What are your opinions on Project M?

[Jockmaster]

>implying that's what I meant

Please don't greentext outside of 4chan you look stupid

 

[The Star King]

In his defense, even if he didn't do that he would have looked stupid, thanks to the content of his posts.

 

[Yodery]

So just because I don't ****ride Project M every other minute, I'm stupid? Okay.

And lol @ Strong Bad. Implying I act like I know anything, because I, again, don't d-ride PM every other minute.

But okay, I admit it, it's a good idea, and I have played it, but I'm just not a fan of it. =/

 

[Shadow Huan]

bowser is amazing in Project M!...

well not against the Links

but he's not a worthless character. makes me happy to be able to play one of my favorite characers and have a fighting chance against most of the characters

melee has become annoying to me with it's 5 or 6 characters, with fox and falco capable of lolstomping everything, and sheik making over half the cast unviable with a grab.

so i've only been playing project M. no more melee lol

 

[metroid1117]

Has any Ike won a sizable PM tourney yet? I feel like even with all the hype and "brokenness" other characters still always end up winning it all.

I still don't see how people think that Ike himself is broken as opposed to him simply being easy to use. I feel that he is no different than Sheik in terms of strengths and weaknesses (in that the strengths are easily usable and the weaknesses seem difficult to exploit but in reality are pretty easy for many characters).

I won a PM side-tournament in Illinois with 41 entrants and a PM-only tournament in California with 21 entrants (only two of which had an established Melee background though). Eli used Ike in some of his matches and won PMS, which also had 21 entrants.

 

[Strong Badam]

So just because I don't ****ride Project M every other minute, I'm stupid? Okay.

And lol @ Strong Bad. Implying I act like I know anything, because I, again, don't d-ride PM every other minute.

But okay, I admit it, it's a good idea, and I have played it, but I'm just not a fan of it. =/

your like or dislike of Project M is irrelevant to your intelligence or lack thereof.
the reasons from which you seem to have founded your opinion are bad and/or weak, therefore you are stupid.
very simple

 

[Purpletuce]

I like it, but I don't feel like it is as competitive as Melee. To me, P:M is a shake-up, for when Melee is monotonous. I think a few characters could have some buffs, and Ike could do with a nerf.

My biggest problem with it is, P:M is a DEMO.

Once the real deal comes out, players can have security that the game is solid, and don't have to worry about their character getting nerfed, a new char coming out that counters theirs hard, a char they like more, etc. P:M won't be able to develop a metagame until the game is complete.



Also, there is no Yoshi. I hope he is made as technical/more technical than in Melee.

 

[`dazrin]

Have faith in the PMBR.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I am withholding all of my P:M judgment until Zero Suit Samus is done. Then I will become the best ZSS in the US.

 

[Wake]

You just like her for the fan service.

 

[ShroudedOne]

You have no faith in me.

 

[Divinokage]

If you care so much about what others think, you'll never be the best.

 

[GMaster171]

If you care so much about what others think, you'll never be the best.

Pretty much the basis of playing a "low tier" character.

btw, Kirby and olimar already sorta fit in to melee playstyle (been trying them out in event mode lol) other than the fact they are still brawl-floaty, they are interesting to play, to say the least.

back to waiting (painting controller)

 

[Kink-Link5]

If you care so much about what others think, you'll never be the best.

You can't win if you think too much ~ Allegretto

 

[Divinokage]

Pretty much the basis of playing a "low tier" character

?? It has nothing to do with pride, it has more something to do to find yourself and realize the truth in what you are doing. I mean playing the game the most optimal way you can, it means understanding something deeply. When you can do that, you can pretty much play any character you want.

You can't win if you think too much ~ Allegretto

Heh, ya you just gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[PGH Carroll]

I am withholding all of my P:M judgment until Zero Suit Samus is done. Then I will become the best ZSS in the US.

I will never let you do this.
I suffered through brawl maining ZSS.
You won't even be the best ZSS in our Facebook group.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Challenge accepted. She's probably the only enjoyable thing about that game, and I feel you...but I'm definitely not going to take that from you.

