Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

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Day 1​

Rajam (3) - July, Gorf, T-block

Washedlaundry (5) - Gheb, Jim Morrison, Assianaussie , Rajam, Kantrip

Asdioh (1) - Red Ryu

Kantrip (1) - Washedlaundry


Not Voting - Mentosman, Asdioh,

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in Jan. 30th

 

[Kantrip]

Eh I think BP is still more exciting than VT and I'm pretty sure Sokr would want to play that out. He'd probably soft-claim an important PR right before a Night phase or something. He likes being creative with roles, but VT gives no creative freedom.

Now it's like this:

-Weigh the possibility of me actually guessing WL's role and give him a pass for replacing in
-Look back at Sokr's play and add this on the huge list of reasons why we should have been lynching him from the start

 

[Kantrip]

i can't believe WL went for that. i thought it was hella transparent lol

hereby advocating use of kantrip's ability on WL as our lynch toDay. do it four to five days before the deadline imo.

That would be...

Now....

 

[Kantrip]

If WashedLaundry flips Town Bulletproof I will eat Asdioh's hat.

 

[T-block]

oh i guess it would be

tomorrow

it should happen on the 27th

ARE YOU WILLING, KANTRIP

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Regardless I'm feeling a Laundry's slot death wish... Idk you could've thought about that whole gambit fiasco and weighed in the fact that you may have leaked Sokr's role.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hell you thought he was town, regardless of your idea of his role (cuz you ain't got nothing to back that aside from meta and stuff so :|)... I mean this may be a reach and WIFOM, but what if I speculate you (Kantrip) setting that up so you can safely switch to your partner (Sokr) just based off of that?

 

[Rajam]

Wait, there's something that doesn't fit in this whole Kantrip vs WL regarding the BP crumb/claim/fake crumb/etc... if Sokr crumbed his role at some point, and if WL is now lying (which would mean WL is scum and probably the crumb Sokr did was a fake crumb), wouldn't then WL's scummates told them what was the fake crumb Sokr did?¿?

 

[Kantrip]

They wouldn't know. Sokr wouldn't have mentioned a crumb in the QT and they wouldn't know if it's legit or not since Sokr is a newb they may be worried that he did actually crumb BP without telling them.

That's WIFOM anyways. What's not WIFOM is that WL is lying about his role.

 

[Kantrip]

Hell you thought he was town, regardless of your idea of his role (cuz you ain't got nothing to back that aside from meta and stuff so :|)... I mean this may be a reach and WIFOM, but what if I speculate you (Kantrip) setting that up so you can safely switch to your partner (Sokr) just based off of that?

Wait I'm not sure what you're suggesting.

A Sokr/Kantrip scumteam where I defend Sokr from a lynch all Day and then when he replaces out I bait the replacement and try to lynch them?

 

[Asdioh]

Alright here's the thing: I have no idea what Sokr's role is except I am PRETTY DAMN SURE it's not a PR.

What I know is that we are on semester break right now. Neither of us are busy at all and his replacing out, if it is activity based, is not because he's too busy but because he can't motivate himself to put it above other **** like Skyrim. If I know Sokr at all, I know he likes Power Roles the most. If he's not motivated enough to get on and play when he has the time to do so, it's because of one or two of these factors:

-He got Vanilla Townie and decided he can't play through it
-He is scum and was pressured by a scumbuddy to replace out so that his slot wouldn't be dead
-He was really disappointed with how bad his play has been and decided to just get out of the game

I have a fair chunk of reason to believe that the third factor is true regardless, and I'll bet my life in this game that one of the first two are as well.

That's all I've got, but I do know that the BP thing was a random bait and that it is very unlikely that it is actually WL's role. Unlikely to the point of negligibility.

Those first two are exactly what I said :O

If WashedLaundry flips Town Bulletproof I will eat Asdioh's hat.

And gain a Falcon Punch? :O








My current thoughts:
-WL (if he's town) has a scumread on Kantrip
-Kantrip (if he's whatever) is testing WL

WL thinks Kantrip doesn't have a suicide role, since he has a scumread on him. He's daring him to use it, and plans on lynching him if he fails.

Kantrip's trying to stuff


basically, i'm drunk

 

[Rajam]

Alright here's the thing: I have no idea what Sokr's role is except I am PRETTY DAMN SURE it's not a PR.

