Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[Asdioh]

You must've missed my post #629 ... it actually summarizes my thoughts on it. Kantrip lynch is in order if Sokr flips town imo, Guus remains suspicious.

I kinda understand your reasoning, but it seems... odd, to me. If what you're saying is true, then scumKantrip's ideal play would have been to just steamroll his way along the Sokr lynch, and then if it was a ML, say "oh darn I thought he was scum!"
I don't think it really counts as a scumtell on Kantrip's part. I always try to avoid mislynches if I have a very strong feeling that it will be a mislynch, so maybe I can understand where Kantrip's coming from.

 

[T-block]

I agree with the bolded, not only because then we don't blow up Kantrip but also because a Sokr/Rajam scumteam does not seem likely.

sokr/rajam scumteam looks hella likely to me. how did you arrive at that conclusion?

we want kantrip to blow himself up. he's not confirmed town until he does

 

[Asdioh]

I think scum-Asdioh doesn't go with scum-Gorf. I don't think this could be distancing despite Gorf wasn't receiving much pressure by this time. The way Asdioh accuses Gorf at the start of the second paragraph (underlined) is what seals the deal for me, since it's more striking than concealable. Asdioh scum, then this analysis on Gorf would mean to me that Asdioh was trying to put Gorf high among the scum possibilities and increasing the lynch-pool for scum, instead of trying to create distancing.

Cool, but re-think about this with me being town. Do you agree with what I said?

 

[Rajam]

Do you really believe Rajam isn't town? He's been playing in a way completely counterproductive of any role and I don't think this defaults to scummy.

Then why you had your vote on me??

Do you have any scum read?

 

[Rajam]

Gorf
Initial impression before really rereading: he's commenting on stuff passively and friendly. I get a ":3" feeling from his slot this game, yet I can barely remember anything he's done, and if past experience is to be listened to, that's a terrible sign. As of #144, a sheep vote that I don't like. That sheep vote is the hardest stance I've seen from him up to that point. His arguments against T-block later on I disagree with. Farther down page 4, he states he is ok with lynching Rajam.
As of the end of page 6, Gorf still hasn't given much in the way of stances, but he posts this http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13949592&postcount=235 which SCREAMS of not wanting to take any blame upon a Rajam townflip. Overall impression: I'm finishing up this post and realizing that based on this post I'm making, Gorf should be at the top of my scumpicks. It's really weird to say that, if I were to go with gut I would say town, but evidence seems to be contrary. I also remember how I've disagreed with him on stances such as T-block. What is the general consensus of Gorf, anyway? Does he need more pressure (whenever he gets back?)

I think scum-Asdioh doesn't go with scum-Gorf. I don't think this could be distancing despite Gorf wasn't receiving much pressure by this time. The way Asdioh accuses Gorf at the start of the second paragraph (underlined) is what seals the deal for me, since it's more striking than concealable. Asdioh scum, then this analysis on Gorf would mean to me that Asdioh was trying to put Gorf high among the scum possibilities and increasing the lynch-pool for scum, instead of trying to create distancing.

Cool, but re-think about this with me being town. Do you agree with what I said?

Sure, I agree with most of your post, regardless of your alignment. Vote in #144 seems more a pressure vote to me though. Not sure what arguments that Gorf had against T-block do you refer to. I agree with your overall impression and how it seems Gorf was avoiding responsibility upon a town flip of me, although I wouldn't go as far as "top" scumpick, but Gorf is so null-not-particularly-leaning-town atm that that's enough for being high at least, just by discard.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I kinda understand your reasoning, but it seems... odd, to me. If what you're saying is true, then scumKantrip's ideal play would have been to just steamroll his way along the Sokr lynch, and then if it was a ML, say "oh darn I thought he was scum!"

Nah.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Considering the possibility of Kantrip scum more and more. His random buddying / pseudo-clearing of Sokr based on meta is exactly the kind of safe play I could see a scumbag play here. He's latently supporting the lynch but doesn't actually do anything to convince people they're better off switching to Rajam. Scum often randomly buddys up lynch targets to look credible on way or the other but he gives me the vibe that he actually knows Sokr's alignment. He's either playing really stupid or a scumbag pretending to know things.

FoS Kantrip

I can appreciate this post and we should look more into it after a Sokr flip... Which means we should totes Vote Sokr amirite my dudes?

Despite he says there is plenty of time, he casts a vote against me, and previous to that I had already several votes + other two votes in the previous ~ 10 posts before this one, but nonetheless he still casts the vote when he said he didn't read carefully



After casting the vote, he says this; very non-committal

unvote
vote: asianaussie

By far the scummiest vote against me. July had her reasons, so had Kantrip. These are not reasons to almost lynch me when that wagon formed.

Read into this: AA's a newbie, who aside from what you may think is scummy, is playing an extremely good town game. That vote on you, first off, isn't really as scummy as you make it out to be. I find it kinda floundering that you're attacking AA for this when he's been playing such a painfully town game outside of this fact.

