VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[DoH]

Playing with m2k today until about 3 on pbjs stream

 

[VA]

good luck all the sexi peach mains at evo. u got dis. make a gurl proud.

while ur all there kicking butt i'll be at home.

p.s mccain: fuzzy says he's guna go falcon on u, fox on everyone else. a lil tip off.

 

[Strong Badam]

mccain didn't even register rofl

 

[WIDL]

I gotta start reading this thread more often.

 

[AozoraX]

It's a pity we won't see the Peach players live anymore.
THANKS NINTENDO

 

[MacD]

mccain didn't even register rofl

i'm not entereing, vanz and doh aren't going...... so unless i'm magically forgetting a peach main, no one will have to watch a peach besides armada!

oh and i just saw what VA said. bring it *****

 

[VA]

wait what? rllllly? no peach mains are going :O lame.

 

[DoH]

 

[Jayk]

Bladewise is going, at least...

 

[DoH]

Bladewise?

 

[Purpletuce]

I heard of Bladewise before I heard of DoH. Shots fired.

Although he is only a state away from me.

 

[DoH]

 

[Xyzz]

Bladewise's good. I wouldn't mention any peach player over him at the moment (except Armada, who's still the best. Obviously)

 

[DoH]

All these children with post 2010 join dates....smh

 

[Purpletuce]

I don't really understand you, DoH. So I'm not sure how to respond to anything you do. When you're saying "You don't know her", are you trying to say Bladewise is bad and you don't recognize he because of it?

Also, are you trying to be condescending and elitist with the post date thing?

I don't want to fully respond to you until I understand what you're trying to say.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I'm willing to bet he's not being serious.

 

[john!]

I don't really understand you, DoH. So I'm not sure how to respond to anything you do. When you're saying "You don't know her", are you trying to say Bladewise is bad and you don't recognize he because of it?

Also, are you trying to be condescending and elitist with the post date thing?

I don't want to fully respond to you until I understand what you're trying to say.

i'm not sure how often you browse the peach boards, but sass levels are dangerously high around these parts. i'm sure you will get used to it after a while.

 

[Xyzz]

Also: I liked how when Prog (or was it Scar and Toph?) was thinking of Peaches on Bladewise's level, he only mentioned Vanz and MacD. Note the distinct lack of DoH

 

[ShroudedOne]

Shots. Fired.

 

[Purpletuce]

Yeah, I think I just don't understand internet people. I need to see people's faces and/or hear inflection to know what people are saying.

 

[dkuo]

internet inflection is hard to detect


also if you guys havent heard on the stream, macd actually did end up entering under JTB who couldn't make flight
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssbm_f59.html

also this might be my first post in the peach boards. hi

 

[WIDL]

I was just wondering. Is slow run (like normal dash, but with the control stick slightly aimed down) utilized for anything in Peach's dash attack game (or in general)? I was playing around and remembered that you could do it, and thought it might be a cool mixup, but it's quite difficult for me to actually test it on humans.

 

[kalamazhu]

If I fair some1's shield and they buffer a roll, but i jab. Does my jab hit?

 

[Prince_Abu]

If I fair some1's shield and they buffer a roll, but i jab. Does my jab hit?

what is buffer

 

[Xyzz]

If I fair some1's shield and they buffer a roll, but i jab. Does my jab hit?

It should. If you're frameperfect, you can fair (or nair) > grab and just make it in time before their roll starts, and jab is five frames faster; so you can waste those on stuff like not hitting the very frame before landing and stuff.

I'd personally really recommend using it that way, too. Aerial > grab is just good if you think they're going to hold shield, it's just too difficult to get it on buffered rolls.

Also:
[collapse="evo result stuff"]so sad neither armada nor wobbles won [/collapse]

 

[Purpletuce]

I was kinda curious/upset about MacD being able to enter as a bye. I had a friend who was a no-show, and was considering going, but a evo mod said the switch would be impossible, and they would have to show up with a license to receive their pass.

 

[Babatunde]

Just recently, i've discovered that i am a very defensive Peach. Pretty much my whole playstyle right now is:
.Space with fairs constantly
.Look for openings with Dash attack
.Utilize ALL of my oos options (Such as nair oos, bair oos, and SH dair oos into Dsmash)
.Read rolls or look for weak bairs into Dsmash
.And turnip to get patient players to react the way i want them too.

