Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[#HBC | Gorf]

But yea if it's legit then I'd say to eliminate either a painfully useless slot for us, or a possible second place scummy slot... OoC time: Gosh Kantirip I didn't mean to just call you bad :x. Obv there's always room for improvement. Only thing is that you gotta take the right steps TO improve. Don't hang your head over this. Get time to really absorb what people feel about you play. Almost nobody, if not NOBODY, thinks you're a lost cause. Bad doesn't even BEGIN to describe you compared to others. I'd say just take time to see what others are saying and possibly try to make it work but this should TOTES be handled out of thread... If I'm getting your feel right :/.

Of course I misspelled "gambit"...

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Epic ninja.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

For everyone that wants to lynch me I want to see the reasoning present besides the fake claim. I still think there's stuff A LOT more conclusive for WL and I don't see why Gorf is letting him live. Gorf was the ONE WHO SAID WE SHOULDN'T LET HIS POSTS AFFECT US. Seems scummy for some reason, possible connection.

Maybe cuz, well, he's not really being all that scummy now and is actually giving his slot merit whereas you... well... aren't.

 

[T-block]

No I did realize that was what you were doing. But helping with a gambit can be done by maf, so I decided a read on you would be both more valuable and more conclusive than a dumb gambit on Rajam. So I rolled with that.

The claim did kind of get suspicion off of me yeah, but that's something I'd want as either alignment AS LONG AS IT ACCOMPLISHES SOMETHING ELSE.

i hate you

Of course I misspelled "gambit"...

why are you bringing this up

let me think this over fux

 

[Kantrip]

i hate you

At least you're town and you hate me

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Kantrip it's evident that your case is wrapped around the basis of DEFLECTION. You know who deflects to try and live at least one more Day if they can possibly help it? Not town... Remember Werekill at the end of Utrick'd 2?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

why are you bringing this up

It was SUPPOSED to be, like, a follow up to the whole "ya know something funny?" post last page but then I got caught up with something and ninja's galore and I guess it's not as funny as I thought it'd be lol.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah I do. What case are you referring to, and what's the deflection?

If there's actually a case against me I can defend from I'll try for you.

 

[T-block]

It was SUPPOSED to be, like, a follow up to the whole "ya know something funny?" post last page but then I got caught up with something and ninja's galore and I guess it's not as funny as I thought it'd be lol.

oh okay

that is funny actually

 

[Jim Morrison]

Inclined to vote off Kantrip at this point, but I won't since I'll re-read when I'm sober again.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Fine. -.-

I had so much more planned for this. The role I claimed was and is fake. I am not a terrorist. I can't bomb anyone, we'll have to lynch normally. Commence facepalms from everyone who saw this coming.

WashedLaundry, now that you've gotten this out of me can I get you telling us what your actual role is? I continue to refuse to that you are actually BP, especially that I would just happen to guess that that's the case; it's not.

I'm sure there are questions, and probably people who want to lynch me for this too. Bring on either, I guess.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Why I did it initially: I was in a moment of frustration about how I play this game, that was legitimate. I intended to pull out a suicide dayvig gambit with it and I was using my frustration as leverage to make it look more legitimate. I decided to use the terrorist front for two reasons: One is that it would play hand-in-hand with the frustration and would help to make the whole claim look plausible. The other reason is that it's not just the same old dayvig gambit which no one falls for.

Why I maintained it when T-block knew what I was doing: Other people had pointed out suspicion with how T-block reacted to the claim at first. So we pursued that path a bit further, and T-block said he thought it was a gambit. Knowing he was right I was inclined to just retract it right there, but I was getting a read on T-block by that time and decided to keep up the act longer and see what I could see. Eventually I got the feeling that T-block was actually warming up to my role and I thought I could ride it out and try a "dayvig gambit" with it later. I was planning on pulling this on Rajam to see how he reacted, since:
A. He hadn't read in depth and he wouldn't catch my screw-up where I said I have to PM the command to the mod yet I would be using a bolded command in-thread.
B. He believed my role so I think I would get a genuine reaction.
C. He was one of the top scum targets.
I was waiting for a good time to do this - sometime after a votecount so we'd have time until the next one would be ideal in my eyes - but I also wanted Rajam to be here to be sure his reaction would be genuine.

