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Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

Asdioh

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He is still stanceless unless he posts a readlist and plays follow the leader with town.
Why are you blatantly lying? I've been giving reads this whole game, now. Some of my scumreads match those of other players, sure, but I'm not afraid to justify townreads when they're unpopular, or scumreads of my own accord (such as you, Gorf)


On second thought, a Gorf lynch toDay probably isn't a good idea, because if we actually go that route, it would force another claim regardless of alignment, and we've already had... I don't even remember how many claims toDay.


I'll only accept a lynch of WL, Kantrip, or RR toDay.

@Everybody: how do you feel about a RR lynch?

Since I'm guessing that lynch is unlikely, I'll have to decide between WL and Kantrip for now. I think WL's slot has been scummier due to Sokr's play, so I'd rather vote him, but...

Washedlaundry (4) - Assianaussie , Rajam, Kantrip, Red Ryu

Kantrip (3) - Washedlaundry, Gheb, Gorf


Oh right, RR's voting for me now, lol.

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Vote: WashedLaundry
 

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I bring up the idea of your lynch after your inactive/lurking facade was gone and I realized you were going to be scummy as hell, and I noticed an INCREDIBLE parallel to your play in Britches and Hose.
 

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wtf is asdioh vs RR. that is like the dumbest argument. you guys should do something more useful since you're both town.

vote: Washed Laundry

this is l-2
 

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Day 1

Rajam (1) - July,

Washedlaundry (5) - Assianaussie , Rajam, Kantrip, Asdioh, T-block

Kantrip (4) - Washedlaundry, Gheb, Gorf, Jim Morrison

Asdioh (1) - Red Ryu

Not Voting - Mentosman,

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in Jan. 30th

July is currently V/LA till further noticed
 

Asdioh

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Laundry, convince me why Kantrip is scum over Sokr's slot then. I'm not seeing it :/
 

#HBC | Laundry

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I still don't trust Kantrip. Despite going back and rereading his play, I dunno how to take what he did. He's newer, and is therefore more likely to make dumb mistakes like this one. Yet, for the life of me, I can't understand why he continued the gambit despite most of the game failing to believe him and already pulling off some success with it. It became less of a gambit meant to move the game forward and more of a stick--he forced Freeblock to retract on his miller claim and put info out there that should not have been put out there, and I think he put out two more additional claims on top of his own because of his hastiness and his bullying. I don't trust that kind of play at all.

He's been overly-defensive. Look at where Gheb mentioned Kantrip being a good lynch target if my slot flipped town and how he immediately reacted to it. His responses were some of the worst: he immediately got hyper-defensive, told Gheb that he was lining up two mislynches, and I think he even put Gheb on his scumlist for it later. That reeks of a guilty conscience getting jumpy at the slightest hint of pressure, usually a good newbscum sign.

I also think he's bull****ting his reasons for his terrorist claim. I think the largest reason why I didn't automatically trust him is this:
Why I did it initially: I was in a moment of frustration about how I play this game, that was legitimate. I intended to pull out a suicide dayvig gambit with it and I was using my frustration as leverage to make it look more legitimate. I decided to use the terrorist front for two reasons: One is that it would play hand-in-hand with the frustration and would help to make the whole claim look plausible. The other reason is that it's not just the same old dayvig gambit which no one falls for.
I can't see how, in a moment of frustration, he'd have the calm and the concentration to think up an entire ****ing gambit and execute it. I think he's bull****ting that, which reeks of scum trying to take advantage of how a situation shook out. If he had it planned from before, I don't know why he waited to execute it until he looked frustrated. Nothing seems legitimate about his actions and it makes me question his motives. Explanations like "newbies have gaps in their logic" just doesn't apply. There's something more sinister about this.

If you've noticed, despite calling Gorf out five times (and getting nary a response from him to any of it), my vote's still on Kantrip. I've read his play, and nothing's really settling any of my worries that I've listed above.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Also you can't just look at what Sokr's done. I realize that I can't just wipe out everything he's done either but Sokr's gone now and I'm manning his slot. I've done things too in my limited time here. It's fair to suspect me for the **** he did but it's not fair to develop tunnel vision and solely focus on everything he's done while ignoring what I've done. We're two halves of a whole slot, and you have to include both of our actions.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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I've read the recent posts on my phone

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WL doesn't deserve my vote right now, but kantrip i can only view this on my phone quote the crumb if you can please.

vote: Asdioh

He is still stanceless unless he posts a readlist and plays follow the leader with town.

:phone:
Asidoh's posted a readslist and no one should play follow the leader if they don't like town's direction.
 

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It became less of a gambit meant to move the game forward and more of a stick--he forced Freeblock to retract on his miller claim and put info out there that should not have been put out there,
Agree with this, though the fact that TB was CC'd means he would have retracted either way.


Kantrip, you claimed VT, but not flavor, right? I'm curious because you evidently thought up a (somewhat feasible) fake flavor for your gambit, yet didn't bother claiming flavor after retracting.

Asidoh's posted a readslist and no one should play follow the leader if they don't like town's direction.
I'm not sure what you're saying in this post?


uhhh I feel like I wanted to say something else about your post on Kantrip, but I forgot. I might look into his posts later, even though I really don't want to :|
 

#HBC | Laundry

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I think what I was trying to say with that was less the fact that he directly forced Freeblock to come off his claim (I had no problems with that) and more the fact that he would've continued to use it on players who did believe him. Usually the general reaction to that is to put your claim out there. I don't like that being around.

