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Wario Q&A Thread

ZTD | TECHnology

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I don't want to a character I don't like as a secondary. Wario seems very fun so I figured it might be worth a shot. What are your reasons for saying I'd be disappointed?
 
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Technical_Chase said:
I don't want to a character I don't like as a secondary. Wario seems very fun so I figured it might be worth a shot. What are your reasons for saying I'd be disappointed?
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welp. Lets see. the matchup with D3 for wario is equally frustrating and hopeless as the matchup with Mk for DDD. Wario has to have perfect spacing and god like patience to avoid a chaingrab. every time you get grabbed your taking two down throws maybe more on state Dependant. plus an up smash.


so thats like, 25-30 percent? that drastically changes your morale and among other things your chances of recovering against A good D3 are slim to none, my friend Cory. says bair gimping wario off his bike is too easy. and if you recover far with the bike you might get hit with a waddle.

Now the matchup with MK is crazy. Some times it seems easy, sometimes you get completely shut down. if an MK player knows what hes doing he can shut you down with his awesome Mk priority.



and gimping wario with MK is fun. not a challenge. FUN.

but for falco hes okay, still suffers but is okay.

and he wrecks Diddy in some cases.


and the ice climbers are... meh.
 
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welp. Lets see. the matchup with D3 for wario is equally frustrating and hopeless as the matchup with Mk for DDD. Wario has to have perfect spacing and god like patience to avoid a chaingrab. every time you get grabbed your taking two down throws maybe more on state Dependant. plus an up smash.


so thats like, 25-30 percent? that drastically changes your morale and among other things your chances of recovering against A good D3 are slim to none, my friend Cory. says bair gimping wario off his bike is too easy. and if you recover far with the bike you might get hit with a waddle.

Now the matchup with MK is crazy. Some times it seems easy, sometimes you get completely shut down. if an MK player knows what hes doing he can shut you down with his awesome Mk priority.



and gimping wario with MK is fun. not a challenge. FUN.

but for falco hes okay, still suffers but is okay.

and he wrecks Diddy in some cases.


and the ice climbers are... meh.
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D3 vs MK is like 20:80 Mk favor LMAO wario is like 4:6 vs MK

He is evenISH vs falco (slight falco adv imo)
he has a small adv on diddy imo
and a good wario wrecks ICs
wario can keep ICs separated better than any other character in the game

anyways, don't listen to these guys, imo wario can be a good secondary to almost any character because all his matchups are winnable and he's good on CPs

Good luck with whoever you decide to go with dude =)


EDIT: snap, he meant he mains D3 and needs a secondary, not that hes picking up wario to play VS d3 lmao!
 
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toobusytocare said:
D3 vs MK is like 20:80 Mk favor LMAO wario is like 4:6 vs MK

He is evenISH vs falco (slight falco adv imo)
he has a small adv on diddy imo
and a good wario wrecks ICs
wario can keep ICs separated better than any other character in the game

anyways, don't listen to these guys, imo wario can be a good secondary to almost any character because all his matchups are winnable and he's good on CPs

Good luck with whoever you decide to go with dude =)


EDIT: snap, he meant he mains D3 and needs a secondary, not that hes picking up wario to play VS d3 lmao!
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Thank you :) And from Lain told me D3 should always Wario if played correctly. The main issues as a DDD come from Falco, Metaknight and ICs. Metaknight isnt that bad but at high levels its ********. Olimar is also questionable. Wario just seems like a lot of fun to me so I figured it could possibly be worth a shot.
 
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ddd is awful in a lot of matchups. i dont think falco is one of them. not to say ddd wins, but compared to some of his other hard counters (like mk and ics), falco isn't on that level...
 