Another reason was for the drawing of scum power roles out of fear of my strongman suicide bomb. Roleblocks, redirects, NKs, anything I could draw would be excellent.

Also that reminds me that I should claim right now and since I was trying to draw scum roles it's pretty clear I'm a VT. I claim Vanilla Townie.

There was more I wanted to say but I forgot.

I think you should've thought this through more. While the Terrorist claim made sense in that it wasn't as flat-out strange as a dayvig or something of that ilk, making it much more believable, it still is not a protown role and it's not going to draw scum roles--if you were actually town, scum weren't going to touch you. They'd instead try to push you and substantiate it.

I don't know what to make of you after this. Your reasoning for this is actually solid enough, but your play beyond that has been so incredibly bad at times that it makes me question you. Give me some time to think about it and reread some things.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

For everyone that wants to lynch me I want to see the reasoning present besides the fake claim. I still think there's stuff A LOT more conclusive for WL and I don't see why Gorf is letting him live. Gorf was the ONE WHO SAID WE SHOULDN'T LET HIS POSTS AFFECT US. Seems scummy for some reason, possible connection.

So why aren't you doing something about it?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Kantrip it's evident that your case is wrapped around the basis of DEFLECTION. You know who deflects to try and live at least one more Day if they can possibly help it? Not town... Remember Werekill at the end of Utrick'd 2?

Bingo. This is certainly hell to mull over. Every way he went about it is just not that good at all and nothing is suggesting to me that his play is ProTown.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: Other than the gambit, that actually had some decent ProTown intent. Forcing Freeblock into something more substantial than talking about his bloody claim was actually intelligent and taking that off the table was useful.

 

[Kantrip]

EBWOP: Other than the gambit, that actually had some decent ProTown intent. Forcing Freeblock into something more substantial than talking about his bloody claim was actually intelligent and taking that off the table was useful.

Actually you're making me like your slot again because you're being open-minded. I'd expect scum to tunnel for some reason. Still I have to ask, could you claim for real?

 

[T-block]

Kay

Consider my vote on laundry

 

[asianaussie]

>_>

not gonna be here today, but i want to remind everyone of something

kantrip's slot hangs in the balance here, but guys, remember sokr?

i mean, this whole terrorist fake is BS and i get that you're mad but seriously how did you not see this coming, he took every chance he could to remind others that he could blow them up

anyway, WL isn't in the clear just because he replaced in and gave lots of good content, when you read a thread you do it from a town perspective (somebody already mentioned this, i think), so if for whatever reason he was taking notes (i remember reading he was hella bored) or just has a good memory, it's easy enough for him to maintain that.

yeah, i still think he should claim

 

[asianaussie]

Why do you suggest yourself? If you're town you wouldn't want the cop to waste an opportunity to find scum right?

Also why so few people (only two)?

hmm...valid point lol

the feeling i get from people is that im a nullish question mark, so i guess i thought i would be in the cop pool regardless

 

[T-block]

TBlock you're really not helping yourself with the whole "I thought it was a gambit"... I seriously don't believe that EVERYBODY had a general idea of when it became an obviously real claim (hint: immediately or soon after he claimed), and you didn't and decided to continue on with your Rajam thing multiple times (iirc) AFTER your JOKER post.

you are a jerk gorf

wtf is this

 

