Watching Little Boys: A Lucas Video Thread

[D e l t a]

0:28 was supposed to be a DJC uair, I just messed it up. The other times you posted were my slip ups as well, but I do think netplay can sometimes slip you up when you're moving so fast.

I also did a lot of full jump zair istead of wavedashing like I intended to this set by mistake and I have no idea why. I have NEVER done that before, especially not so frequently lol.

As for what combos into what, I already know about everything you said, it's just a matter of me actually doing it. My combos have definitely improved since 3.5, but I do understand that my vid in particular doesn't show it off too well since I just felt like using lots of tech skill
Not gonna lie though, there are some characters that I still suck at comboing. It's frustrating lol.

Maybe next week I'll play another match and focus solely on continuing combos instead of magnet flash and then post the vid here.

I do love my magnet flash though

Yeah that'd be cool to see some more Lucas play in action. I wish I could record my training sessions so you all could see the stuff I've been working on.

I figured most of the slip-ups were accidental bc of Netplay lag. I saw a full hop Uair so I assumed it was supposed to be a DJC Uair. Mostly posted the other options just in case you or others didn't know about additional followups.

Which characters do you have trouble comboing? I've come close to figuring out true combos for most DI situations on all the weight classes.

 

[D e l t a]

So I don't have recording stuff, but I have a phone. For those asking to see my Lucas, here's a quick combo I did on a CPU Puff. I'll try to upload a few other quick gifs later this week. If only there was good people in my area I could record myself fighting :/

 

[Scraket]

So I don't have recording stuff, but I have a phone. For those asking to see my Lucas, here's a quick combo I did on a CPU Puff. I'll try to upload a few other quick gifs later this week. If only there was good people in my area I could record myself fighting :/

uh not to hate but cpu combos don't really mean much.
Do you have any gameplay against others? Maybe you should try playing on wifi(despite it being terribly laggy at times).
It would be fun playing against you

 

[D e l t a]

I know. I dont have anybody good around me and I can't get full matches recorded. I just wanted to upload a quick vid of me playing. CPUs are the only thing I can really record currently. I don't have wifi or netplay which sucks >_>

Next month or two I'm attempting to build a really sick desktop and buy recording stuff. Then I can show how good my Lucas truly is!

CPUs aren't totally worthless. If my opponent was DI'ing the same way it would be the exact same situation. Not to mention comboing Jiggs is not easy in the slightest lol. Regardless, I always get at least 0-50% combos off one hit confirm, CPU or not. All because I practice many options over and over again until I know exactly what I can and can't do.

 

[20PK]

New Neon Sets up on AZSmash! They give a shoutout to @ Kipcom in this one around 3mins in

KIPTIPS

 

[D e l t a]

K I P • T I P • B O Y Z

"Yeah you should start a Reddit thread. Tell people to get better. Start a list.
1-18. Git gud
19. Acquire proficiency."

"How to get good: git gud."

THIS IS WHY I LOVE AZPM <3

 

[20PK]

So anyone know what sort of hot drama happened with Neon in their scene to make everyone apparently hate him?

 

[D e l t a]

So anyone know what sort of hot drama happened with Neon in their scene to make everyone apparently hate him?

Wait, what?? Jordan is like the nicest person I've known in all of Smash history. Unless he's changed recently which is possible, but unlikely.

 

[20PK]

IDK, just some of these comments by the AZ commentators don't seem too friendly. Albeit they might just be jokingly talking about it and I couldn't get the hard read on the sarcasm, IDK.

Also, video of my friendlies sesh is being uploaded but video processing is taking aaaggees

The video's at least two hours, so I'll just timestamp a couple of matches that you guys can give feedback on if you want (there's probably a lot to dig into, most of which I'm aware of but just haven't got around to practising yet).

 

[D e l t a]

IDK, just some of these comments by the AZ commentators don't seem too friendly. Albeit they might just be jokingly talking about it and I couldn't get the hard read on the sarcasm, IDK.

Also, video of my friendlies sesh is being uploaded but video processing is taking aaaggees

The video's at least two hours, so I'll just timestamp a couple of matches that you guys can give feedback on if you want (there's probably a lot to dig into, most of which I'm aware of but just haven't got around to practising yet).

I didn't really pay attention too much to their comments this time other than the K I P • T I P S part. They're heavily biased and sometimes funny to listen to.