 

[foshio]

I am withholding all of my P:M judgment until Zero Suit Samus is done. Then I will become the best ZSS in the US.

Meh you'll still get whooped by the future best in Canada (me :D)

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Why does eveyone (including me) want to play zss? (Will be the best zss clearly)

 

[Purpletuce]

I want to plat Yoshi . . .

because you have dirty minds,.

 

[ItalianStallion]

For everyone saying Ike's recovery needs a nerf, I have this to say. Although his recovery seems way too good, it has a big weakness. While the sword he throws up first is annoying as heck, it also does something good for you: indicates that he's recovering. Unlike most recoveries, Ike's basically gives you a signal that Ike will be recovering. This means you know exactly when Ike himself will be moving (Following up the sword), and therefore can time accordingly. As for what to do against it, it varies on the character, but I would say the best option involves going offstage and hitting him from behind as he comes up, which is easy to time because Ike's sword gives you the signal. It's things like this that we have to realize may completely effect how broken a character seems to be. I'll be the first to admit that some characters need buffs(I could be wrong though), but I don't think anybody needs nerfs at this point in time. We have to let the game mature a bit.

And I can almost guarantee that the people saying that the game feels slower are feeling the effects of the 1 frame delay. They are right in saying that the game feels slower because the game IS slower. The 1 frame delay effects a lot more than some might think. It's really noticeable on space animals, and on a person's melee main (Especially if they are a technical melee player transitioning to PM). Once the 1 frame delay is fixed though, people will play it again and realize that that was the main reason why they were turned off before. Then we will have less of people saying the game is slower because then the physics will be 1:1. It's something to look forward to.

 

[abcool]

For everyone saying Ike's recovery needs a nerf, I have this to say. Although his recovery seems way too good, it has a big weakness. While the sword he throws up first is annoying as heck, it also does something good for you: indicates that he's recovering. Unlike most recoveries, Ike's basically gives you a signal that Ike will be recovering. This means you know exactly when Ike himself will be moving (Following up the sword), and therefore can time accordingly. As for what to do against it, it varies on the character, but I would say the best option involves going offstage and hitting him from behind as he comes up, which is easy to time because Ike's sword gives you the signal. It's things like this that we have to realize may completely effect how broken a character seems to be. I'll be the first to admit that some characters need buffs(I could be wrong though), but I don't think anybody needs nerfs at this point in time. We have to let the game mature a bit.

And I can almost guarantee that the people saying that the game feels slower are feeling the effects of the 1 frame delay. They are right in saying that the game feels slower because the game IS slower. The 1 frame delay effects a lot more than some might think. It's really noticeable on space animals, and on a person's melee main (Especially if they are a technical melee player transitioning to PM). Once the 1 frame delay is fixed though, people will play it again and realize that that was the main reason why they were turned off before. Then we will have less of people saying the game is slower because then the physics will be 1:1. It's something to look forward to.

I would agree, but no one is complaining about that aspect of Ike's recovery. The main issue with Ike is that even if you hit him, he can just QD into the wall and wash, rinse and repeat the same garbage over and over again. Also, you take a huge risk with some characters running offstage to deal with Ike. It's like trying to edgeguard metaknight in Brawl or Sheik in Melee with that tactic. The QD recovery is the main issue not the Up-B. I agree with everything else.

 

[BJN39]

Why does eveyone (including me) want to play zss? (Will be the best zss clearly)

Well, for me it's because I loved playing ZSS in Brawl, and I hope she's even more fun in P:M. I'm still skeptical about her fall speed though.

 

[Doomolish]

It attracts the interest of Brawl players who played it just for being "the new Smash game".

I think this game affects the Melee community on favor.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Well, for me it's because I loved playing ZSS in Brawl, and I hope she's even more fun in P:M. I'm still skeptical about her fall speed though.

Pretty much this.

Too much competition. Dunno if I can handle this.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

It attracts the interest of Brawl players who played it just for being "the new Smash game".

I think this game affects the Melee community on favor.

I agree with this by alot.
Also remember there was a PM article on IGN a while back, I think this will do alot of good for the community.

