Trillest
Smash Ace
Thats what she said !
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[WA] Perth Smash Thread
- Thread starter Vlade
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i think youre mistaken. I remember quetz playing peach in an early tournament. I remember i think it was Bryce(somebody confirm this) who played DK and did quite well in one of our early tournaments before he subsequently disappeared
Corpsecreate
Smash Lord
Yes it was Bryce
Bsrk_
Smash Ace
Congrats on repeating Mics post about Bryce_ 
Yeah the Snake was the time i learnt how potent his F-tilt really was_ Pretty sure that's when Snake in general was making a big rise in the charts_ Probably a good thing to learn early in the game_ John had a great Snake if i recall_ His Pit was always something i will never forget though_
Yeah the Snake was the time i learnt how potent his F-tilt really was_ Pretty sure that's when Snake in general was making a big rise in the charts_ Probably a good thing to learn early in the game_ John had a great Snake if i recall_ His Pit was always something i will never forget though_
Trillest
Smash Ace
Did he push buttons and do moves ?
Vlade
Social Outcast
Snake used to be considered the best character in the game but then MK took over
Ftilt actually gets even worse, snake can just hit you with the first hit of the ftilt and see how you react, then punish accordingly i.e. if you get hit then he'll continue, if you shield he'll grab, if you spotdodge he'll punish, if you roll he'll dash attack or ftilt
Ftilt actually gets even worse, snake can just hit you with the first hit of the ftilt and see how you react, then punish accordingly i.e. if you get hit then he'll continue, if you shield he'll grab, if you spotdodge he'll punish, if you roll he'll dash attack or ftilt
Vlade:
1a. Snake's first hit of ftilt on shield is -7 before a second hit can come out. If you're that close to where snake can grab you (and if snake wants to grab you as a result, its more like -25), you can grab him first (well, unless your snake, who has a slower grab).
1b. Fine tune your spacing !_!
1c. Shield dropping after the first hit then reshielding again perfectly "times" for a power shield. People forget about this option a lot.
2. Second hit does outrange the first. But a character with a 2 frame cooldown on their spot dodge (hurr falco) shouldn't be worrying too much if they spot dodge to shield. Second hit on shield is definitely not safe on block.
3. Yeah rolling is bad
1a. Snake's first hit of ftilt on shield is -7 before a second hit can come out. If you're that close to where snake can grab you (and if snake wants to grab you as a result, its more like -25), you can grab him first (well, unless your snake, who has a slower grab).
1b. Fine tune your spacing !_!
1c. Shield dropping after the first hit then reshielding again perfectly "times" for a power shield. People forget about this option a lot.
2. Second hit does outrange the first. But a character with a 2 frame cooldown on their spot dodge (hurr falco) shouldn't be worrying too much if they spot dodge to shield. Second hit on shield is definitely not safe on block.
3. Yeah rolling is bad
Trillest
Smash Ace
4 Don't be ****
Corpsecreate
Smash Lord
I think Option 4 is the best!
swordsaint
Smash Master
falco can shield drop jab snakes ftilt anyway. stop being noob vlade.
Feasibly Snake could hit you with ftilt first scoot.
But he'd have to be like buffering and not "waiting for your reaction" lol.
But he'd have to be like buffering and not "waiting for your reaction" lol.
Vlade
Social Outcast
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=275586
I don't like this idea as an anti-low tier player, but I wouldn't mind trying it out
Perth's thoughts?
I don't like this idea as an anti-low tier player, but I wouldn't mind trying it out
Perth's thoughts?
True Romance
Smash Ace
Me and Pete were talking on msn the other day about how that should be the definitive rule set for competitive brawl
Marteh
Smash Lord
Do eet!
