Smash 3DS Update 1.0.4 Released!

[Ceadda]

Did Ike receive any buffs?

 

[Kiyosuki]

Ike got some pretty substantial buffs, I'd check his board out for them.

 

[VivaReverie]

As a small reminder, you can edit your own posts. If no one replies after you, you can edit your last post to add more stuff.

Yeah I gotcha, at points the thread was moving so quickly where I thought I wasn't double-posting when I actually was, which is how that happened.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Yeah I gotcha, at points the thread was moving so quickly where I thought I wasn't double-posting when I actually was, which is how that happened.

Yeah it can happen.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Any Yoshi changes? My other mains were already covered, but I didnt quite understand the Pacman changes. I heard it was a nerf, but I didnt understand it clearly

 

[~Burst~]

Any Yoshi changes? My other mains were already covered, but I didnt quite understand the Pacman changes. I heard it was a nerf, but I didnt understand it clearly

only thing I checked on yoshi was his DAir damage and it was nerfed.
actually it wasnt

 

[MatrixNexus]

Any buffs/nerfs to Lucario.

 

[StarLight42]

No, they shouldn't.

Why the **** not? You sound like a casual elitist here.

 

[KirbyCheatFurbyMeat]

Any news on my main man Pac?

Sorry, I just woke up. I'm curious if there's a list of changes yet.

 

[Reila]

Why the **** not? You sound like a casual elitist here.

I am casual because I don't want stupid and pointless mechanics to be added back to the game? If that is what you think, then sure, mate.

 

[VivaReverie]

Since I have some time and this video is taking forever to upload:

Is it just me or does sonics dsmash feels like it has less cooldown. He seems to stand back up a lot faster.

That's just another case of placebo effect, it's identical.

My only question for who are testing with both versions is if Megaman's D-Tilt has more or less recoverylag

D-Tilt looks same to me.

-Does G&W Oil Panic Bucket have less punishing frames (before charged) *does he pull it back in quicker*
-Did they nerf his recovery

No and no, they both also look identical.

Just out of curiosity can someone with pre patch and post patch check the range on Gren's shurikens depending on charge, swear uncharged has a longer throw distance compared to before But I can't be sure. but yeah Greninja has been hit VERY hard in this patch,

Nope again, definitely same distance in both versions.

[Regarding Villager] Is the grab speed actually buffed?

Nope, same again. Wow, I chose all the wrong ones to test xD

Any changes to Peach? I'm hoping for a quicker turnip pull most of all.

Turnip pull is same.

And finally

Any news on my main man Pac?

Sorry, I just woke up. I'm curious if there's a list of changes yet.

Yes, unfortunately, his hydrant can't fly away from a single bair hit anymore. He's otherwise unchanged (AFAIK).

 

[Moon Monkey]

Glad to see Ike getting some buffs! I'm just waiting for patch 1.0.WiiU
I hear they are buffing the analog stick.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Has anyone checked ACTUAL gameplay rather than training mode to see if rage is still in? I see no reason why they should remove it.

IF it's false I wanna nip it in the bud.

 

[King_Peachee]

Luigis jab, fair and fsmash have gottene damage buffs. Fair used to do 7 now it does 9, fsmash did 19 fully charged and now does 21, and his jab combo does 10% as opposed to 8 as for sonic it feels like his utilt has less cooldown, and uair KOs more consistently off the top above 120, dash attack feels the same though.

Can anyone else confirm this for Luigi?

 

[Last Place]

No and no, they both also look identical.

Okay. Well, at least they didn't nerf his recovery it seems. Thanks for checking.

 

[preternaturalism]

might as well post the same here for those that might not know yet...

"i don't know if this has been mentioned already, but 'ness' no longer gets aerial dodge landing lag from doing a short hop > aerial dodge after the aerial dodge animation has already come to an end. so "dodge canceling" that no longer seems to be a necessity.

edit: i'm not sure if this is because the animation itself has been shortened, but i seem to able to do short hop > aerial dodge > u-tilt (and land the u-tilt). i can't recall if this was possible before, but if my memory serves me right, only n-airs would come out at that point in the past."

 

[PSIguy89]

is there a neat list of all the gameplay changes from this patch anywhere?

