Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[July]

What? If my main concern is someone trying to gain points by disconnecting, why is it different if the person being disconnected is me or someone else? Not understanding how you conclude from this that I'm scum... which is your thought process again?

How is someone going to gain town points from disconnecting from you and why are you worried about that? People "disconnecting" or distancing from me isn't something I think about, I don't see why you would worry about such things as town. Basically, it seems like it's coming from a scum mindset to me.

 

[T-block]

just my two cents

i don't think laundry should replace sokr. it's looking like sokr's about to die, and i'm willing to switch my vote back to sokr for this.

plus i want laundry on our side =)

 

[Rockin]

Today was a tiring day for most of the employees. It was also another day's of hard work and good service. The clock was 7:58 PM, which means there was about two hours before one of the evening cashiers had to leave for the day. The said cashier, however, wanted to leave early. There was a specific reason involved though...

".....No." One of the managers said to the employee.

"Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!?" The male cashier begged. "I really need to go home early."

"I am NOT letting you go home just cause you want to see the season finale of 'Glee." The boss sternly said.

"But I have to see what's going on with Rachel Berry."

"I'm sure whatever it is, you can find it on youtube after you're done with your shift."

Then all of a sudden, Washedlaundry walked over to them. "Hey dude, I was done with my girlfriend sooner then I thought. Man, those chickflicks...." He shook his head. "Hey uh...can I start a little early while I'm here?"

The boss was a bit uncertain with this. " "Well uh-"

"See!?" Sokr explained. "You got someone who can cover me. So can I go now, please?"

The boss was irritated, but there was a long sigh. "Fine, go there and watch your 'Gay'"

"It's Glee!" Sokr said before running out the area to get his jacket and other things.

Sokr Has left the game!

"Ugh...what the hell I'm gonna do with that guy...." He then looked at Washedlaundry. "Hey, you don't watch that crap too, do you?"

"Nope, I like Breaking Bad." Washedlaundry quickly said.

"Smart man."

Washedlaundry has entered the game!

There is also an extended deadline to the 30th of January

 

[Kantrip]

Lost at that flavour.

 

[July]

ALSO I'd just like to note that the last thing I addressed is from my large post on Rajam and why I think he's scummy and asking him MULTIPLE questions which he skipped right over to address the point that he did about "disconnecting" and townie points. SO I'm going to repost those questions:

Kantrip, do you base your suspicion on Tblock primarily on the contradiction you say there is?

Regardless of Tblock's gambit, of course he wouldn't confirm or deny if he had abilities besides his miller status. Also, since the gambit was focused on saying he was a miller, the fake flavor would be focused (almost) 100% only on that as well. I don't see a problem in that the fake flavor didn't address potential abilities

I can see why you consider Sokr town if you think T-block is scum, since it should be pretty obvious that Sokr =/= Tblock, but at the same time it would be really weird that neither of them is scum, so I think it's TvS. I think Sokr is scum so that implies I'm thinking now T-block is town

Hence I'm aiming now that you re-evaluate T-block's gambit and see it from the perspective that he only aimed at saying he was miller (when I say "saying he was", I'm referring to that he was just claiming miller status without confirming or denying eventual abilities), because his focus was at avoiding the NKill. Now that he claimed the gambit we all know it implies he has other ability/ies (if he hasn't then the gambit was unjustified and hence is scum), but obviously he wouldn't hint at that during the miller claim (neither confirm nor deny)

Can you explain that bolded paragraph, especially why it would be "really" weird if neither of them is scum?

I've also changed my mind and I don't want Kantrip to use his ability at all - never, unless a detailed number analysis supports it which I doubt so. I don't want Kantrip to use his ability regardless of who is lynched toDay and regardless of flip. If I'm lynched toDay and flip town, wait until the next Day to lynch Sokr or someone else. Using Kantrip's ability this early and with no cop results is deffinitely too hasty. My read on town Kantrip is stronger than my read on scum Sokr, and my read on scum Sokr is already strong but Kantrip town is my strongest read in the game.