What I know is that we are on semester break right now. Neither of us are busy at all and his replacing out, if it is activity based, is not because he's too busy but because he can't motivate himself to put it above other **** like Skyrim. If I know Sokr at all, I know he likes Power Roles the most. If he's not motivated enough to get on and play when he has the time to do so, it's because of one or two of these factors:

-He got Vanilla Townie and decided he can't play through it
-He is scum and was pressured by a scumbuddy to replace out so that his slot wouldn't be dead
-He was really disappointed with how bad his play has been and decided to just get out of the game

I have a fair chunk of reason to believe that the third factor is true regardless, and I'll bet my life in this game that one of the first two are as well.

That's all I've got, but I do know that the BP thing was a random bait and that it is very unlikely that it is actually WL's role. Unlikely to the point of negligibility.

ok if there wasn't actually an in-game crumb, then what are the odds of Kantrip guessing WL's role is a BP???

answer: super low.

Lynch WL

 

[Asdioh]

Wait I'm not sure what you're suggesting.

A Sokr/Kantrip scumteam where I defend Sokr from a lynch all Day and then when he replaces out I bait the replacement and try to lynch them?

Yeah Frog that doesn't make much sense. ಠ_ಠ


Currently more willing to lynch WL than Rajam, as before.
Currently considering WL's stance on Kantrip, since WL's actions don't make much sense assuming {WL scum} + {Kantrip town}
Currently dreading ever reading through Kantrip's posts because I'm sure there are a lot of them, and they will be filled with craziness regardless of alignment.

Currently thinking Gorf is suspicious, still. >:3

 

[Asdioh]

ok if there wasn't actually an in-game crumb, then what are the odds of Kantrip guessing WL's role is a BP???

answer: super low.

Agreed, but:

My current thoughts:
-WL (if he's town) has a scumread on Kantrip
-Kantrip (if he's whatever) is testing WL

WL thinks Kantrip doesn't have a suicide role, since he has a scumread on him. He's daring him to use it, and plans on lynching him if he fails.

What do you think of that perspective, Rajam?

 

[Rajam]

Wait, there's something that doesn't fit in this whole Kantrip vs WL regarding the BP crumb/claim/fake crumb/etc... if Sokr crumbed his role at some point, and if WL is now lying (which would mean WL is scum and probably the crumb Sokr did was a fake crumb), wouldn't then WL's scummates told them what was the fake crumb Sokr did?¿?

answering myself: could be indy too

yeah whatever just lynch him

 

[Rajam]

Agreed, but:

My current thoughts:
-WL (if he's town) has a scumread on Kantrip
-Kantrip (if he's whatever) is testing WL

WL thinks Kantrip doesn't have a suicide role, since he has a scumread on him. He's daring him to use it, and plans on lynching him if he fails.

What do you think of that perspective, Rajam?

@bolded: WL voiced suspicion on Kantrip when Kantrip still had a town read on Sokr's slot, and when Kantrip wasn't willing to bomb him. If Kantrip would've gotten in real danger of being lynched, he would've bombed whoever he believed was scum; probably me.

thing is, if WL is town, then how the hell did Kantrip guessed his role... that's highly unlikely

 

[Asdioh]

What I'm saying is, townKantrip may be trying to bait scumWL into claiming BP, but townWL may be trying to bait scumWL into "bombing" him.

Basically, one of these scenarios may be true and these people are stubborn. Maybe.

 

[T-block]

and in either case, kantrip using his ability on WL is a net benefit for town

so everyone should, in their next post, say they support the idea imo

gogogogogogo

 

[Rajam]

and in either case, kantrip using his ability on WL is a net benefit for town

so everyone should, in their next post, say they support the idea imo

gogogogogogo

I don't. If anything this whole exchange has just strenghtened even more my town read on Kantrip.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

WELL AIN'T IT WEIRD THAT RAJAM CAN BE CURRENT ABOUT THIS BUT IS STILL PROBABLY IN CATCH UP LAND.

Just. Saying.

 

[T-block]

I don't. If anything this whole exchange has just strenghtened even more my town read on Kantrip.

how would you propose use of his ability then?

isn't the best he can do to sacrifice himself for one scum?

if you're so sure that WL is scum, why not, and then we can still use our lynch for the Day?

 

[Asdioh]

WELL AIN'T IT WEIRD THAT RAJAM CAN BE CURRENT ABOUT THIS BUT IS STILL PROBABLY IN CATCH UP LAND.

Just. Saying.

Why are you stuck on this? Rajam's posts have seemed relevant to me for quite a while now. He stopped being utterly useless a while ago.


T-block, do you have a strong scumread on SokrLaundry? If so, having Kantrip bomb him would be ideal, since the Day would continue and we could have another lynch.

 

[Kantrip]

1. Red_Ryu
I haven't seen too much from Red Ryu, but his miller counter claim I don't see any scum motivation behind and I remember liking his thought process while he was doing a string of posts because I could actually see a thought process. RR is leaning town for me.