Somebody ought to send this project to some modding competition, what these people have managed to do without any tools is mindblowing to say the least.

 

[GHNeko]

This thread makes me feel warm inside. <3

 

[PB&J]

I like it, but I don't feel like it is as competitive as Melee. To me, P:M is a shake-up, for when Melee is monotonous. I think a few characters could have some buffs, and Ike could do with a nerf.

My biggest problem with it is, P:M is a DEMO.

Once the real deal comes out, players can have security that the game is solid, and don't have to worry about their character getting nerfed, a new char coming out that counters theirs hard, a char they like more, etc. P:M won't be able to develop a metagame until the game is complete.



Also, there is no Yoshi. I hope he is made as technical/more technical than in Melee.

These are my exact thoughts tbh and i hope that for the very first time they make yoshi jump out of shield. Please

 

[Purpletuce]

I hope Yoshi can't jump out of shield. Yoshi has always been a unique character with unique options, and not being able to jump out of shield was always one of his limitations, I would rather see him get more obscure things. ATM I've been practicing shield drop - > platform cancel U-air, and shield drop - > DJL onto platform -> punish. Yoshi can't jump out of shield, so I learned to shield drop.

I think Melee characters should remain true to how they were, and be balanced from there, not reset to play more like the top tier.

 

[Shadow Huan]

yoshi can jump out of sheild in 64 tho lol

 

[Purpletuce]

I don't play 64. I was talking about Melee, it isn't Project N64

 

[The Star King]

I believe he was referring to PB&J saying "for the very first time they make Yoshi jump out of shield".

I personally want him to be able to jump OoS. But then, I pretty much want Smash 64 Yoshi in the game so yeah

Spoiler

Give him his 64 bair

 

[Kink-Link5]

Give him his 64 bair

A thousand times this. The tail wag is mad ********.

 

[phish-it]

I like the ******** tail wag. Isn't it kind of boring when every char has a similar/generic back kick for a back air?

 

[The Star King]

I love my generic back kicks

 

[Shadow Huan]

i'm with Phish-It lol, the tail wag is fine imo

it would need to be reworked a bit tho lol

oh and star king is right, i was replying to pb&j's post lol

 

[Purpletuce]

I love the tail wag, it is an awesome combo move. Also, I feel like the point of Yoshi is "different isn't worse", so tail wag works IMO.

Then again, I'm not PMBR.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope Yoshi can't jump out of shield. Yoshi has always been a unique character with unique options, and not being able to jump out of shield was always one of his limitations, I would rather see him get more obscure things. ATM I've been practicing shield drop - > platform cancel U-air, and shield drop - > DJL onto platform -> punish. Yoshi can't jump out of shield, so I learned to shield drop.

I think Melee characters should remain true to how they were, and be balanced from there, not reset to play more like the top tier.

same deal with falcon, everyone says I should like falcon more because side-b grabs edge, no landing lag w/e, BUT I like falcon better BECAUSE of his flaws. Being able to edgecancel up-bs to avoid landing lag was pretty sick

 

[abcool]

same deal with falcon, everyone says I should like falcon more because side-b grabs edge, no landing lag w/e, BUT I like falcon better BECAUSE of his flaws. Being able to edgecancel up-bs to avoid landing lag was pretty sick

I think that is exactly what the PMBR is doing giving characters that were high tier in Melee subtle changes. Falcon got destroyed in Melee because of his recovery. Imagine that vs Ike sword you would be crying for a buff. I think Falcon is pretty much the same in P:M as he was in Melee, he didn't get a serious boost only some stuff to not allow the new competition to put him down all the way, still hard as **** to use in high level play. I just hate that scarf and stupid running/kicking sfx.

All the people that complain about P:M gameplay wise just realize the PMBR needs you to playtest the characters to see if they have the tools to compete at a high level, so do them a favor and win tournies with your favorite, if you do, they might get put on the nerf train or just left alone in future builds and release just the same in the final built.

 

[Twinkles]

PM Wolf is incredibly, incredibly fun and has a lot of potential for super interesting, super janky play styles.