Is the video you're uploading all you? I'd be hyped to see some good Lucas play for 2 hours rather than search on YouTube for someone that's half decent or watch only PF's last stock every game lol.

 

[20PK]

The video gonna be just a friendlies rotation between me and 3, mostly 2, other players.

I'd be hyped to see some good Lucas play for 2 hours rather than search on YouTube for someone that's half decent or watch only PF's last stock every game lol.

good Lucas play

good

ahahahahahahasdhjkahjlasdf

I've only started playing last month and don't have fundamentals at all, so there'll be a lot to dig into.

 

[Kipcom]

Neon's not hated by AZ. They just like to point out of cockiness/snarky attitude and make fun of it.
That's what I get out of it at least.

 

[D e l t a]

The video gonna be just a friendlies rotation between me and 3, mostly 2, other players.


ahahahahahahasdhjkahjlasdf

I've only started playing last month and don't have fundamentals at all, so there'll be a lot to dig into.

Not to insult or be mean, thought it was Kipcom that was uploading the 2hr set after I saw he uploaded his friendlies match. Either way, I've seen some truly garbo Lucas' that only dash attack, grab, attempt PKF, and don't even understand how his Dair works. You probably can't be worse than that. If you are, then there's a ton of work ahead for you lol. At least you're in the right place with some of the better / more knowledgeable Lucas' currently

 

[Kipcom]

Which characters do you have trouble comboing? I've come close to figuring out true combos for most DI situations on all the weight classes.

Hmm, Marth, most light + floaty characters (peach, zelda, g&w), ZSS, Sonic, and a few others.

Basically character's who aren't at all combo food.

 

[Squ0ldrive]

Hello Everyone! This is the post that we all have waiting for.

The Sadest Videos of Little Boys Ever
Do forgive the video res, I used a easily crap, wait Im mean Easycap to record the videos, that I got for 8 dollars online.
The gameplay is far below sub par, and I am likely the worst Lucas main out there. But that is ok, I plain on getting much better.
that is why I am post videos of my Lucas here to being with.

All these are CPU's because there is not any smash community in the town I live at.


The Videos

Video 1 and more i think
Here is the first video it is me playing Allstar mode. This video has highlight questions through out the video.
http://youtu.be/yEaf9Gvr8XU

Video 2 http://youtu.be/ezO9fqMYOCM

Video 3 http://youtu.be/8nZx6EkF8oc

Video 4 at the same time on FD!
http://youtu.be/FCooaECqPxo

Video 5
http://youtu.be/An18IoBSqKM

Video 6
http://youtu.be/i_TRfKLNayg

video 7
http://youtu.be/53NUJ_No3ao

Video 8
http://youtu.be/V1_s_zGYRik

Some Questions
The first question I have what are my bad habits?
The second question is what video call my "best" video.

How do I get the magnet in on someone?

what do I need to work on the most?

what should be the first thing I should change about my Lucas?

What was my worst play?

I would like any advice you can give me too!

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

Ok, remember I am only trying to help you improve, and not try to criticize you. First: you up-smashed way to much., but I loved how you comboed fox into three up-smashes XD. Second, a lot of the time you seem to do dash attacks and go for the full-hop down air. Make sure you L-cancel, and go for the down-air with short-hop. You also go for down-B a lot. There were several times where I saw you crouch for down-B, but got hit. Third, spam side-b as fast as you can XD
Use it a lot more and use wavedash/wavelanding to cut lag. This may also help your movement. Sorry for the quick response, just have to prepare for a test
I will be able to look at it more in the weekend.

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

PKF is a good way to deal with Link's side b. There is a good amount of lag afterwards, so be quick to punish it!

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

The first question I have what are my bad habits?
Constant Upsmash, dash, magnet, downair, no l cancel attempts, no wavedash/wavelanding

The second question is what video call my "best" video.
Don't know only watched one.

How do I get the magnet in on someone?
Waveland into magnet/shorthop magnet

what do I need to work on the most?
Movement and combo ability

what should be the first thing I should change about my Lucas?
Your comboing, don't use the same move over and over and grab a lot more. His grab is very long.