2. Rajam
He looked scummy before but I personally don't see him being scum with Sokr based on how Sokr joined his wagon out of self-preservation. Actually on second thought Rajam easily could have told Sokr to place a vote on there, and the fact that Rajam was looking for other scumpicks at times makes it possible. That coupled with the WIFOM he's trying to spread now about WL's claim slip and how "wouldn't scumbuddies have informed him". Hmmm, overall he's null and I could see Rajam going either way.

3. Sokr WashedLaundry
Scum. I was banking off meta on Sokr for the longest time but then his replace out and seeing all his stuff from the light others did when I catch WL in this contradiction makes him scum. Honestly I expected the bait to "clear" the slot - I EXPECTED the bait to "clear" the slot. I thought WL was going to say "That isn't my role and Sokr didn't crumb that", and then he would claim Vanilla Townie (which is probably what his safeclaim actually is anyways). He went along with the BP claim because neither him nor his scummates knew if the crumbs were legit and they were obviously worried about that being the case.


4. mentosman8
mentosman hasn't done enough for me to have a lasting impression. Apparently there's promise for activity toMorrow, but I'm coming up null now. Nothing suggests either alignment.


5. Jim Morrison
I remember liking some thought processes and he was one of the first ones to be on Sokr and I'm pretty sure he made a case that didn't have glaring inconsistencies.


6. adisoh
I've seen Asdioh's town gears grinding. I've seen him questioning questionable things and trying to think things through honestly. I'm more than willing to see Red Ryu's case (or I guess have other people see it) but as of now I think Asdioh is town. Leaning because I don't feel like I have anything conclusive in this game.


7. T-block
Some initial stuff he did was bad, but it has gotten a lot better. I liked his piecing together of my role and how the ability should be used, even if he didn't always believe it or he didn't come to a good conclusion at first. In the end, I think he came up with the right conclusion. But yeah, lately I've been seeing Town T-block.



8. Gheb_01
Huh. On one hand, Gheb did make the initial case and push on Sokr, but I can't help feeling like he's been contradicting himself a lot. At the very least he's been confusing himself, saying things like "scum Sokr goes with scum Kantrip" but then changing to "town Sokr goes with scum Kantrip" and then settling on both, and things like that. I want to see Gheb do more not related to the Sokr/Rajam issue or my claim.

9. Gorf
Even now I can't really remember things Gorf has done. Like he caught up and already I forgot what he got out of his catchup. I'm going to place him at null because I won't get an alignment by racking my brain and I'd need to reread for that.

10. AsianAussie
Hasn't been here much, but I like what AA has said. I feel like he hasn't been afraid to go against the grain and for good reasons (not for townie points), and I really have no problems with his play.


11. Kantrip
Good luck town. Sorry for being a burden. I also apologize, this reads list should have been better. If I was actually going to be in this game I'd probably be rereading before even giving it, but I don't think I'd have time for this and I want to give town time to pick a lynch target assuming WL is flipping scum.


12. July
I actually liked what Rajam said about July. She's not been taking too many stances and I've seen her opposing some things just for the sake of it (without good reason) like the Sokr wagon. Heck, I didn't even have good reasoning, but at least mine was a little better.



WashedLaundry, if you're town you should do one of these too. If not feel free not to. Actually you don't really need to either way since you did one really recently but if anything's changed about it it would be nice to know.

 

[Asdioh]

T-block, do you have a strong scumread on SokrLaundry? If so, having Kantrip bomb him would be ideal, since the Day would continue and we could have another lynch.

direct this at Rajam*

 

[Asdioh]

this question, I mean.

I hate being unable to quickedit.

 

[Kantrip]

**** it, that whole post is really weak. Like, really weak. I'll see if I can motivate myself to reread.

 

[Asdioh]

He went along with the BP claim because neither him nor his scummates knew if the crumbs were legit and they were obviously worried about that being the case.

This is dumb. If he has scummates, he definitely told them about his crumbs, if he had any.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah that's probably true. He didn't have any though.

This suggests that WL's scummates (if he's not indy, but I don't see why Sokr would replace out as indy) couldn't come to this conclusion (or he didn't have time to confer with them, also possible).

Eh I don't even know anymore.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I support the notion of Kantrip bombing WL.

unvote

 

[Rajam]

WELL AIN'T IT WEIRD THAT RAJAM CAN BE CURRENT ABOUT THIS BUT IS STILL PROBABLY IN CATCH UP LAND.

Just. Saying.