Also, FoS at all the people that approved the usage of Kantrip's ability on either me or Sokr just because we're scummy. A cop result, for example, is far better reason to use Kantrip's ability (if we ever want to use it) than on any player with no cop result regardless of how scummy can be. Again, FoS at all the people that derailed from the initial agreements that Kantrip's ability should be used on cop results. My personal thought also is that you can force Kantrip to use his ability if he ever becomes more scummy than townie, and you have several reads of the kind "player A doesn't go with B, A goes with C and D, B goes with C but not with E", etc. Also no one has strongly voiced suspicion on the credibility of Kantrip's ability and I want to know who thinks either Kantrip's ability could be fake or that Kantrip's ability could not correspond to a town ability; I don't understand the support on Kantrip using his ability when no one has voiced any suspicion of the ones mentioned before, or offered a number analysis of why it would be convenient instead of following a normal course

Mega FoS @ Jim Morrison complaining and encouraging everyone to ignore every post I make in his effort to keep me high in the scum side, based on the argument that it's outdated when I've still asked presented several relevant issues regardless of game's advancement. I'm putting this in another color because if I flip I want this to be seen as outstanding and important. I think Jim Morrison is faking/forcing a tunneling mindset on me

Scum is among Skor/Jim Morrison, then asianaussie, then Gorf, in that order imo

Bolded part I have no idea who all that encompasses, I think its quite a lot of people, but how heavily does that weigh into how suspicious someone is for you? As in, if you had a town read on them except they approved the usage of Kantrip's ability on you or Sokr, how does that affect your read on them?

 

[Asdioh]

Sorry Laundry, but we're lynching Sokr toDay, so you'll have to wait a while longer.

I will NOT allow a Rajam lynch toDay.


Think about it. Sokr has been clearly scummy. We want him to claim because he's a lynch option and the deadline is in 2 days
@mod: deadline's 11:59 PM EST on the 28th right?
He's said "he's not interested in the game." This almost always means VT from a town perspective, or scum. If he claims anything other than VT, he's scum fishing for a counteclaim. If he claims VT, we're lynching him anyway, as he could still be scum.


I've already said why I changed my scumread on Rajam. I was going to make this post even before I saw that Sokr requested a replacement, but now that I see that, I wonder how anyone can still prefer the Rajam lynch.


And Kantrip shouldn't use his power toDay, and he should keep quiet about whether he plans to use it toNight or not, and who on.

 

[T-block]

ugh FINE

WL should still claim imo

 

[Asdioh]

ALL OF THE NINJA

ALL OF IT.

LAUNDRY, MY CONSCIENCE WILL MAKE IT HARD TO LYNCH YOU, I HATE WHEN PEOPLE REPLACE INTO SCUMMY SLOTS.

My body wasn't ready.

 

[Kantrip]

WL I saw Sokr's crumbs. You're BP, right?

 

[Rockin]

@mod: deadline's 11:59 PM EST on the 28th right?

Deadline has been extended to Jan. 30th at 11:59PM

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh what's your posture (if you have one) with regards to RR's alignment and him cclaiming miller?

His miller claim is INCREDIBLY not-scummy. I find it ridiculously hard to picture scumRR doing that.

Everything else he's done has left me with a bad taste. If he's scum, then he's intentionally lurking, and he's given a 'scumread' on me in order to have a unique stance, so it doesn't look like he's sheeping.
If he's town, then that coincides perfectly with his claim, and he's simply too busy to play much or something.

Not a lynch target toDay, but I think everybody should consider their reads on RR over the night phase.

 

[Rajam]

Gord while you're addressing my previous questions, could you elaborate on this read?:

10. AsianAussie

Too town.

 

[July]

Despite he says there is plenty of time, he casts a vote against me, and previous to that I had already several votes + other two votes in the previous ~ 10 posts before this one, but nonetheless he still casts the vote when he said he didn't read carefully



After casting the vote, he says this; very non-committal

unvote
vote: asianaussie

By far the scummiest vote against me. July had her reasons, so had Kantrip. These are not reasons to almost lynch me when that wagon formed.

sokr/rajam scumteam looks hella likely to me. how did you arrive at that conclusion?

we want kantrip to blow himself up. he's not confirmed town until he does

I took Sokr's jump on the Rajam wagon to be an attempt at self-preservation, I don't see any intent to switch a wagon anywhere else which I would expect if he were scum with Rajam. And Rajam has just been throwing suspicions everywhere and changing from scum to town to scum reads on people like crazy, so trying to figure out connections if he is scum is going to be difficult. So it's a possibility, but I don't think that Sokr/Rajam scumteam is a sure thing by any means.