What was my worst play?
Spamming three up smash in a row. It worked on a cpu but a real person would DI


Remember, Im not trying to be super mean, just have to be very brief ATM

 

[Squ0ldrive]

@ Sur Fartsalot no worrys, this is what I want. This is healthy advice. :D

So I am a little too trigger happy with the upsmashs. Lol

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

Could have come out a bit nicer sorry
Just very busy ATM. I will be able to intensely look at it probably Thursday night after my test with some nicer advice

 

[Squ0ldrive]

Could have come out a bit nicer sorry
Just very busy ATM. I will be able to intensely look at it probably Thursday night after my test with some nicer advice

No ,dont be sorry.

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

ZMAN After seeing so many consecutive upsmashes: Spazzing out

 

[D e l t a]

Hello Everyone! This is the post that we all have waiting for.
The Sadest Videos of Little Boys Ever
Do forgive the video res, I used a easily crap, wait Im mean Easycap to record the videos, that I got for 8 dollars online.
The gameplay is far below sub par, and I am likely the worst Lucas main out there. But that is ok, I plain on getting much better.
that is why I am post videos of my Lucas here to being with.

All these are CPU's because there is not any smash community in the town I live at.


The Videos

Video 1 and more i think
Here is the first video it is me playing Allstar mode. This video has highlight questions through out the video.
http://youtu.be/yEaf9Gvr8XU

Video 2 http://youtu.be/ezO9fqMYOCM

Video 3 http://youtu.be/8nZx6EkF8oc

Video 4 at the same time on FD!
http://youtu.be/FCooaECqPxo

Video 5
http://youtu.be/An18IoBSqKM

Video 6
http://youtu.be/i_TRfKLNayg

video 7
http://youtu.be/53NUJ_No3ao

Video 8
http://youtu.be/V1_s_zGYRik
Some Questions
The first question I have what are my bad habits?
The second question is what video call my "best" video.

How do I get the magnet in on someone?

what do I need to work on the most?

what should be the first thing I should change about my Lucas?

What was my worst play?

I would like any advice you can give me too!

I'll take a look later. Also, thank you for posting specific questions. Makes it slightly easier for me to work with

 

[Squ0ldrive]

I'll take a look later. Also, thank you for posting specific questions. Makes it slightly easier for me to work with

Hype!

 

[Scraket]

@Squ0ldrive it looks like you need to work on your fundamentals more (dash dancing, L-canceling, spacing, DI, etc). Movement is extremely important! Also you seem to use a lot of punishable moves like smashes, dash attacks, rolls, when you should be trying to find a combo opportunity.

 

[Squ0ldrive]

@Squ0ldrive it looks like you need to work on your fundamentals more (dash dancing, L-canceling, spacing, DI, etc). Movement is extremely important! Also you seem to use a lot of punishable moves like smashes, dash attacks, rolls, when you should be trying to find a combo opportunity.

How would I go about looking for a combo opportunity?

 

[D e l t a]

How would I go about looking for a combo opportunity?

The beautiful thing about Lucas is that all of his combos past the simple 3 hit BnB combos are all custom combos. Most followups are constrained to certain moves after mid to high %. Knowing the knockback and direction Lucas' attacks send the opponent should tell you how to follow up the move you're currently doing. For instance, Fair sends the opponent either a short direction or medium direction approximately 20-40 degrees above horizontal. I know that the distance sourspot Fair sends opponents about 1/2 character length at 0%, 1 character length between 10-25%, 2 character lengths 25-40% etc. With this in the back of my mind while playing, I know that I can reach that distance with Lucas' fast bursts of speed and follow up my combo with any of his aerials, magnet, PKF, dash attack, Tilts or grab. I also am aware of most %'s at which the enemy gets knocked down by my attacks and the direction they are DI'ing. So if I see them getting too far away from Fair, I will use magnet to have them in the perfect spot to get hit by a better followup than trying to over-extend myself.

Recognizing how much knockback the enemy has is also key. Personally, it's just a feeling I have and I can tell exactly when they're in hitstun or not. For everyone else that doesn't have this ability, play around with debug mode and turn on hitbox / hitstun detection. You can see which of your combos are true combos and how much hitstun the enemy is in. You can also see the massive hitstun Wolf stays in from a grounded pop-up Dair over 100%. It's ridiculous lmao

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

To sum it up, you basically can make combos out of practically anything with Lucas. Practice getting used to using tilts and magnets and observe the direction the fly. That way, when you face someone and are in that situation, you can predict which way they will fly, allowing you to follow up more easily. Of course their are easier moves that lead into combos, but that's really something you need to experiment yourself.