I'm still in catch up status but at the same time I'm also aware of late events since I've skimmed/read them. Basically I'm switching between addressing issues from my catch up and addressing some recent issues. I wanted to see WL insights and then Kantrip's gambit called my attention.

Gorf answer my previous questions

how would you propose use of his ability then?

isn't the best he can do to sacrifice himself for one scum?

if you're so sure that WL is scum, why not, and then we can still use our lynch for the Day?

Why do we have to use the ability ¿?

Personally I'd just never use it, unless as I've been saying we have something more solid than a strong scumpick D1, for example, a cop guilty, and Kantrip starts to get scummy which won't happen

Why do we have to kill WL via Kantrip? I'd just lynch WL and move on. Also my read on Kantrip town is stronger than WL scum (although at this time with the gambit they're pretty close) so that's another reason of why I don't support Kantrip comitting suicide.

 

[Rajam]

Hey Red Ryu move your vote to WL, your vote is currently on a useless place and also it's friday and it's fun fun fun

Offer a 20% discount on all of Walgreens' tuna cans: Asdioh

 

[Rajam]

we want kantrip to blow himself up. he's not confirmed town until he does

Following this reasoning we must kill everyone because they're not confirmed town until they flip...

Tblock why do you insist on using Kantrip's ability instead of following a normal course? Isn't Kantrip a town read to you? if not explain why

 

[Rajam]

facts about t-block:
-he strongly feels that rajam is scum
-he feels sokr is likely scum
-he does not trust kantrip's claim
-he would be null on kantrip's alignment otherwise, in that he has seen things that suggest town and things that suggest scum
-he feels that kantrip will be a question mark if left alive, unless copped
-he feels that kantrip, if town, is not near the top of his list of town players he would want in lylo
-he thought that kantrip lying would point him to be scum
-he MIGHT be emotionally tainted in that if kantrip is lying, he would take personal satisfaction in seeing kantrip forced to admit to lying about his claim, and if kantrip is telling the truth, he would enjoy the game much more if kantrip were dead

ah nvm, but I still think you're pushing it a little too far in not believing Kantrip's claim when he basically claimed a super-easy-to-check-at-any-time role, which I don't see scum doing. Still my question of why you want to use the ability now Day 1 / Night 1 remains, instead of waiting some more when more solid info regarding night actions/flips is on the table. You seem to want to use the ability now desperately just because

 

[Rajam]

Gheb what do you think of Kantrip not even knowing I have already claimed VT? I think scum would pay a lot more attention to that kind of stuff, and keep track of all claims

Dude like... what the eff is wrong with your brain?

Even if somehow Kantrip is scum and didn't see the claim, he still should have scummates and the probability of all of them missing the claim is.... zero

The only other scenario of scum-Kantrip is Kantrip being indy but if that's the case why did he claim a suicide role then

Just no and no. All this just sums towards Kantrip town

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Holy ****, posts been blowing up and I still have an exam on monday. I won't be read up well until then. Skimread and am OK with Kantrip blowing Laundry sometime soon though.

 

[Rajam]

I think my point when seeing this was that it was really anti town and that I wanted to call it scummy, but that all in all that point was just inherently antitown and I don't understand how somebody can just be so blindly anti town but honestly I kinda forget *shrug*

This is not an explanation. Regardless of it's scummy or anti-town, you're not specifying why me considering scummy Asdioh in the T-block vs RR exchange (when Tblock's miller claim was still up) is/was weird

 

[Rajam]

Forgot I quoted that first post up there from Rajam, but yeah first of all I don't think aa's jump on the Rajam wagon was scummy and second of all Rajam is concerned in this post because he already had several votes and calls out aa because "nonetheless he still casts the vote when he said he didn't read carefully"...that's really hypocritical from someone who placed a vote on T-Block without even knowing the vote count and his response was that he didn't care if it was the hammer or not.

The difference is that I read carefully what I read, and I wasn't retracting in the next post saying "I don't think Tblock is scummy though!"

 

[Rajam]

wow rajam is really coming down on me hard

I would invite someone copping either July or me.

WL should claim soon

Why do you suggest yourself? If you're town you wouldn't want the cop to waste an opportunity to find scum right?

Also why so few people (only two)?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Unvote
Vote: WashedLaundry

THIS IS L-1 NO ONE VOTE!!!

Do we know what happens if Kantrip tries to blow up WL, because if WL lives I'd say the slot is cleared. At worst he could be a BP Indy, I'd be willing to take this chance since I find it unlikely.

This is only if we know WL will live from the shot.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also gonna be only my phone for looking this up online and case still in the works.