Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb what do you think of Kantrip not even knowing I have already claimed VT? I think scum would pay a lot more attention to that kind of stuff, and keep track of all claims

I think scum is a bit more inclined to skim over stuff although I think a lot of people missed it tbh.

why not if town

I don't see a Sokr - Rajam scumteam atm

 

[T-block]

I don't see a Sokr - Rajam scumteam atm

how does that lead to you wanting to blow up rajam if sokr flips scum

 

[T-block]

facts about t-block:
-he strongly feels that rajam is scum
-he feels sokr is likely scum
-he does not trust kantrip's claim
-he would be null on kantrip's alignment otherwise, in that he has seen things that suggest town and things that suggest scum
-he feels that kantrip will be a question mark if left alive, unless copped
-he feels that kantrip, if town, is not near the top of his list of town players he would want in lylo
-he thought that kantrip lying would point him to be scum
-he MIGHT be emotionally tainted in that if kantrip is lying, he would take personal satisfaction in seeing kantrip forced to admit to lying about his claim, and if kantrip is telling the truth, he would enjoy the game much more if kantrip were dead

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I said I don't think they're scum together. Thus, I don't want Rajam dead if Sokr already flips scum.

1+1=2

 

[T-block]

reconsidering my stance because of that last point, as well as the "what if he were town and lying about his claim" that i've started thinking about.

 

[T-block]

-dead- @ people expecting "fresh, new" content from Rajam.

And I guess I wouldn't mind Kantrip blowing up Rajam ... but only if Sokr flips scum.

I said I don't think they're scum together. Thus, I don't want Rajam dead if Sokr already flips scum.

1+1=2

1+1 = -87 apparently

 

[~ Gheb ~]

OK, I have successfully confused myself now 0_0

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What I actually think [since I'm not sure what I was thinking exactly]:

Kantrip shouldn't blow up Rajam if Sokr flips scum because I find Rajam - Sokr unlikely
Kantrip should blow up Rajam if Sokr flips town because I find KantripScum + SokrTown likely

But atm I'm still operating under the idea that Sokr will flip scum... in which case I could still see KantripScum

 

[T-block]

okay cool

i actually take the opposite stance

if sokr flips town, not sure i'm convinced by the argument that sokr town implies kantrip scum. i can see where the point is coming from, but i don't think i'm willing to risk being down 4 townies by start of D2, even with how strongly i feel rajam is scum. i think the better course of action then would be, if kantrip still remains a question mark by the end of D2, tell him to use it on our lynch target as our lynch. that serves the purpose of functioning as our lynch while being given a second one if we do hit scum, plus eliminating the kantrip issue

if sokr flips scum, kantrip goes boom on rajam. why is rajam-sokr unlikely? watch how sokr flipped from rajam being null (or scummy with potential townie intentions lol) to doubting rajam would flip town in 489. read my 522 - why is he supposedly looking so deeply into potential town intent for rajam, but not for me? read his response in 531. what makes you think the scumteam is unlikely?

even so, if sokr flips scum, while i wouldn't mind kantrip exploding, it might be better still to use him as our lynch D2, so i'm going to officially advocate that as our best course of action regardless of sokr flip.

whether he uses it toNight or toMorrow as our lynch, the positive of eliminating doubts about his slot is there. during the Day he can't claim RB'd and such. and using it toMorrow as our lynch is a little bit less risky, in case he actually is telling the truth.

and with that said, i think i'm going back to wanting to lynch rajam over sokr toDay. i'll place my vote after a votecount.

 

[Rajam]

What's the difference between a July scumtell and a July towntell? Can you show an example of one, or both? After all the games I've played with her, I still don't know. The only thing I remember is that people say she's "honest" when she's town, which is hard for me to determine.