 

[Jim Morrison]

That's Sokr at L-2.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Cool, but re-think about this with me being town. Do you agree with what I said?

Cool, but re-think about this with you reading my catch up post(s). Do you agree with what you said?

Sure, I agree with most of your post, regardless of your alignment. Vote in #144 seems more a pressure vote to me though. Not sure what arguments that Gorf had against T-block do you refer to. I agree with your overall impression and how it seems Gorf was avoiding responsibility upon a town flip of me, although I wouldn't go as far as "top" scumpick, but Gorf is so null-not-particularly-leaning-town atm that that's enough for being high at least, just by discard.

Man you are faking your catchup.

Obtw @Doors I already had my vote on Sokr so unless I'm a secret double voter then O.o

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ohshii nvm lemme move that right quick Unvote Vote Rajam

 

[Kantrip]

Considering the possibility of Kantrip scum more and more. His random buddying / pseudo-clearing of Sokr based on meta is exactly the kind of safe play I could see a scumbag play here. He's latently supporting the lynch but doesn't actually do anything to convince people they're better off switching to Rajam. Scum often randomly buddys up lynch targets to look credible on way or the other but he gives me the vibe that he actually knows Sokr's alignment. He's either playing really stupid or a scumbag pretending to know things.

FoS Kantrip

Are you suggesting scum WITH Sokr trying to save him, or scum trying to buy townie points on a Sokr town flip?

It's just that I don't want to convince town of Rajam OVER Sokr because I'm not hardcore set on Rajam either. All I know is that I'm pretty sure Sokr is town. It 100% stems from meta but I'm just not feeling the cases against him because I feel they touch on every scummy thing Sokr does as town. Of course he's playing really badly and, no offense Sokr, he really won't be an asset to town at any point, but my gut just keeps telling me he is town.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Day 1​

Rajam (3) - July, Sokr, Gorf

Sokr (4) - Gheb, Jim Morrison, Assianaussie T-block,

Asdioh (1) - Red Ryu

Jim Morrison (1) - Rajam

Not Voting - Mentosman, Asdioh, Kantrip

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in Jan. 28th

My mistake. It has been fixed

Last votecount you didn't, and I'm just gonna stick with the mods votecount, Sokr is at 5 votes and I'm perfectly okay with this.

 

[Kantrip]

Do not like that Gheb is setting up a double mislynch with "lynch Kantrip if Sokr flips town". This is ridiculous.

I am opposing this lynch. I am positive that I can read Sokr better than ANY OTHER player here just due to personality meta and knowing his play in every game he's played in.

Gorf is that the best example of Rajam's catchup being faked? I'm interested if someone could show me the most obvious instance of Rajam fake catching up.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Well, if we don't lynch him toDay, and you won't bomb him toNight, then he'll be the same question mark he was today, tomorrow.

I do not like this look-out on the future.

 

[Kantrip]

He's a question mark because he's inactive and hardly involved in this game, and it's showing.

@Sokr: If you're not into this game, why don't you replace out?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Well no he'd also be a question mark because I (and others?) have expressed to find him scummy enough to lynch. If we'd leave him to live until Tomorrow, these sentiments would not suddenly have vanished.

 

[Kantrip]

At least he wouldn't be a question mark any longer after he gets replaced. If the replacement is still scummy/a question mark then we can work from there but like there's no point in lynching someone for being a question mark if a replacement can remedy that.

Scumminess is a different story, of course.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gorf is that the best example of Rajam's catchup being faked? I'm interested if someone could show me the most obvious instance of Rajam fake catching up.

No; the convenience surrounding his catch-up state, combined with the fact that he's... pretty actively on top of what's been going on for somebody that should be in catch-up mode.

 

[Jim Morrison]

At least he wouldn't be a question mark any longer after he gets replaced. If the replacement is still scummy/a question mark then we can work from there but like there's no point in lynching someone for being a question mark if a replacement can remedy that.

Scumminess is a different story, of course.

Well, let's just also say I find him scummy, as I hoped to have shown by now. And for that, I'll lynch him, and your meta-read can be awesome, but it won't wave away all the suspicion he cast unto himself.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are you suggesting scum WITH Sokr trying to save him, or scum trying to buy townie points on a Sokr town flip?

The latter.

It's just that I don't want to convince town of Rajam OVER Sokr because I'm not hardcore set on Rajam either. All I know is that I'm pretty sure Sokr is town. It 100% stems from meta but I'm just not feeling the cases against him because I feel they touch on every scummy thing Sokr does as town. Of course he's playing really badly and, no offense Sokr, he really won't be an asset to town at any point, but my gut just keeps telling me he is town.

That's exactly the vague cop-out I'd expect from a scumbag....

Do not like that Gheb is setting up a double mislynch with "lynch Kantrip if Sokr flips town".

lol @ setting up a double mislynch. That's like the fakest bogus reaction you could've come up with. I never even explicitly said "lynch Kantrip if Sokr flips scum". Right now, I'm strongly considering the possibility of lynching you toDay.