 

[July]

Forgot I quoted that first post up there from Rajam, but yeah first of all I don't think aa's jump on the Rajam wagon was scummy and second of all Rajam is concerned in this post because he already had several votes and calls out aa because "nonetheless he still casts the vote when he said he didn't read carefully"...that's really hypocritical from someone who placed a vote on T-Block without even knowing the vote count and his response was that he didn't care if it was the hammer or not.

 

[T-block]

I will NOT allow a Rajam lynch toDay.

BUT WHY ASDIOH WHY

is it just because sokr is scummier?

 

[Asdioh]

Rajam comes off as scummy (or... weird) at times, but he legitimately doesn't seem to care. He's ok with his own lynch. I also see town thought processes, as I've tried to point out.

Sokr comes off as scummy, and tries to brush it off in ways that seem faked. He's provided nothing of his own, and to top it off, disappeared after getting too much pressure (and replaced out)


I would only take a Rajam lynch at this point if ABSOLUTELY necessary, but I'd rather not.

 

[asianaussie]

wow rajam is really coming down on me hard

I would invite someone copping either July or me.

WL should claim soon

 

[Asdioh]

I would invite someone copping either July or me.

How do you feel about adding mentos in there?

What's your read on Gheb?

 

[asianaussie]

I don't like Gheb too much. All I remember from him is a case on Sokr and then a BUNCH of confusing himself and others with contradictory statements and using absolutes like "I really really doubt you're all town". You know what this sets Gheb up for? A TRIPLE MISLYNCH when I haven't seen any substantiation for his stance that one of us has to be scum.

To be quite fair, I think it's perfectly reasonable to say at least one out of you, Sokr and Rajam is scum. It's not something that needs to be substantiated since the cases against Rajam and Sokr are out in the open, and I still don't completely buy into your claim, for that matter.

I didn't like all of Rajam's questions about my role because it seemed like an excuse for hollow activity which I don't appreciate, but now he's been doing a lot of stuff and analyzing quite a few players' posts. Skimming over his July analysis I'm feeling pretty good with where Rajam's head is at. Whether or not I agree I'll have to look again.

I agree. While I stopped reading Rajam's posts a long time ago, I'll probably iso him toMorrow or something, since it seems he's actually doing stuff. I dunno how legitimate that stuff is, taking into account the number of criticisms directed at him from others, but honestly, he's doing heaps better.

 

[mentosman8]

Okies all caught up. I'm holding by that I'm not going to have any major content until D2, so (dance) <--skype emote XD

As for recent occurrences, I hate replacements to scummy slots right before the deadline, especially ones bordering on lynches so I'm kinda :C Wanna hear what Laundry has to say before making any final decisions.

Other than that, some reads are coming together a bit more, but not going to get all in depth with them right now. Or honestly ever since I'm not one for townlists. But definitely more than I've offered so far XD On that note, I am still leaning on the same lynchpool of 3(pending Laundry's contributions even after getting replacement trolled in Lost) and will toss my vote in if necessary to get a lynch on whichever.

OH also Rajam asked if Kantrip defending Sokr was odd, I say it's a nulltell. As town in some old game I'm not remembering which, I did the same thing with Gord having him pegged about 100% town partway through D1 going so far as to be a major cause of a highly unpopular no lynch, and that was as town.

 

[asianaussie]

How do you feel about adding mentos in there?

mm...it would boil down to a question of how active mentos is gonna be from here on in. I'm hardly one to talk, but I think I'll be around more than he will be. Up to the cop, I'm not opposed to it.

What's your read on Gheb?

Null-town.

 

[asianaussie]

well OK that was a stupidly convenient ninja

im fine with adding mentos to the list of cop suspects then

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

no gogdammit we are not lynching me today, i did NOT replace in to get lynched again, this will NOT be a repeat of RE4, and i want my fair gogdamn shake.

CUT ME A ****ING BREAK JEGUS

And Kantrip shouldn't use his power toDay, and he should keep quiet about whether he plans to use it toNight or not, and who on.

Actually, I have a better plan.

vote: Kantrip

Why? Simple. He's scum.

Take his claim. As Mentos pointed out (and that shouldn't be construed as town by the way), if he misfires today, we're potentially in endgame without the presence of an indy. That's without. That's not ProTown numbers.