[T-block]

mm...kay i don't know anymore

unvote

kantrip, did you think i was scummy early game and why

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Sigh. Just sigh. Starting my reread, I can't explain my slot's actions and I don't know how to contend the "Laundry did his **** from before he was influenced by an alignment therefore everything he's doing points to town." Look at me calling Kantrip's gambit then. What do I gain from that as scum?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: By slot, I mean predecessor.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm on page 3. I have yet to see Gorf play anything other than armchair mafia critic despite FreeblockvRed Ruy and anything Kantrip's done in general. There's a lot of **** to go off and instead of doing it he just kinda...sits there and tries to tell people how to play the game. He's told July not to post in walls, told Kantrip off for reads, and beat around the bush on commenting on FreeblockvRed Ruy, even to the point of saying "watching football i'll comment later." It doesn't sit well with me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

WHAT?! Isn't it in the hands of the ACCUSER to explain what he feels is scummy, and then have the ACCUSED explain the lack of? I mean unless you expect her to think she's scummy then I guess I've been playing this game wrong for the past year and a half.

I mean, seriously, this is a perfect place to toss a vote. yet nothing.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Yeeea, after last night I was like :|... TBlock's looking off... And I'm liking where this line of thought is.

Unvote Vote: TBlock

This is the first time--and, hell, I think the only time--that I've seen Gorf take a definitive stance this game.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: Stance, and then push on it, rather than simply floating his thoughts out there and sitting on them like some kind of proverbial egg.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

To elaborate: When I read TBlock's strings of posts last night where I ended it with voting Rajam, he seemed too on his toes, making sure not to slip up. I'll go back a page and justify this right now, but yea.

Whether he's known that mentos is a long time vet here or not, he seems too casual for my tastes in this post, and just seems like he's try'na possibly be more inviting to mentos than what one should be...



This post was the kicker. He starts off by having his too casual tone again with that first line, which bugged me... But then his explanation for his vote on Rajam is just like what the eff... Saying that he's annoyed by Rajam's catch up style of play would've been cool (cuz that's why I'd be cool with his lynch tbh), but he makes it sound a lot more cushioned... And then the last line... like why is that even there?

All of that, along with the fact that he takes a totally different tone with Kantrip who has been called out by multiple people as annoying or in need of toning down, is just too off to ignore.

Also this is completely contradictory. No one can be "too casual" and "on their toes" at the same time. If you're capable of feeling stressed/pinned and relaxed at the same time, you're some kind of a freak.

 

[Asdioh]

T-Block- "So much Scum, what can men do against such reckless hate?"

Asdioh- "Ride out with me, ride out and meet them!"

T-Block- "For death and glory!"

Asdioh- "For Rohan, for your people!

Gheb- "The sun is rising!"

Rockin- "Look for my coming, at second light on the fifth day. At dawn, look to the east!"

T-Block- "Yes! YES! The horn of Helmhammerhand shall sound in the deep, one last time! (pats Asdioh on the soldier). Let this be the hour when we draw swords together! Fell deeds awake, now for wrath, now for ruin, and the red dawn! Forth Eorlingas!"

(Gheb blows the horn with all of his might as our heroes break through the Hornburg's entrance and charge down the ramp when suddenly help arrives!)

(Rockin rides in on Shadowmodfax, and all the Scum look up to the hill in fright!)

Rockin- "T-block stands alone"

Asdioh- "Rockin!"

Rajam- "You're not alone"

T-Block- "Rajam!"

Rajam- "Rohirrim! To the King!"

(2,000 7 Rohirrim horsemen (enough to lynch) pour down the steep hill while Rockin blinds the grotesque Scum warriors with a bright white light from his staff, the same bright white light which represents the beauty of our people and culture and our coming victory against the forces of darkness and the multiracial hordes which seeks to destroy our people down to the last woman and child.)

FoS: Laundry (100% due to Sokr's play)
FoS: RR (for everything aside from the miller claim)

Kirbycide: Kantrip (my claim was real)

Vote: Gorf

 

[Asdioh]

I don't actually have much of a townread on Gheb, his name just starts with G and I don't know who else could have taken Gimli's spot better than he could.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

you are a jerk gorf

wtf is this

If you're gonna play a part, you gotta play it right. I didn't wanna make it KNOWN I knew it was a gambit .