I was referring to towntells and scumtells in general, not applied to July's meta which I'm not really familiar. Anyways, I went and did a reread on July:

I don't think this adds up with the information he's given us about his claim earlier - it looks like an attempt to satisfy the idea that a short role name is more likely used by the mod than a long one [a discussion I know T-Block has lurked out because I saw him visit the thread without posting]. In post #30 he gives us the hint that there's more to his role than just his miller status but the flavor, his role name and his role description don't match with these claims. Not all information needed has been included yet in my book. Why claim to be "a worker whose criminal background check would have disqualified me from employment, but was given a chance anyways" when you could simply claim what you actually are? Claiming to be an "ex-criminal worker" would've given us the same information but sounds like an actual role name - you wouldn't bother to clarify this before you were called out on it, eh? ... incidentally, illegal immigrant as miller makes perfect sense whereas "ex-criminal XY" sounds like something anybody can safely tailor as a fake-claim in like ... any game ever.

These are actually really good points, especially the fact that when T-Block presented his role name it was short and concise, in the same style as RR's. I also feel like post #143 and response to Gheb is much less composed and lacks the confidence and straightforwardness of his earlier post. I can see potential for scum intent in claiming early, but I'm still very skeptical that if he's scum his immediate reaction would be to draw attention to himself, and his initial reaction to the counterclaim still seems genuine to me, whereas RR's seemed to force him and T-Block into conflict immediately.

This quote reminds me of Sokr, not taking any stance really. She starts the post by agreeing with "really good points" of Gheb, to finish her post in a skeptical posture, so the purpose of quoting Gheb in the first place ends void. This quote gives me scummy vibes.

i wouldn't call it path of most resistance at all. if there hadn't been a CC, it would have worked quite nicely imo. the claim would have come, some discussion would have happened, then we would have moved on and i would be able to play a townie game without worrying about balancing acting scummy.

There were definite risks from the get-go and scenarios existed, including the one that happened, that you would get no reward. You didn't accomplish your original goal and it caused a lot of issues for RR and could have been even more problematic: if you weren't under any heat and RR took all the pressure instead and really is the miller, would you have ever revoked your miller claim, or just let him go down? That's a hypothetical question but once again it raises questions about your intentions and whether self-preservation was the only thing on your mind or whether you would have revoked your claim whenever it was best for town, even if it compromised the goal of your gambit.

This is a reach. RR barely got any pressure for counterclaiming.

The whole quote seems reach-ish imo; gives me scummy vibes too

i came off with a good impression of aa when he was asking questions in the posts around the evening of the 17th. i saw independent thought, and felt he was really trying to figure things out for himself.

jim was over mentos mostly because of activity. there's no reason to give mentos town points for his numbers analysis - it's trivial for anyone, even scum, to churn that out and post it. looking back, mentos should really be null instead of leaning town. jim's been a bit sheepish, but nothing alarming. admittedly, past history suggests i'm terrible at reading him, but i'm fine with leaving him leaning town for now.

counter question: do you agree with my ordering of these three? i get the impression that you think it's odd that i think aa is the towniest? if so, who of the three do you think is towniest, and why?

At the time that I asked the question, no I didn't agree with that order. I didn't think that aa had really gotten involved in the game at that point, although reading back through his posts on the 17th I think that there were some good questions. Still, at the time I probably would have placed him after Jim Morrison and before mentos, mentos being last for the same reasons you stated of inactivity, and Jim Morrison being first because I thought he took a strong stance on the miller issue and was pressing for it to stay relevant and to settle it, which was good because its not something we would want to keep worrying about and speculating about continuing into toMorrow.
SO at that time it would have been Jim Morrison>aa>mentos.

At the time you answered the question, aa would have been the most townie for his recent posts where he's been asking a lot of questions and I actually liked that he didn't vote for Sokr at the time he voiced his suspicions because now he's taken time to ask Sokr questions and not just sheep Gheb's reasons. On the other hand, at that time Jim Morrison moved down to least townie for me because like I said earlier, I didn't like his being so easily "convinced" by Gheb to vote Sokr. mentos was in the middle then, but with aa leaning town, mentos null, and Jim Morrison leaning scum.

NOW...it is back to Jim Morrison>aa>mentos. Jim Morrison for his case on Sokr which explains his vote and takes away my concerns he was sheeping Gheb, aa staying the same at a town lean, and mentos still not swinging either way because he's provided reads, but not much reasoning.