You also aren't really quite clear on whom you think is a good lynch anymore - something that became obvious pretty much exactly after I openly considered the option that you could be scum. That's also something I'd expect a scumbad to do.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't think Rajam dying is that urgent anymore atm. I wouldn't mind leaving him around a bit as his catch-up seems to become a bit more successful and by toMorrow he'll probably be read up.

Mentos / AA / Ryu and July have made rather sporadic input so far IIRC and I think the overall content from all of these players doesn't add up to more than Rajam did. Cop should take care of these players because they're likely to stick around for a while.

 

[Kantrip]

So you think Sokr is town then, Gheb?

 

[Rajam]

Sokr should claim imo

and please no replacements yet

even less for one of the lynch candidates -_-

 

[Kantrip]

'I never even explicitly said "lynch Kantrip if Sokr flips scum".'

No, you said "lynch Kantrip if Sokr flips town."

THIS is a double mislynch.

 

[Kantrip]

You must've missed my post #629 ... it actually summarizes my thoughts on it. Kantrip lynch is in order if Sokr flips town imo, Guus remains suspicious.

Right here, in case you try to say you didn't.

 

[T-block]

I don't think Rajam dying is that urgent anymore atm. I wouldn't mind leaving him around a bit as his catch-up seems to become a bit more successful and by toMorrow he'll probably be read up.

Mentos / AA / Ryu and July have made rather sporadic input so far IIRC and I think the overall content from all of these players doesn't add up to more than Rajam did. Cop should take care of these players because they're likely to stick around for a while.

noooo gheb

the catchup is fake and i don't like that

if you actually are considering kantrip lynch, i'm down, except i want it in the form of kantrip using his ability on rajam.

 

[Kantrip]

Totally fine with that. However I request that Rajam claim first, and I guess Sokr should claim too in case Rajam is scum and the Day continues. I think both are pretty much set up to claim now anyways?

 

[asianaussie]

today is australia day so i am occupied

but i promise ill catch up either tonight or tomorrow

kantrip lynch is not a good idea

 

[Asdioh]

Rajam already claimed VT, I think.
Sokr hasn't claimed, but I'm thinking his claim might be a good idea at this point. Deadline is approaching.

Well this sucks, come to think of it. I'd rather lynch Sokr over Rajam, but Kantrip said he's unwilling to use his power on Sokr. Bleh.
Also, Kantrip shouldn't use his role toDay regardless, as I and others have said.
So we should lynch Sokr toDay. Which means he should claim. Yeah.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

GBizzle your 660s cute but what the eff is with your 661... Gimme some fresh, sufficent (not crappy) content Rajam has given this game that wasn't after somebody else posted something similar to what he said... I mean I can't seem to remember any but if you can I'd love to know and if you can't welp it just makes me think a Rajam lynch is even cooler.

Well on the whole Kantrip topic: I say that if we see Kantrip as our lynch candidate we have Kantrip use his ability on either Sokr or Rajam, and since that's really the only thing that's kept (if people are in my position) many from casting suspicion toward em, if it's fake we lynch the scumbag either way. I'd still say Sokr/Rajam over em and just have Kantrip use his ability toNight/toMorrow and if he doesn't oblige then lynch his ahh. Looking back, there's zero reason to have faked that that isn't survivalistic.

 

[Kantrip]

Rajam, did you really claim VT?

 

[T-block]

yes he did

fairly unprovoked too

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I counterclaim VT

 

[Asdioh]

One of them might be lying

Anywho, Sokr disappeared. Get him back in here >=(

 

[~ Gheb ~]

-dead- @ people expecting "fresh, new" content from Rajam.

And I guess I wouldn't mind Kantrip blowing up Rajam ... but only if Sokr flips scum.

 

[Rajam]

Gheb what do you think of Kantrip not even knowing I have already claimed VT? I think scum would pay a lot more attention to that kind of stuff, and keep track of all claims

T-block why do you want Kantrip to use his ability, instead of following a normal course? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to use (if we want him to use) the ability on a cop result?

unvote
vote: Sokr

 

[Jim Morrison]

To be honest, your claim was so soaked in the rest of your useless catch-up posts, it's kinda easy to forget and read over.

 

[Asdioh]

it was easy for me to remember because his claim was in the same post as his gigantic "asdioh and mentos should be cleared town" thingy. ._.

 

[T-block]

-dead- @ people expecting "fresh, new" content from Rajam.

And I guess I wouldn't mind Kantrip blowing up Rajam ... but only if Sokr flips scum.

why not if town

Gheb what do you think of Kantrip not even knowing I have already claimed VT? I think scum would pay a lot more attention to that kind of stuff, and keep track of all claims

T-block why do you want Kantrip to use his ability, instead of following a normal course? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to use (if we want him to use) the ability on a cop result?

unvote
vote: Sokr

nah, because you're scum

besides, you probably won't even die, since kantrip is probably lying.

 

[T-block]

actually let me retract that stance on kantrip's action for a sec

gonna think this through