It can cleverly come off as getting genuine reactions out of people but you can't overdo it and he tried to.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Wait why are you niggz on Washed? All (or at LEAST most) of the recent shiz he's done points to town. Sokr, like I think Kantrip said, was probz unmotivated, it's becoming more obvious. HE HAD NO REASON TO, FOR ONE, EXPOSE KANTRIP LIKE THAT, cuz if he was scum, he probz wouldn't have any idea if he was legit. Everyone on Washed should go to Kantip...

Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie...
 

#HBC | Gorf

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How am I supposed to respond to anything of what anybody says to me Washed? I mean I think I'm playing this game, it doesn't feel like, to me, that I'm playing armchair critic mafia so there's really nothing I can comment about it O.o.
 

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EBWOP: I was telling Red Ruy he was wrong, you had posted a readslist before, and that there really wasn't anything wrong with you not "following the leader" or whatever bull****. I don't like his vote on you.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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How am I supposed to respond to anything of what anybody says to me Washed? I mean I think I'm playing this game, it doesn't feel like, to me, that I'm playing armchair critic mafia so there's really nothing I can comment about it O.o.
I'll address this later, when I have time to reference posts.
 

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Claimwise, Vanilla and Bulletproof are both about as (un?)trustworthy. BP could be indy or something, or scum making it look like they're still alive because nobody's willing to target a BP. The same could pretty much be said about VT though.

@Kantrip: when you get in here, I want you to tell me your flavor, and why we should lynch WL over you. I also want you to give me two other scumpicks, preferably with reasoning.

I'm kind of curious about WL's flavor as well, but it may be best to leave it unsaid.
 

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WL executing a gambit for me is like second nature and a bad habit. If I were intoxicated or even half asleep I could pull out some sort of random gambit, and being frustrated by how I play is not going to stop me. I'm sure there's at least one other player in this game who can vouch for this, maybe up to three.

You're reaching, now.
 

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There's a reason I wanted to use it on RAJAM, the ONE WHO ALREADY CLAIMED. I even asked MULTIPLE TIMES to make sure he claimed. You can't say "well he could have done _____." That's reaching to the extreme.
 

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I've seen you play all of once and during that one game you didn't pull any gambits at all.



Answer Asidoh's questions.
 

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Flavour isn't conclusive since I'm sure mafia safeclaims exist, but

I'm an average worker and my job is to make sure customers find what they're looking for. Something about needing to keep my eyes open because people like to steal.

Now can we get WL's "flavour"?
 

#HBC | Laundry

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I'm a paranoid worker, worked in a convenience store before and was robbed by gunpoint during one of my shifts, quit that place, went to Walgreens, started wearing a bulletproof vest to ease my mind.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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WL executing a gambit for me is like second nature and a bad habit. If I were intoxicated or even half asleep I could pull out some sort of random gambit, and being frustrated by how I play is not going to stop me. I'm sure there's at least one other player in this game who can vouch for this, maybe up to three.

You're reaching, now.
Wasn't it you that said self meta is scummy?
 

#HBC | Gorf

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And besides, who's to say that you can't think of what you do as town as scum? Oh yea that's why we gotta look at, and you're gonna hate me for this, INTENT!
 

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Actually I agree. What I used isn't really "what I do as town" but more "what I'm CAPABLE of doing as town". And saying what someone CAN do doesn't even bring WIFOM or self-meta into the question really.
 

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WL executing a gambit for me is like second nature and a bad habit. If I were intoxicated or even half asleep I could pull out some sort of random gambit, and being frustrated by how I play is not going to stop me. I'm sure there's at least one other player in this game who can vouch for this, maybe up to three.

You're reaching, now.
When you say **** like this, you're citing your own meta as a defense to my point that I can't see how you could think of a gambit while super frustrated that is that well-fleshed out. Your frustration even seemed fake and off-the-handle--you had minimal pressure at best, there was no reason to drop your claim like that. That doesn't suggest frustration, that suggests excitement to pull off this amazing gambit you just thought up.

Yet you still stuck with the "frustration" remark when justifying it. Why?

It brings up a ton of WIFOM because then the reader has to ask himself "would this player do this action as scum?" Would you pull a gambit like this as scum? Saying that you're only "capable" of it as town doesn't help your case at all--it doesn't confirm anything and doesn't rule out the thought of you being scum.
 

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hold on i need to get the picture

there we go





:/ I don't know what to think of this guy. Off the top of my head, the people that have been most-discussed for potential lynches toDay, in relative order, have been T-block, Rajam, Kantrip, Sokr? I've already said why I don't want to lynch the first two, while Kantrip remains a possibility, and Sokr was scummingly but I have to admit that WL's making the slot look better.

I just said "Sokr was scummingly" and I'm not sure what that means, but you get the picture. I'm not used to using my laptop without an external keyboard and monitor, or a mouse.
 

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It should also be kept in mind that, if necessary, WashedLaundry can be copped, and then we have (presumably) an invincible clear if he comes up innocent. The only problem with that is possible indy paranoia.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Dude. Take into consideration the fact of demotivation. If you reread Sokr's post, you can see the demotivation as his posts continue. And then so much of the shiz that Laundry has done, he's has NO reason to do any of it as scum.
 
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