Sigh. Just sigh. Starting my reread, I can't explain my slot's actions and I don't know how to contend the "Laundry did his **** from before he was influenced by an alignment therefore everything he's doing points to town." Look at me calling Kantrip's gambit then. What do I gain from that as scum?

This is actually one of the reasons I'm kinda backing off.

 

[Kantrip]

Screw this. I hate how I play this game.

I'm sorry Gorf. I'm sorry Asdioh. I'm sorry other people.

I am a Terrorist and I'm in this store to blow it up, but I had second thoughts.

I have a one-shot suicide bomb ability, and I want people to tell me who they think I should use it on. I was thinking Rajam.

The game will be better with the two of us gone, I think. Any other suggestions?

This claim wasn't even brought on by pressure on my slot.

I was rereading around when this happened and it wasn't like some sort of "get out of suspicion free" card so I don't know who tried to pull that. I didn't really have people pressuring me except for stupidity, but not for scumminess.

 

[Kantrip]

mm...kay i don't know anymore

unvote

kantrip, did you think i was scummy early game and why

When you first claimed I did, but then you clarified that and I felt okay with you for the most part if I recall correctly. But then you were so focused on your claim and you weren't doing ANYTHING ELSE and it was just so painful.

 

[Kantrip]

This is actually one of the reasons I'm kinda backing off.

What? Because he called a gambit? That has no pro-town intent. As a result, the whole thing had to get called off. Hey, maybe this was a good thing but why are you saying it's one of the reasons you're backing off if YOU thought it was a gambit too and YOU didn't back off? I don't understand, Gorf.

 

[Jim Morrison]

FoS: Laundry (100% due to Sokr's play)
FoS: RR (for everything aside from the miller claim)

Kirbycide: Kantrip (my claim was real)

Vote: Gorf

 

[Rockin]

Day 1​

Rajam (1) - July,

Washedlaundry (4) - Assianaussie , Rajam, Kantrip, Red Ryu

Kantrip (3) - Washedlaundry, Gheb, Gorf

Gorf (1) - Asdioh


Not Voting - Mentosman, T-block, Jim Morrison

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in Jan. 30th

July is currently V/LA till further noticed

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What? Because he called a gambit? That has no pro-town intent. As a result, the whole thing had to get called off. Hey, maybe this was a good thing but why are you saying it's one of the reasons you're backing off if YOU thought it was a gambit too and YOU didn't back off? I don't understand, Gorf.

This is one of the things I REALLY freaking hate about your play. You're veeeeeeery picky and choosey with what you call pro town intent and what you call not so. It's apparent, to me at least, when you do this that you have no clue what pro town intent IS. The fact of the matter is is that when looking through WL town's and kinda knowing that you're being all talk with this gambit, it makes WL town realize that you're not really doing anything with this gambit anymore. The reason I didn't expose it before was because it could have had good things come out of it, and at the time, it did. But you were so caught up in the fact that people believed and were okay with it that you stuck with it even after it was necessary. It would have been EONS more protown for you to have exposed the gambit after conversation shifted from just talking about the miller shiz, or after your frustration simmered. There's zero protown intent in riding that out (notice how I didn't say zero protown intent for doing it), scum. Go die in a hole.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I've read the recent posts on my phone

unvote

WL doesn't deserve my vote right now, but kantrip i can only view this on my phone quote the crumb if you can please.

vote: Asdioh

He is still stanceless unless he posts a readlist and plays follow the leader with town.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

That actually kinda brings up a good point... I don't remember much of Asdioh this game aside from his readslist with the dude from Nintendo on the top of it. But Ruy you should totes move your vote to Kantrip that's moreso something that should probz be discussed on a later Day.