That is all
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
That's an awesome idea, to people want to run this? Maybe over doubles if everyone is scared of new things.
swordsaint
Smash Master
alzi. that's practically impossible, and given the ruleset. a dumb thing to do.
player 1 can't choose a character thats a lower tier than player 2. therefore when the two players choose their starter characters, from then on, the only characters that are allowed are characters that sit between the chosen two in the tier list.
player a chooses falco, player b chooses metaknight. only characters that can be changed to are snake and diddy, or a ditto of falco, or a ditto of mk.
im not perth but I'll give my opinion anyway. I like the rules, they're competitive, but they're not viable for a TRUE tournament. Players are punished for using a higher tier character...its just not cool.
player 1 can't choose a character thats a lower tier than player 2. therefore when the two players choose their starter characters, from then on, the only characters that are allowed are characters that sit between the chosen two in the tier list.
player a chooses falco, player b chooses metaknight. only characters that can be changed to are snake and diddy, or a ditto of falco, or a ditto of mk.
im not perth but I'll give my opinion anyway. I like the rules, they're competitive, but they're not viable for a TRUE tournament. Players are punished for using a higher tier character...its just not cool.
"TRUE tournament" is subjective.
This employs different skill sets and has a tinge of ye ol faithful "tier tournaments" without the forced ughhh.
This employs different skill sets and has a tinge of ye ol faithful "tier tournaments" without the forced ughhh.
swordsaint
Smash Master
thats true shaya, but any standard tournament shouldn't force players to lose a tournament because they're reliant on high tiers. You can't just get really good with one character here, mains are pointless. it forces you to learn several characters from different tiers just so you MIGHT have enough points to win.
i dunno, hard to put to words (for me)
but i mostly disagree with anything that says you need to learn more than one character. a player should be able to pick a main and stick to it without being hindered because its 'better'. >_>
i dunno, hard to put to words (for me)
but i mostly disagree with anything that says you need to learn more than one character. a player should be able to pick a main and stick to it without being hindered because its 'better'. >_>
The ruleset (or what I got out of it) only makes a difference if the skill gap between players is marginal... In which cases, it's probably wiser for each player to stick to a character they know best because if the skill gap is already marginal, risking choosing a non-main would probably yield a worse result than if you just stuck with your main...
I'd love to try it out, but would not forego a Singles tournament event for this variation... Doubles, maybe :D
Try it at a smashfest first please ^^
I'd love to try it out, but would not forego a Singles tournament event for this variation... Doubles, maybe :D
Try it at a smashfest first please ^^
Technodeath
Smash Champion
I approve of this tier wars thing
sounds like fun
Falcon repazent.
sounds like fun
Falcon repazent.
As I said its asking for a different skill set and it isn't doing a traditional "fighter game" style tournament.
Bsrk_
Smash Ace
I'm with Jesse on this_ Id be willing to do this in place of say doubles_ It increases awareness of matchups and tech skill_ Also could intice players to enjoy other characters and also gives a chance to embrace low tiers rather then running the usual low tier tourney_
Technodeath
Smash Champion
That is true.
Other than Snake, the only other characters I play are low tier.
so of course i'd be up for it like i've already stated.
it will at least encourage people to use different characters maybe, allowing people to have a wider experience against a range of characters which would be rather nice.
Other than Snake, the only other characters I play are low tier.
so of course i'd be up for it like i've already stated.
it will at least encourage people to use different characters maybe, allowing people to have a wider experience against a range of characters which would be rather nice.
Yes you are
The problem with this ruleset is that its quite complicated for people who have never been to a tournament before, or are just getting into the scene, or have no true concept of or care for tiers... This makes using this at legitimate tournaments (where we're trying to get new players) a questionable choice, hence why I want to see it tried at a smashfest first, or a tournament with only established members of the scene (in which case, this should be decided on the day depending on attendance)... Obviously I'm more in favour of the first choice :D
Vlade
Social Outcast
I'm still using all Metaknight ^_^
Vlade
Social Outcast
Free 10 points
Trillest
Smash Ace
hahahaha iv only seen you freeze dem little apes time for some bats to be put into cryogenic status !
Technodeath
Smash Champion
haha..
wakes up in the year 3000 going "WHAT THE **** IS THIS ****?"
wakes up in the year 3000 going "WHAT THE **** IS THIS ****?"
Vlade
Social Outcast
In the year 3000 Ganon will have a 99:1 matchup in his favour against Metaknight