UPDATED 6/23/08 Bowser's Chain Grab + AirGrabbing(New Vid)

[GimR]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=177697

Enjoy!

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Wow...

Don't get excited yet though. Bowser's grab pummel is slower than many other character's. Sufficient testing needs to be done to make absolutely sure that you can't break out of it with a jump release.

 

[Demon_Fox]

Yeah, this really seems awesome. But if it is really that game-breaking everyone will look for a way to get out of it (if it exists) or to avoid it (don't get grabbed).

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Did the other character also DI away from Bowser? This is how Ness and Lucas can get out of the chain grab to some extent.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Brawl is stupid.

 

[Mr. Escalator]

Im pretty sure this does NOT affect all characters.
When it was going around that Ness got infinited by X characters, some testing was done to disprove the characters who could. Bowser was one of the original, but they went and said it was possible to break.

DIing is really big in getting out of this.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=177039
If suspended while grabbed, the jump break is likely.

I havent tested this, so I want to know who can get regrabbed from this.

 

[BlackWaltzX]

At most tournies, this sort of thing is banned..

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Im pretty sure this does NOT affect all characters.
When it was going around that Ness got infinited by X characters, some testing was done to disprove the characters who could. Bowser was one of the original, but they went and said it was possible to break.

DIing is really big in getting out of this.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=177039
If suspended while grabbed, the jump break is likely.

I havent tested this, so I want to know who can get regrabbed from this.

Um...I was the one who tested that, and nobody chose to believe me when I said that Bowser's infinite hold on Lucas and Ness was just as bad as Marth's (and it is) because of the fact that he has hardly any slide time from his running grab.

And in most tourneys, stuff like this is allowed sadly.

 

[joeysmash]

this... is... great!!! now bowser will be more tourny viable then ever!

 

[Mr. Escalator]

Nessbounder, I was referring to the person who tested in response to your list.
He narrowed it down to only being Marth and PT.
He said bowser/DK/etc was escapable. I don't know how, but I believe it has something to do with Ness jump breaking from bowser's grab easily.

 

[old king coal]

wait - so which characters is this possible against?

and did u take into account all possible types of DI?

 

[DiasFlac]

This is great but he did say its hard to do. I don't see many ppl actually trying to learn this just so they can main Bowser. Their still go to Snake since its much easier playing him then trying to learn a tough tech like this but at least this might give Bowser a chance at touneys.

If it really works

Edit: I just tested it on a lv 9 CPU DK and he got out of my grab before I could Standard A him. He was also able to DI away from the standard A after the grab but maybe I'm doing it wrong?

 

[Admiral Pit]

Hey, I was usin a Lv9 DK too.
I also used a Pika and I managed to get in a 4-chain. It really is hard, but with practice, it will be very useful.

 

[JayBee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QA72-MVUSg


Enjoy!

darn it calvin, i laughed when I saw this. even if it doesn't work on everyone, if it works on most like D3, then good work.
really, calvin, you gotta stop helping these people, next time, just tell me, okay?
from now on you have to tell me first.

btw this is College.

 

[Flayl]

A big help the lot of you are. I got as far as the pummel->AA combo in the other thread. I'm pretty sure they can DI out of it though, or maybe the level 9 AI just plain cheats in that aspect.

 

[Ulevo]

Nessbounder, I was referring to the person who tested in response to your list.
He narrowed it down to only being Marth and PT.
He said bowser/DK/etc was escapable. I don't know how, but I believe it has something to do with Ness jump breaking from bowser's grab easily.

That person would be moi. I don't quite recall the reason, but I may have neglected to Dash Grab Ness while testing these, so I might have failed to do it correctly. I can't be sure though, I don't have a Wii near me to test. I should be able to later today though.

 

[Beo]

It's not as good as first poster makes it seem.

Bowsers throws are ****, but grabs are good. Re-grabbing rarely works agaisnt a real person.

Way safer to do the first 2 things in the vid, which I have been doing since Brawl was released :|

 

[Ryazan]

Brawl is stupid.

Thanks for that completely relevant and wonderful contribution to the discussion.

 

[Emblem Lord]

No problem.

 

[DiasFlac]

Tried it on a not so good Zelda player today and the AA didn't even work. He was able to get away from the normal AA combo after the grab release.

 

[popsofctown]

Zelda is the anti-chain grab queen though... Dedede can't chain her, i don't think pikachu or falco can either

 

[DiasFlac]

Zelda is the anti-chain grab queen though... Dedede can't chain her, i don't think pikachu or falco can either

lucky her xD

 

[~^.NoiR.^~]

I'm going to do it to friends who don't know how to di just to piss them off. Thanks for the info =]]

 

[Buuman]

I'm going to do it to friends who don't know how to di just to piss them off. Thanks for the info =]]

That's a great way to get better and increase your knowledge of the game. Play people that suck xD

 

[~^.NoiR.^~]

That's a great way to get better and increase your knowledge of the game. Play people that suck xD

I'm one of the best players in GA man. Doesn't mean I don't like playing for fun either. Come to GA and play my Diddy ;]

 

[Neb]

Finally, Bowser gets some tricks. Queen, lol, nice music pick.

 

[DiasFlac]

Yeah I think DIing is a big part of getting out of it. I've been doing the grab release to standard A all day and after I hit it on ppl a few times they start getting out of it. Some times I'm only able to hit the first part of the standard A but the second part misses or I just miss the whole thing all together.

This has happened on Wolf,Zelda, and Marth

 

[Blistering Speed]

Agreed with EL if this works

 

[Axelguy4realz]

Its really easy to get out of. You can Di in any direction or just rotate the control stick like mad. And it will be avoided.

 

[JhMS]

Queen music for the freaking win!
But seriously,we need to test this a bit more.If this works,I agree with Emblem Lord:Brawl is just dumb.

 

[Turbo Ether]

Most good tournaments are banning standing infinities, but you still have good options post-release so this is still good.

 

[DiasFlac]

I've been playing players who have been jump breaking from grab release with Bowser.