wh1te5had0w
Smash Journeyman
o-0 i don't like anything about him
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What do you hate about Lucas?
- Thread starter Yoshi-Kirby
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I almost cried. I'm sure Lucas did.LOL straked,thank sakurai.
Its fine alone, but when you the person using it pauses the game so you have to stare at him for a couple seconds before unpausing, it gets really annoying xD
meresilence0
Smash Apprentice
I really don't like his inconsistency with his grab. It's only useful unless you pivot, and that's just plain annoying. That, and his usmash is THE definition of telegraphing. It's avoidable EVERY TIME if you know what your opponent does to get you in range.
Levitas
the moon
huh? While it's true that his usmash's later hitboxes probably don't depend on his location (or rather they depend on where he used to be as opposed to where he is now) lucas doesn't move so much during an upsmash.
I think you mean disjointed. Telegraphing is like what his Dair does, where it can hit close to him or hit really far away depending on whether he's moving up or down.
I think you mean disjointed. Telegraphing is like what his Dair does, where it can hit close to him or hit really far away depending on whether he's moving up or down.
wh1te5had0w
Smash Journeyman
the grab is so bad
PillowPants
Smash Apprentice
why is everybody crying about his range? his grab is bad but he has hella disjointed moves
ChaosTheoryX
Smash Lord
it's like having a yo-yo with a 3 inch string....sure it's disjointed but **** XD
Zephron
Smash Ace
Freaking hate his grab <_<
I also wish his taunts were cooler, he didn't sound so pitiful when he dies, (star KO makes me feel like a 4 year old child) and I wish people didn't consider him less skillful over Ness, who is just as easy to spam with, IMO. Idk I used Ness on one of my friends for the first time and I did really well <_<
I main Lucas because I love his game, I love the flow of his moves, his smashes are fantastic, and his aerials are pretty good to combo with. His moveset is great guys, just everyone else's is pure crap : |
One last thing, I hate it that whenever I play a marth, and I'm beating him, he always resorts to the infinite grab just so he wins <_<
Hive Mind
Smash Journeyman
his grab game in general. It makes me want to play ness
FireKirby7
Smash Lord
That only happens when you use it really close to the edge.
In other words, Rope Snake.
And Lucas grab is awesome. You guys are doing it wrong.
PKNintendo
Smash Master
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Me?
Let's just say Brawl Lucas doesn't hold a candle to M3 Lucas.
He's a bad character (hopping he'd be high tier)
and he's a sissy in SSE.
Let's just say Brawl Lucas doesn't hold a candle to M3 Lucas.
He's a bad character (hopping he'd be high tier)
and he's a sissy in SSE.
ToxiCrow
Smash Ace
^^^in the begining yeah but afterwards he gets tougher
neither mother child can hold a candle to their real game character
neither mother child can hold a candle to their real game character
ChaosTheoryX
Smash Lord
This, like the cake, is a LIE!!!!!!
ToxiCrow
Smash Ace
umm idk if you know, but lucas has the best grab in the game
and the best zair (if u no how to use it)
ChaosTheoryX
Smash Lord
Haha soo many mind gamez XD
I actually used it a couple times in pools at the tourney last saturday just to see how people would react....funny stuffs =P
The_Bear735
Smash Journeyman
Cosigned.
He has one of the most useful pivots in the metagame, and his Zair is what makes him better than Ness (the current tier list says otherwise :O). The only problem is that people who are inexperienced and/or not smart will try to pivot, find out how hard it is to master, and then give up on his grab game, which is arguably one of the most useful for follow-ups. Lucas's pivot is also the hardest pivot to punish because it comes out so quickly with little afterlag and can keep distance because it's a tether. It's also Lucas's best grab option because it comes out quickest of all his grab choices and is difficult to punish.
And with Zair, most people don't take the time learn when grab will air dodge and when it will Zair or assign grab to another button and they often disregard it because Lucas's PKT2 can usually recover. However, Zair is almost always the better choice, and PKT2 will leave you wide open to punishes. Plus, Zair is more reliable once you spend an hour or so learning how to use it to your advantage.
So long as you don't become predictable with pivoting or Zair recoveries, you can do amazing things with them. I don't know why anyone who mains Lucas wouldn't use either.