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Technical_Chase said:
Thank you :) And from Lain told me D3 should always Wario if played correctly. The main issues as a DDD come from Falco, Metaknight and ICs. Metaknight isnt that bad but at high levels its ********. Olimar is also questionable. Wario just seems like a lot of fun to me so I figured it could possibly be worth a shot.
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D3 vs MK is unwinnable at high levels of play imo

and Wario can beat MK

he also beats oli btw
 
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I second wario tech chase. I can beat most mks with d3 but I cant beat seibrik. At Mlg he beat my ddd 1 stock low% then I Jv 2 stocked him with wario.
Then he went Dedede and we were both 150% last hit and I lost because I biked instead of farted on accident when he was about to fair me high in the air(didnt help that I just used bike too)

Hes a good 2ndary imo
 
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Also I shouldnt say I 2nd wario but im planning too now cuz I realized hes a better 2ndary for ddd than snake.

Someone give me tips on Wario vs pika, I suck at that mu

I was able to beat brik,shaky,mvd,afro,hrnut but esam ***** me.
 
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Man, just be patient you know you are probably running after Pika all day long and you will probably be always on the % disadvantage. Try to punish his jumpy spam **** with Fair/Nair/Uair. Try not to Fsmash too much on higher percent, if you do the Pika player is USmashing you into a ****ing thunder and it will kill you.

Try not to rush too much on your kill moves and always try to fart on him off stage, it's really not that hard and Pika dies at ridiculously low percents.
 
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Pika has a pretty hard time killing wario as long as you dont get thunder ***** offstage. Fsmash is pretty hard for pika to hit with unless you just get mindfawked lol
 
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CO18 said:
Also I shouldnt say I 2nd wario but im planning too now cuz I realized hes a better 2ndary for ddd than snake.

Someone give me tips on Wario vs pika, I suck at that mu

I was able to beat brik,shaky,mvd,afro,hrnut but esam ***** me.
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that character is bad don't play him...you've been warned...:laugh:
 
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Hey CO18, remember when I beat you in that crew battle? :)

By beat I mean took 1 stock while losing none where you actually died from a suicide and your crew was like 10 stocks ahead at the time or something. :p
 
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Im going to have to agree with chair on this one :uhg: but you can also

up tilt when he is above you.

keep away from their up tilts and dairs. if they laser camp don't be dumb and rush in.

spacing..
 
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Negative vibes, I get them. Oh well, your call.

More on the MU: Fox cannot reliably kill you without leaving himself open. Usmash is a great killing move, but it's very predictable and shouldn't be all that effective. Another protip: Bite ALWAYS wins against Fox' usmash, which appears not to be disjointed at all (as opposed to Falco's), hence, you can use it to cover your landing if you expect your opponent to be wanting to catch your landing frames.

Nair > grab at really low percentages doesn't really work, Fox seems to have frame advantage there. Fox players knowledgeable in the matchup will try and grab you in this situation, I've had nair > spotdodge work more often than not, baiting a grab and punishing it.

As Dyno said, don't get aggravated by laser camping. It doesn't warrant rushing in.

Fair is actually a rather safe approach and if you land it at higher percentages, it kinda messes Fox up.

Look for kill opportunities when you get him in the air, his options are limited to shining, airdodging and dairing. The first 2 can be beaten by simply jumping after him and punishing (farting!) what he does on reaction, uair beats dair, he's rather vulnerable when above you.

SDI utilt, quite important a thing.

Shieldcamping is fine, but don't overuse it. When you get stuck in your shield on kill percentages, watch out with what you're doing because by doing so you're making it Fox easier than when you'd be jumping around doing what you should be doing.
 
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Negative vibes indeede. I hate you chair. Every concenent that I read from your posts makes me want to stab you In the face. Every vowel makes me throw up.

^^ THIS guys..actually isnt so bad.
 
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i wonder why more ppl dont use uthrow to uair on falco more often. He can airdodge but then you can just follow his di and follow up. Most try to dair before getting uaired.
 
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bite is good vs fox

if he tries to dair with the normal spacing fox players use then he will just fall into your mouth

its also just good vs fox in general because he has no range
 
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Uthrow should indeed be used way more often at very low percents, fthrowing Falco, Snake or Fox at low percentages will just allow them to DI downwards and get their footing back while there's nothing you can do about it. Uthrow's damage is still respectable, and in those kind of situations it's just way more profitable than fthrow.

Of course at higher percentages, your opponent does not have the luxury to DI downwards, and fthrow tends to be superior.
 
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