I think the main reason im like this is because i dont use nair approach that much, i say it's because of how i don't really have the timing down just yet. Should i be approaching more with Peach or is her defensive game just THAT good?

 

[Xyzz]

Sounds fairly close to what I do haha. Stick out fairs; the opponent's bound to run into it sooner or later :D

Although I do think offensively taking space with quick ground-floated nairs is really good, since it makes you less predictable, and keeps your opponent honest about his defensive. E.g. you won't ever get in on his shield if he never has to throw it up, because you don't move forward. And well, if he has to respect your offense, he can't just set up his however he wants to. (e.g. spacies can't just run around and jump in with late dair > shine > fadeaway aerial and repeat this process over and over again, if they have to worry about you interrupting their sh approach with a quick nair).

 

[Babatunde]

Hmmmmm, Ive actually interrupted approaches with nair before :D Maybe i just gotta keep practicing it to make sure dair NEVER comes out when i want a nair or im screwed......lol

 

[Xyzz]

One of the most important and hardest techskill things with Peach... I wasted hours of my life on that haha :D

 

[Purpletuce]

I think that quick ground-level N-airs are one of the only situations where you can do better with a newer controller. I think having more new springs will cause your joystick reset to neutral more quickly.

 

[Xyzz]

I would recommend anybody, who's still able to, to learn to not let the control stick snap back, but rather keep guiding it somewhat (not moving it back manually, that's too slow, but also never just letting go of the stick entirely). I think letting it snap back is one of the most destructive things you can do a controlstick (and something I do a lot).

 

[Purpletuce]

Is there any basis for that statement? I'm not sure I agree. . .

 

[Babatunde]

I would say just to find your own timing for doing it, then just get better from there.
What i like to do is respect the frames, cause if i don't keep the stick down for the frames it takes to get into the float animation, i end up just FH nairing. So while respecting the frames, i take that time to get my stick back to neutral and do a grounded nair.

 

[MacD]

I was kinda curious/upset about MacD being able to enter as a bye. I had a friend who was a no-show, and was considering going, but a evo mod said the switch would be impossible, and they would have to show up with a license to receive their pass.

i originally said no to him when he told me on tuesday because of the ID thing.

short version, we found out all you needed is your confirmation info, so i showed them his to get his pass/shirt since it was paid for either way and i didn't have a pass. didn't care about entering but did it to make people shut up since it was an open spot, and since we found out others were doing it (also it didn't **** the pool since i think jtb could have got 2nd anyway).

tl;dr alan is amazing and being in the community for 5 years teaches you a few things about how events work and how to work around certain rules

 

[Purpletuce]

Darn. I wish I would have known in advance about that kind of stuff though. In all honesty, it probably was in my better (personal/financial) interest to stay though.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I see people talking about inputs. Snapping back to center vs holding the stick. In general I think it's best to keep your thumb on the stick as much as possible for the purpose of maintaining a consistent level of control in general. That said, releasing the stick makes certain actions easier so I definitely think for shield pivots there's some good merit (and other actions too). But you have to remember that it *is* time when your hand leaves the controller so if you're hit out of it in some manner then it'll be difficult to DI. Now, you're not a space animal so you don't have anything overtly horrible to worry about like frame 8 u-throw release a la Jigglypuff into rest. That said, you do have to be concerned with a few key things so beware because flubbing DI can be incredibly costly for this character (some threats that become disproportionately more risky when your DI input is somewhat compromised include but are not limited to Marth's forward and down throws, Fox's u-throw, both shines, Fox's dair, Fox's uair, Falcon d-throw, the dangerous jabs, Puff's u-tilt, anything you need to tech, and Falco's everything).

 

[Ryobeat]

Peach mains, I need some help. How can I safely approach with Peach? I feel like once I float, I'm already dedicated to a float and its obvious that I will land with an FC aerial. The other mixup I would think of is wavelanding back after the float, but I still feel like I'm missing something. I don't think I should be hit after I come down from an FC aerial. If that's the case, how should I space it, and what other ways can I safely approach?

 

[Purpletuce]

Don't approach.

 

[Ryobeat]

Don't approach.

Welp, in the case that I have to. When fox is lasering, I'm down a stock,etc.