I just don't like it. It's much more common as a scum role and I don't see its purpose in a town-sided game with just twelve men. It's too dangerous to keep around. His chances of exploding prematurely are too high and it's too much of a detriment to town if he does. I don't want him to nuke anyone ever, but I get the feeling I have no control over that and scum that might be masking themselves effectively could sway him to blow up. I just...I have no trust in his role. It just damns him in my book.

There's more, and quick skims will remind me (gog knows I have that much free time right now) of it, but I just did not like him since early in the game. He's been overly-defensive for no sensible reason and has done little to solidify himself in my mind. Albeit he just cleared one answer--he picked up the BP crumb.

I don't like how jumpy he's been either. He's been really, really quick to get defensive at even the slightest hint of his own lynch (there's frustration and then there's just overaggressive defensiveness). he flipped out and claim with just a hint of a bandwagon and then flipped out again when Gheb suggested that he be the lynch candidate tomorrow should my slot flip town.

For the record, I find Freeblock, Gheb, Asidoh, and Red Ruy grudgingly town, with Guus and some other dude I'm forgetting off the top of my head that's here occasionally oh right AA leaning town. I find Kat and mentos deliciously null. Lynch pool at the moment is obvious.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

OH also Rajam asked if Kantrip defending Sokr was odd, I say it's a nulltell. As town in some old game I'm not remembering which, I did the same thing with Gord having him pegged about 100% town partway through D1 going so far as to be a major cause of a highly unpopular no lynch, and that was as town.

Sounds like UTrick'd2.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

WL I saw Sokr's crumbs. You're BP, right?

why the hell would you say this

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

ftr, I don't know where the BP crumb is. Sokr never specified it to me and Kantrip apparently pick up on it. yes, that is my role.

 

[mentosman8]

XD I will be more active going forward, I'm just outta the game atm so I'm being lazy and prod-dodging till Night. Also, if you think you would be more active wouldn't it make more sense to handle the one who is LESS so first? Who's going to be easier to read, the one who is more or less active? So my key question is, why would you want the cop on someone who you expect to be LESS of a ? to town instead of the bigger one?

Also I don't like people volunteering to be copped. Every time someone does it I begin questioning if they're the godfather going for an easy clear. No me likey.

Finally, nah it wasn't Utrick'd 2, I wasn't in that game XD I could look it up but maybe Gord will remember.

@Kantrip: With the BP claim I want you to ask Rockin the following question: Will using your ability on a bulletproof result in their death, or will they survive?

Plans can be made from their, get the answer to that question asap for us k?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Just to be clear, your point that you think my catch up is fake, is it yours, or something you took from Tblock?

And also, if my points on Sokr aren't clear, they are:

1.- I agree with Tblock's initial impressions of him being noobscum, specially due to how non-comittal the guy has been, not taking any clear stance when he explains himself

2.- I also agree with Gheb's case

3.- I also has added other points, in my #553, and also some other stuff scattered around my posts

I also want to add now that him getting inactive is bothersome. Sokr needs to be lynched toDay

Actually when I first saw TBlock's post I was like ehh, may be a bit of a reach, but looking back and analyzing your play going forward the convenience of how far back you are and how much you can catch up over specific time intervals, coupled with the fact that you HAVE BEEN current with some things recently really drives that point. Oh, and cute little thingy there with the reasons for not liking Sokr. Tell ya what, if you can quote me your FIRST vocal disdain of him after Gheb's case on em I'll let go of that point. But there are definitely more things that make you distasteful, like the fact that there's just so much crap that you've pulled (like the blatant avoiding of a titload of pressure that you've gotten off of the tip of my head) that's just been so whatthefuhh how can a townie function like that that it's simply making me that you can't be one.

 

[Asdioh]

sweet baby jesus laundry

why was Sokr so uninterested in the game if he got an interesting role like bulletproof? >_<

why the hell did kantrip pick up on that claim? I guess it makes sense for him to out it since you were almost certainly going to claim anyway, but ugh.

my mind is full of feels right now.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Didn't read Laundry's big post yet, or much of anything this page, but DON'T JUST TAKE THE WHOLE SOKR /OUTING THING AS A FREE PASS.

 

[Asdioh]

I find Kat and mentos deliciously null.