ChaosTheoryX
Smash Lord
Affinity
Smash Hero
Lucas Z-air Mindgamez FTW
~Pink Fresh~
Smash Master
No, it does not.
ChaosTheoryX
Smash Lord
Sadly pivot grab doesn't even increase the grab's range almost at all. Only benefit is not as much reciculously long ending lag so its safer to use, but still sucks balls
The_Bear735
Smash Journeyman
Lies and slander
crap now I feel like an idiot because I don't do my frame hw. :\ w/e, I get punished more for normal.
ToxiCrow
Smash Ace
i was talking about zair.
why does everyone keep saying lucas' grab game sucks? his dashing grab is one of the fastest grabs in the game!
why does everyone keep saying lucas' grab game sucks? his dashing grab is one of the fastest grabs in the game!
AmazingXeno
Smash Cadet
Well, his pivot grab has amazing range but i fell the same way about it.
I hate how he can get punished if you miss or don't complete the final hit with his Nair.
I also hate his ending grab lagg, major punishable.
I also hate how everyone whines about him being cheep and about his Fsmash.
His Fsmash is so good because did u ever notice when you win, one of his poses is him sharpening his stick...so he's obviously cheating for the next round, but I don't think anyone knows about that >->
I hate how he can get punished if you miss or don't complete the final hit with his Nair.
I also hate his ending grab lagg, major punishable.
I also hate how everyone whines about him being cheep and about his Fsmash.
His Fsmash is so good because did u ever notice when you win, one of his poses is him sharpening his stick...so he's obviously cheating for the next round, but I don't think anyone knows about that >->
Xyless
Smash Master
I hate that I can never freaking beat him.
Levitas
the moon
Pivot grab reduces the total frame count by 20 frames (1/3 of a second), making it less punishable for sure, but it still lasts 49 frames, which is certainly more than most grabs last (Ness's grabs all last 34 or 35), which has almost the same difference between duration of lucas's pivot grab and his grabs as lucas has between his normal and pivots, lol.
The thing that protects lucas most is that the opponent can't be very close and just fsmash or whatever. Their best punishment is probably gonna be run in and grab because of the ropesnake's range.
The thing that protects lucas most is that the opponent can't be very close and just fsmash or whatever. Their best punishment is probably gonna be run in and grab because of the ropesnake's range.
I hate a few things about Lucas actually...
Grabbing game is like useless in a 1vs1, Usmash has WAY to much lag, Easy CG, zair is only useable for tethering which can be exploited easily, and teams are hard if your partner has no energy projectile.
But hes a good kid and I chose him because i'm a huge Mother fan and when Lucas was announced I had to know how he was and we just clicked. xD The Mother kids always stood out to me but Lucas was awesome Idk why he appeals so much to me. His playstyle sure fits mine thou. Lots of combos at his disposal plus gimpy/spacey projectiles.
He's a good kid I like him for this reason but I can see why people don't like him as I play under said condtions regardless. xD
Grabbing game is like useless in a 1vs1, Usmash has WAY to much lag, Easy CG, zair is only useable for tethering which can be exploited easily, and teams are hard if your partner has no energy projectile.
But hes a good kid and I chose him because i'm a huge Mother fan and when Lucas was announced I had to know how he was and we just clicked. xD The Mother kids always stood out to me but Lucas was awesome Idk why he appeals so much to me. His playstyle sure fits mine thou. Lots of combos at his disposal plus gimpy/spacey projectiles.
He's a good kid I like him for this reason but I can see why people don't like him as I play under said condtions regardless. xD
Levitas
the moon
Ga-in, usually when that happens to me it's because I'm holding the down direction still as I get to the edge (though it does happen other random times.
MeLL0W, it's always sweet to see that other people have played the Mother series. Have you played M3?
Both of you, welcome to smashboards ^_^
MeLL0W, it's always sweet to see that other people have played the Mother series. Have you played M3?
Both of you, welcome to smashboards ^_^
ToxiCrow
Smash Ace
mother 3 = buttload of fun
S.D
Smash Master
I hate that Lucas sucks.
I love the game that he is from however/the whole series <3 <3 <3
I love the game that he is from however/the whole series <3 <3 <3