rule sets of tournaments and other guidelines. This could lead to corruption if the wrong person managed to climb his way to the top. Of course, the top players would have ****-riders, much like Mango currently does (or did have), which would only artificially boost their skill levels and make them seem even more impossible to surpass.

Assuming the top players became obsessed with their power and mass currency, it would be up to someone to believe in themselves enough and train enough to fight their way to the top and restore peace and justice to the Melee community. Or whatever.
 
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It'd be cool to see the evolution of the community and how it would differ from a "normal" city.

You would earn a special type of currency only through Smash events/tournaments. Bad players would live in poverty; some would learn how to improve and fight their way to middle class, maybe even upper. Some would never find the errors in their ways, maybe not care to, and forever live in a state of apathy or frustration.

The best players would hold positions of power. Enabling them to make changes to the rule sets of tournaments and other guidelines. This could lead to corruption if the wrong person managed to climb his way to the top. Of course, the top players would have ****-riders, much like Mango currently does (or did have), which would only artificially boost their skill levels and make them seem even more impossible to surpass.

Assuming the top players became obsessed with their power and mass currency, it would be up to someone to believe in themselves enough and train enough to fight their way to the top and restore peace and justice to the Melee community. Or whatever.
If it were to be like that, the metagame would never evolve because most players would be playing for status rather than for fun. Every tournament would be 90% Fox/Falco.
 

Massive

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Which would be different how?

On a different note, I'm really interested in this online melee project you're working on, you should talk to Rep because he's doing something similar.

:phone:
This is the first I've heard of it, lol.

We're rapidly approaching alpha on ours. We're probably going to do an info-dump around the same time we start testing on it.
 

omgwtfToph

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honestly the whole "lots of smashers living in one location" thing is pretty cool lol

there's a district in Osaka, Japan called Suminodo where there are 5 or 6 apartments owned by good smashers who all live within a 5-10 minute walk of each other. Thunders, Hiko, Cho, AK (super oldschool melee pikachu), 9B (Japan's best brawl player besides Nietono), and a bunch of other good Melee/Brawl players you guys haven't heard of all live there, and anytime there's a tournament (the regular tournament venue happens to be in Suminodo) as well it's always super easy to get housing. And it's pretty cool because there's always a smashfest going on somewhere, or people are always down to hang out.

**** I miss Japan LOL.
 

Fregadero

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I think this would be amazing and I'd never get bored, but the huge lack of female presence would be a problem for me.

:phone:
 

Spyro

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That text color is bad, can't read ****.
I have no problems reading it, looks find to me.

If we were all in close proximity to one another the smash scene would've died years ago.

Part of the reason we're still going is that there are a lot of people who want to play with others really badly but can't. Their excitement causes them to watch streams and travel to tournaments, keeping this alive.

If we had smash everything all the time, we'd all become desensitized to it.
I don't think so, if we were all in one area I think that other smaller smash communities would start showing up around the world. I don't think we would become desensitized to it.
 

_Rocky_

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honestly the whole "lots of smashers living in one location" thing is pretty cool lol

there's a district in Osaka, Japan called Suminodo where there are 5 or 6 apartments owned by good smashers who all live within a 5-10 minute walk of each other. Thunders, Hiko, Cho, AK (super oldschool melee pikachu), 9B (Japan's best brawl player besides Nietono), and a bunch of other good Melee/Brawl players you guys haven't heard of all live there, and anytime there's a tournament (the regular tournament venue happens to be in Suminodo) as well it's always super easy to get housing. And it's pretty cool because there's always a smashfest going on somewhere, or people are always down to hang out.

**** I miss Japan LOL.
This reminds me of the Amsterdam community, minus the tournament venue LMAO

**** I miss the Netherlands
 

KirbyKaze

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I think tricks and stuff would generally become more widespread and regional style differences would become really watered down (if they persisted at all). I also think a lot of obscure characters, gimmicks, & unique styles would get hit really hard (in terms of effectiveness) because everyone would have accessible practice against them. So, basically, like having an online.
 

Bones0

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I think it's interesting you say unique play styles would take a hit from this type of community. I would guess that generic styles would become much less effective because everyone would be more experienced in general. Only players with unique styles would be able to throw people off their game. Everyone else wouldn't be able to get away with abusing the same old tricks that often only work because so many people lack matchup experience.
 

KirbyKaze

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I think it's interesting you say unique play styles would take a hit from this type of community. I would guess that generic styles would become much less effective because everyone would be more experienced in general. Only players with unique styles would be able to throw people off their game. Everyone else wouldn't be able to get away with abusing the same old tricks that often only work because so many people lack matchup experience.
If you understand the nuances of an awkward style or character, you'll also understand a lot of those stylistic choices (or the character itself) are often suboptimal or kind of gimmicky. There's a lack of safety, among other things. I'm kind of reminded of those years Kage had a ton of glory in America but would get disproportionately bad placings at the Canadian tournaments simply because... we knew Ganon and you guys didn't.

I don't think IHSB's or Drephen's styles would perform well in that kind of community just because there would be so much access to players that can perform aspects of those styles or half-baked versions. I've heard a lot of of people with 'bizarre' styles claim they perform better at nationals rather than locals just because the local players understand the nuances of dealing with their gimmicks; once you know those gimmicks, the reason that style of strategy isn't standard becomes glaring.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I love jank; I don't deny its power to make giant swing plays. Jank is incredible. But once it gets discovered and emulated, and becomes available to be practiced against on a semi-regular basis, the weaknesses of jank (i.e. why it's jank) become really exploitable. And if it's not jank because it's really just proven to be consistently good, it becomes standardized anyway (and strengthens the 'generic' model).

The generic standard is standard because it's stood the test of time and held up despite revisions (or, at least, that's how it generally works; the Melee community is kind of silly).
 

Bing

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I agree with what KirbyKaze is saying, I mean we are having a similar discussion in the "How do you play?" Thread or whatever. We all agree that Most of our styles are based off of what other players teach us. So Simply If we all lived together(near each other, region wise) it would be the same thing.

Now of course people can stray from the heard, but the odds of that on a mass scale are slim....
 
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