Kat isn't in the game

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I remember Gorf or someone completely trying to clear Kantrip in UTrick'd2.

/sigh
You guys really aren't going to make this easy are you.

let's flesh my reads out more:

I like Asidoh. Asidoh's one of my strongest town reads here. Sure, he has his usual Asidoh moments of derp where he'll say something that's far off the mark or not beneficial but he grilled into Gorf and I think either AA/Mentos/July/someone worth grilling into that hadn't been a topic of discussion at the right time.

I also like Gheb, as he's smart, making well-adjusted points, and attacking the right people. He's not being the Gheb from Lost and being a general buttface reaching for bad points. he's leading town like he should and pushing in the directions he should.

Red Ruy and Freeblock are cleared for claim shenanigans.

I totally expected the whole "HE REPLACED OUT SLOT'S STILL SCUMMY" thing.

**** I MEANT JULY GOGDAMMIT GUYS

@Asidoh: idfk why he wasn't interested, I never figured that out.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Guus just has a good town feel. He's one of those supporter-type players who will rarely push in their own direction but will follow the right bandwagons. I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped scum but I'm not feeling it. His play doesn't really read too scummy to me. It doesn't really read wholly town either but that's his prerogative, not mine.

AA has made good points whenever he's been here. **** leaning town, he's pretty town to me imo, moreso than Red Ruy is right now.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

mentos hasn't been here. He's still barely here and despite being here, all he's saying is stuff that can be read as "null", "null", and "null." Nothing he's saying gives an alignment and his contributions are very little. I wouldn't mind his lynch but I think I'd prefer him to get copped first.

July has been here but for the same reasons, I don't remember her doing a whole lot of anything. She's asked questions, she's pushed places, but it's like "eh." I think she might be suffering from Mentos' effect--she posts in a way that it's hard to get a sense of tone or alignment from her. Very, very scripted. This isn't to say I think she's scum, just that I can't really read her right now.

 

[Asdioh]

Guus just has a good town feel. He's one of those supporter-type players who will rarely push in their own direction but will follow the right bandwagons. I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped scum but I'm not feeling it. His play doesn't really read too scummy to me. It doesn't really read wholly town either but that's his prerogative, not mine.

There we go. That pretty much explains my read on Guus in better words.

Currently looking for Sokr's BP crumb. I want to find it before Kantrip points it out >=O

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gord while you're addressing my previous questions, could you elaborate on this read?:

Nah ***** nah. You obviously read my catchup, you can see where I called AA town. I'm not going to divulge as to why I think so cuz I don't care enough to look back and find out but if he posts so blatantly obvtown again (hint: he will), I'll tell ya in flashing lights.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Mentos/WL I actually think it was Maf Road Trip, ironically hosted by none other than Rockin. D1 I was being the awesome obvtown I am and scumCello was like "yo you gay" and then you were like "yo he ain't gay he obvtown I don't wanna lynch obvtown" and then boom no lynch.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I don't like Gorf. As Asidoh excellently pointed out, when he was here before his break, he did a whole lotta nothing trying to be played up as a whole lotta something. What really made me dislike him was early in the game, when Freeblock and Kantrip were going at it, Gorf was just...here. Not even trying to quell the debate--that was going nowhere fast and someone should've jumped in and rerailed the conversation--just there, making snide comments and staying out of it like a good scummer would.

I don't remember the exact post count, I'll find it later when pulling out specifics in the way of notes (YAY REREADSSKIMS).

Rajam just needs to die. He'll often be stranded in catch-up land and rarely anything he does will be of use. This isn't to say that I find him wholly scummy, just that I certainly wouldn't mind his lynch. I haven't paid too much attention to the recent couple of pages, ****'s had me down.

And then Kantrip, but I've already elaborated some on that.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: At least, I think it was KantripvFreeblock, might've been someone else.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

XD I will be more active going forward, I'm just outta the game atm so I'm being lazy and prod-dodging till Night. Also, if you think you would be more active wouldn't it make more sense to handle the one who is LESS so first? Who's going to be easier to read, the one who is more or less active? So my key question is, why would you want the cop on someone who you expect to be LESS of a ? to town instead of the bigger one?

You're the least active player outside AA, who reads pretty solidly town. What you've posted has barely had any indictment of your alignment.