This quote gives me town vibes, since I think she is being clear and honest with their stances on these players

---

Overall my previous impression of July being null-leaning-town has changed now to null-leaning-scum. I think the towny impressions I got before were due to July being contingent and posting "correct" stuff, but now after a reread I think July has evaded risking her throat and be a more prominent voice in scumhunting by taking more firm stances; her pressure game is lackluster, and I also consider her reasons for being on T-block first mainly because of the not-really-being-miller gambit, and then on me mainly because she didn't like my clear on Asdioh and mentos (which can only be troublesome if I flip scum, so by now it's null because she isn't seeing the counterpart of me having town intent), are weak reasons.

 

[Rajam]

Actually July is leaning a little worse to me; slightly scum (not as null as "null"

)

 

[Rajam]

Seriously Gheb, T-block... why is it convenient that Kantrip blows up himself and me/Sokr toNight instead of waiting and using it on a cop guilty (whoever it be)?

 

[T-block]

because we are not guaranteed to have a cop guilty

 

[Rajam]

I wish I knew what RR was doing. He's the only one I can recall who's listed me as a scumpick, and he even just requested that Kantrip bomb me, without giving any sort of argument.

He's making me uncomfortable. At least I now know where he stands on Rajam/Sokr.

Asdioh what's your posture (if you have one) with regards to RR's alignment and him cclaiming miller?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think it's really, really unlikely that all 3 of you are town at this point.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Which 3, Gheb?

 

[Kantrip]

Agree, actually.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sokr, Kantrip, Rajam

 

[Rajam]

Hey Rockin/Rajam, is Kantrip's claim still legit at this point or is he still a legit terrorist?

Legit and town

 

[Rajam]

Just re-read all the initial issue of the two millers. Ignoring T-block and RR, the most scummy player in that interchange is deffinitely Asdioh, who didn't bring any original question... he was just asking easy-to-ask stuff which doesn't lead anywhere really

FoS: Asdioh

What the hell... contradiction.jpg.

How the HELL do you read Rajam... I feel like Ryker's opinion of em at the end of F&L is beautifully applied here, like, he's just SOOOOOO ANTI TOWN. Like there are some things that I wanna call em scummy for but it just seems like "Wow there's no way he'd let himself get away with that as scum." Yes, if the lynch is leaning toward Rajam I'm all for it... But damn yo @Gheb can you gimme a read on Mr. Rajam just so I can bounce off and keep that read?

What the... explain how/why that's scummy

 

[Kantrip]

Actually wait no I don't agree I posted that from my phone this morning and totally thought you said "I think it's really likely that all 3 of you are town". Definitely should have woken up before I posted.

I still haven't seen anything pointing me towards thinking Rajam has been faking his catch-up. He said himself that he skims everything that goes on but then his in-depth reading of everything is what lags behind. That's why he's been relevant on current events while still being in a constant state of "catch-up".

I like T-block's recent thought processes and conclusions about player alignments and my role better than his earlier gameplay. Let's hope it keeps up!

I don't like Gheb too much. All I remember from him is a case on Sokr and then a BUNCH of confusing himself and others with contradictory statements and using absolutes like "I really really doubt you're all town". You know what this sets Gheb up for? A TRIPLE MISLYNCH when I haven't seen any substantiation for his stance that one of us has to be scum.

I didn't like all of Rajam's questions about my role because it seemed like an excuse for hollow activity which I don't appreciate, but now he's been doing a lot of stuff and analyzing quite a few players' posts. Skimming over his July analysis I'm feeling pretty good with where Rajam's head is at. Whether or not I agree I'll have to look again.

@Jim Morrison: I want your current read on July. What do you think about Rajam's analysis of a few of her posts?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

-dead- @ people expecting "fresh, new" content from Rajam.

-dead- @ you saying that his content flow and play is better than somebody like July, or even AA (and that's kinda pushing it)

Gheb what do you think of Kantrip not even knowing I have already claimed VT? I think scum would pay a lot more attention to that kind of stuff, and keep track of all claims

Dude like... what the eff is wrong with your brain?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What I actually think [since I'm not sure what I was thinking exactly]:

Kantrip shouldn't blow up Rajam if Sokr flips scum because I find Rajam - Sokr unlikely
Kantrip should blow up Rajam if Sokr flips town because I find KantripScum + SokrTown likely

But atm I'm still operating under the idea that Sokr will flip scum... in which case I could still see KantripScum

So then why not have Kantrip blow up Rajam: a person you think may have a good chance of being scum with Sokr blowing up somebody that we A) all know will not be a great asset to town and B) one that many people fear to be scum?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

In that situation obv.