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

Lol, just realized I'm talking a lot more on the lucas boards than wolf boards
Probably because Lucas is awesome

 

[D e l t a]

^ Thank you. Lol I'm kinda wordy x_x I guess that's why I liked writing the Lucas guide so much. I got to say everything about my favorite PM character

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

Lol you definitely got a lot to say, probably could bore Neon with your tech and nerdy facts
Not that that's bad

 

[Squ0ldrive]

The beautiful thing about Lucas is that all of his combos past the simple 3 hit BnB combos are all custom combos. Most followups are constrained to certain moves after mid to high %. Knowing the knockback and direction Lucas' attacks send the opponent should tell you how to follow up the move you're currently doing. For instance, Fair sends the opponent either a short direction or medium direction approximately 20-40 degrees above horizontal. I know that the distance sourspot Fair sends opponents about 1/2 character length at 0%, 1 character length between 10-25%, 2 character lengths 25-40% etc. With this in the back of my mind while playing, I know that I can reach that distance with Lucas' fast bursts of speed and follow up my combo with any of his aerials, magnet, PKF, dash attack, Tilts or grab. I also am aware of most %'s at which the enemy gets knocked down by my attacks and the direction they are DI'ing. So if I see them getting too far away from Fair, I will use magnet to have them in the perfect spot to get hit by a better followup than trying to over-extend myself.

Recognizing how much knockback the enemy has is also key. Personally, it's just a feeling I have and I can tell exactly when they're in hitstun or not. For everyone else that doesn't have this ability, play around with debug mode and turn on hitbox / hitstun detection. You can see which of your combos are true combos and how much hitstun the enemy is in. You can also see the massive hitstun Wolf stays in from a grounded pop-up Dair over 100%. It's ridiculous lmao

Thank you, this really helps honestly.

 

[D e l t a]

Lol you definitely got a lot to say, probably could bore Neon with your tech and nerdy facts
Not that that's bad

real rep, I wished Neon went to Shots Fired. That was a main motivator for me to attend. I would love to have one tourney to attend that he was there just to see his Lucas in person and discuss Lucas stuff. Why is he so cool? lol

 

[D e l t a]

Thank you, this really helps honestly.

I'm constantly recalling and time-stamping my progress and thoughts since a beginner level so I can help others. Glad I could be of assistance

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

real rep, I wished Neon went to Shots Fired. That was a main motivator for me to attend. I would love to have one tourney to attend that he was there just to see his Lucas in person and discuss Lucas stuff. Why is he so cool? lol

Lucas well its hard to get perfect combos but when you do it just gets awesome ( like with wolf XD
Neon, well Neon is like supposedly the only viable Lucas maimed so why wouldn't he b awesome?

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

Thank you, this really helps honestly.

Well I'm glad I helped too XD

 

[D e l t a]

Lucas well its hard to get perfect combos but when you do it just gets awesome ( like with wolf XD
Neon, well Neon is like supposedly the only viable Lucas maimed so why wouldn't he b awesome?

Neon is a super cool guy and does flashy, yet really effective stuff with Lucas while still maintaining great spacing and awareness. Pink Fresh's Lucas is also viable

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

Pink Fresh is good, but not as good as neon and doesn't have his style =D

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

The thing about Lucas now is he's been needed so much Neon cant be awesome anymore

 

[D e l t a]

Neon's still awesome with the character, it's just that nerfs in PM are "oh this character / move is really good? Let's nerf it by slowing it down"

Pink Fresh is good, but not as good as neon and doesn't have his style =D

I bash on PF's Lucas only because I know the potential he has, but doesn't attain the higher levels with the character. He misses a lot of basic stuff and doesn't do everything to the best of the character's ability that I feel PF could do. There's little nuances about his gameplay that just irk me, such as not fully spacing Bairs to get the sweetspot, not doing the most optimal followups- he'll do 4 Dairs in a row rather than use a Uair/Utilt and get a better combo / damage output. The main reasons that PF loses are because his opponents know the Lucas MU, how to properly DI/SDI the characters moves, and not get super gimmicked. And he doesn't really practice outside of tournaments. So that doesn't help much...

He's a high-level player using a character with lots of potential doing mid-level play until his last stock.