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and I just posted that I think a second kirby is uneccesary and also very unlikely. it's an interesting idea but I would rather just one kirby that uses a wider array of copy abilities in his moveset
Perfectly fine. Everyone can and should share their opinion if they are willing; I just stated mine.
kirby is kind of different from most fighters in that he doesn't really have game specific abilities, sure some copy abilites are only in certain games but for the most part they aren't just associated with a specific title like abilities for characters like mario or sonic
Maybe they can do what the Crusade fangame does and have certain characters have different "modes" that have distinct movesets.
The problem with that, which I spoke of earlier, is that if you make every canonical reference of that character a justification for using particular move, then at least eventually, two things happen: A: The moveset does not revolve around a consistent playstyle (e.g. Donkey Kong using his coconut gun), and B: Their will be too many opportunities for too many characters to overlap in their move types, rendering the overall gameplay decreasingly unique for each character and each move included (e.g. If Kirby with his ,flame boosting technique, made it into Smash Bros., his gameplay would revolve less around air play and general, close quarters fighting. This aside, it would resemble Firefox, which would be fine if the majority of Kirby's moves centered around the playstyle promoted by such a technique.)
I agree, but I would further that when compiling a moveset for a character with sufficient references, it should (as always, this is what I think) not be move-centric, but gameplay-centric. For example, in the Kirby game I played (I assume the following to be true of most of the classical Kirby titles), Kirby could run, slide, and fly, giving him multiple movement options, yet because of his lack of his own defense moves and ironically slow escape when danger is too close, he would have difficulty getting out of precarious situations. This I believe should be reflected in his Smash Bros. incarnation-- slow airspeed, short range, and lack of repulsor attacks. I MADE A MISTAKE, AND I SHOULD HAVE MULTI QUOTED!
Kirby's Burning Fireball is just a dash attack though. It doesn't resemble Fire Fox functionally at all.
If you and I are thinking of the same move (Kirby rapidly boosting forward while surrounded by flames), I can imagine two ways of portraying it in Brawl. The first has Kirby moving in a single direction, and depending on the controllability of that direction, it would seemingly resemble Firefox with faster start up. The second has Kirby moving only in his current direction, but it happens very quickly, and is spammable, which is consistent with Kirby's Dream Land, however, this might lead to balancing issues, so I defaulted to the first option, which is why I said it would resemble Firefox.
But Burning Fireball only goes in the direction you're running and is a Dash Attack while Fire Fox goes in all directions and is an Up-B.
I agree with point A, since some characters need to ignore certain aspects just to be balanced out like Sephiroth and Mewtwo being lightweights.
The key phrase is "decreasingly unique with each character and each move." With a sufficiently small group of characters sharing similar moves (in this case, Luigi and Mario), they can still be distinctive, but how many characters and moves can you add before that distinctiveness dwindles to the point of having a file cabinet of variants of the same move?
That's Roblox, not Minecraft. Similar aesthetics, true, but different game.
I guess if you paint with a very broad brush, you can say that Fox, Pikachu, Mario, and Luigi's neutral-Bs are fundamentally the same move because they are projectiles. Probably not a good example.
All of this.
I know that I'm bringing up the Crusade fangame a lot, but the boost is in it, and... honestly it doesn't really work well there. It's hard for me to imagine the boost working unless they severely nerf it to the point where it feels unimpressive (e.g. it's the same speed as his normal running).
I think they should have put star effects on KO Punch so they would merge the arcade/SNES move with the NES/Wii move.
I guess that's just the cost of making his specialset not have his buster at all. You win some you lose some. Besides, we already have quite a bit of "charge shot" moves like Samus, Mewtwo, and Lucario's Neutral-Bs; it's refreshing to see one be a projectile normal.
(My apologies for the delay. I was writing up this long-winded answer, but ended up lost, and I realized how late it was, and started being unable to concentrate properly, so I cancelled it)
Same for Roy.
Roy is a rushdown character that wants people to be up close while Ike wants to keep people at sword's length. I say it fits Ike more, especially with characters like Cloud running around. Weights were never a determining factor on who gets projectiles anyway, every weight from Pichu to Snake has projectiles.
Good point. I'm trying to speak more of their archetypes rather than their weight though. Ike already has quite a bit of range and a focus on keepaway, so adding a projectile to him would make him frustrating to play against.
That's why I'm fine if it was a ranged counter alternative. A niche option that only works when the opponent itself is using projectiles. If it was stuck on the slowest counter in the entire game, I'm sure a mediocre blade beam wouldn't ruffle anyone's feathers. Even if it was a normal slow blade beam like Cloud, compared to him, his kills and he's a faster character on top of that.
A remote explosion most likely.
In Ultimate, at 0% your FSmash shoots out a beam.
I don't really know if giving him inkling's ink system is a good idea, it would take away from inkling's uniqueness. I was thinking he could use it for some tilts and smash attacks
actually i've thought of peach using rage as a neutral special if toad were to be added, maybe gloom would actually work as a final smash where peach fills up the stage with water and drowns everyone or something along those lines, calm is pretty much healing iirc so i'm not sure it would work, maybe it could be a taunt?
I am a proponent of making characters as unique as possible, so for the most part, I agree with you. However, as has been pointed out to me in a Dr. Eggman support thread, there is a sort of appeal in having archetypes provided there are not too many characters in each archetype. A similar notion could be argued for mechanics, however, I do think replicas in this department should be implemented more sparingly.
I get the idea of an archetype, but to me there is a difference between an archetype and sharing a gimmick, it'd be like if you gave another character hero's command menu, only place I think that should be done is with an echo fighter
honestly I fail to see how eggman's moveset would be like bowser jr's. I always imagined him in a walker, firing missiles and lasers and the like, maybe even using badniks. and boom boom doesn't make much sense either as his body is even less similar to the koopaling's and him being in the clown car doesn't make much sense at all.
I cannot speak on Ridley, but Samus ,being as projectile-oriented as she is, should have more options. I also believe she should have the ability to angle her shots, as in a demo of Metroid I tried, as well as be able to move while firing.
A good amount of Jr.'s has a close counterpart to an an Egg Mobile weapon that Eggman has used before. Sometimes the similarities are so close that it makes Jr.'s moveset as a whole come off as an Eggman moveset that just isn't used for him for some reason. Some would have to be replaced with something entirely new, but for the most part there's little that would need to be altered significantly.
But the Egg Walker doesn't represent Eggman anywhere near as well as a mixture of Eggman's other weapons. He has plenty of other weaponry to utilize. Reducing him to using just one machine wouldn't do him justice. It's basically just creating another Bowser Jr. situation in the first place: slapping him into something he isn't anywhere near as well known for instead of what he's really known for.
I mean, you're not wrong. I mostly said that just to find a way to keep the Koopalings while letting Jr. free of the Clown Car if Eggman couldn't be an option for whatever reason, and Boom Boom was the most logical option.
With this I agree. This is an ongoing problem in my mind, and I have thought of a few ideas, but they are mostly awkward with respect to the Smash Bros. framework. My latest idea:
Like Janx said, just putting paint on a few normals wouldn't be that bad. I'd personally just change his jab so that he uses his paintbrush in conjunction with his clown car fists and change his F-tilt to be a paintbrush poke.