 

[Kantrip]

Rajam was probably just trying to buddy me to avoid a brutal, explosive death Gorf.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What the... explain how/why that's scummy

I think my point when seeing this was that it was really anti town and that I wanted to call it scummy, but that all in all that point was just inherently antitown and I don't understand how somebody can just be so blindly anti town but honestly I kinda forget *shrug*

 

[Rajam]

2. Rajam

Scum for many reasons stated in the above. His reread is so obviously faked, especially since I continued on and he conveniently controlled his speed and started going faster and NOT mentioning anybody who had qualms with his playstyle or that had a vote on em. And the way he approached Sokr was GROSS. I STILL don't think I've seen any reasoning. Scum.

Just to be clear, your point that you think my catch up is fake, is it yours, or something you took from Tblock?

And also, if my points on Sokr aren't clear, they are:

1.- I agree with Tblock's initial impressions of him being noobscum, specially due to how non-comittal the guy has been, not taking any clear stance when he explains himself

2.- I also agree with Gheb's case

3.- I also has added other points, in my #553, and also some other stuff scattered around my posts

I also want to add now that him getting inactive is bothersome. Sokr needs to be lynched toDay

 

[Kantrip]

Rajam if Sokr was suddenly and miraculously mod-confirmed town who would you want to lynch?

 

[Rajam]

Dude like... what the eff is wrong with your brain?

Try again. Elaborate and detail why was that paragraph and the FoS scummy

 

[Rajam]

Rajam if Sokr was suddenly and miraculously mod-confirmed town who would you want to lynch?

mmm hard choice between asianaussie, Gorf and July... I'd probably go with asianaussie, then July, then Gorf

oh and also I'm severely dropping Jim Morrison from my scumpicks after reading pages 15~16. I think him against me was an outburst of paranoia after seeing that I also was catching up in F&L were I was scum. He's now null leaning town.

 

[Kantrip]

Have you elaborated on your aa suspicion yet? I remember your only reason being "his vote on me was bad" and yet somehow he's your top scumpick (besides the easy choice in Sokr)?

 

[Rajam]

Have you elaborated on your aa suspicion yet? I remember your only reason being "his vote on me was bad" and yet somehow he's your top scumpick (besides the easy choice in Sokr)?

no, I have just that horrible case on me + overall low activity and presence. As I said it's a hard choice between him/July/Gorf and I'd prefer to get rid of newer players earlier if it becomes a hard call

 

[Kantrip]

Bad case, but not scummy case?

I think your scumreads are fairly weak at this time. If we lynch one of them and mislynch (this includes Sokr) then I'm suiciding bombing you toNight.

 

[Rajam]

ehrm I meant horrible as scummy, as I presented it in my original case.

 

[Rockin]

Day 1​

Rajam (3) - July, Sokr, Gorf

Sokr (5) - Gheb, Jim Morrison, Assianaussie T-block, Rajam

Asdioh (1) - Red Ryu


Not Voting - Mentosman, Asdioh, Kantrip

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in Jan. 28th

Currently seeking a replacement for Sokr

Mentosman has been prodded

 

[T-block]

mm... might as well lynch sokr then. still gonna

unvote
vote: Rajam

@mod: did sokr request replacement, or is he being force-replaced?

 

[mentosman8]

Rockin you prodded me a couple hours early when I was in the thread to get caught up D :!

Anyway yeah it might be a while before I'm read up, and still waiting for Nighty night to get things together and come out swinging D2, but I'll have something relevant to recent events sometime within the next couple hours c:

 

[Rockin]

mm... might as well lynch sokr then. still gonna

unvote
vote: Rajam

@mod: did sokr request replacement, or is he being force-replaced?

Sokr asked for replacement.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I know I'm not supposed to be here but I'm completely caught up in this game if you need someone and J/Tery can't do it.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: Hell I'll even jump J and Tery if you're willing to have someone get in the game RIGHT. NOW.