 

[VivaReverie]

Can anyone else confirm this for Luigi?

Fair info is false (Always did 9%), Fsmash info is true, Jab info is false (Always did 10%).

 

[KirbyCheatFurbyMeat]

What's the general consensus of Ness? Did he get any buffs or did he get nerfs?

I'm curious on if there's any changes to Mega Man as well.

 

[VivaReverie]

While I'm at it:

as for sonic it feels like his utilt has less cooldown

Nope, just tested now, recovery is identical.

What's the general consensus of Ness? Did he get any buffs or did he get nerfs?

I'm curious on if there's any changes to Mega Man as well.

The main noticeable change Ness has is his dthrow getting nerfed, 9% to 7%.
Megaman has a *Gasp* usable Leaf Shield now (His recovery on shooting it is way less), and although I haven't tested it apparently his uair is better?

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Any changes to Sonic and Fox?
Pit and Pittoo?

 

[vypex]

Didn't feel like going through entire Topic as its pretty long already, so just in case someone has already stated this, Sheik's bouncing fish got nerfed pretty bad, might be due to to sheik's weight being reduced but even at 120 hitting bouncing fish after launcing opponent off the edge i couldn't get the KO landing bouncing fish off the platform, didn't land the KO strike with bouncing fish until 150ish

 

[BKTang']

It is not a very important question, but are we now allowed to use Judgement 9 in HRC mode? I mean, the number is always a 6 for now, and it's kinda annoying.

 

[GreenFlame]

Didn't feel like going through entire Topic as its pretty long already, so just in case someone has already stated this, Sheik's bouncing fish got nerfed pretty bad, might be due to to sheik's weight being reduced but even at 120 hitting bouncing fish after launcing opponent off the edge i couldn't get the KO landing bouncing fish off the platform, didn't land the KO strike with bouncing fish until 150ish

I'll test this when I get the chance unless someone else does first. I really hope they didn't nerf it .

 

[VivaReverie]

Video is uploaded, shows these changes:

Megaman: Super reduced recovery on Leaf Shield.
Ganondorf: Sliightly reduced landing lag on nair.
Pac-Man: Fresh bair no longer sends the hydrant flying.
Falco: Blaster (On ground only) is slightly faster.
ZSS: Neutral B paralyzer has slightly more recovery frames.

And here it is if you wanna take a look.

With that I'm off, seeya guys.

 

[vypex]

I'll test this when I get the chance unless someone else does first. I really hope they didn't nerf it .

Played 5 for glory matches so far seems so as it was one of my main killing techniques, damn shame, seems that down smash got a bit of a upgrade though, can't confirm this one as it was so useless that i hardly used it previously but seems like they upped the priority a tad, again can't confirm this but what it seemed to me

 

[LunarWingCloud]

Was Pikachu changed at all? Honestly wouldn't be mad if they did nothing at all to him in the update.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I really hate the Bowsercide nerf! As if the move wasn't difficult enough to perform, now I die from it? You've got to be joking, Sakurai!!!!

And even though I hate Wario's vectoring glitch (or wectorting), I still thought it had potential.....

Everything else is great, especially Rosalina's Luma nerf.

 

[AlexAnthonyD]

I would like to see the frame numbers in ending lag but Greninjas uSmash doesn't seem any weaker than before.

 

[Terotrous]

Wow, I'm shocked at how substantial this patch is. I just expected bugfixes but this is almost a total rebalancing.

I really hate the Bowsercide nerf! As if the move wasn't difficult enough to perform, now I die from it? You've got to be joking, Sakurai!!!!

It's still advantageous if you're losing in the damage race. Ie, if you have 120% and the opponent has 30%, it's very good to land.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

I really hate the Bowsercide nerf! As if the move wasn't difficult enough to perform, now I die from it? You've got to be joking, Sakurai!!!!

And even though I hate Wario's vectoring glitch (or wectorting), I still thought it had potential.....

Everything else is great, especially Rosalina's Luma nerf.

Bowser needed a nerf. -.-;

 

[xLemmy_KoopaX]

Was Pikachu changed at all? Honestly wouldn't be mad if they did nothing at all to him in the update.

His knockback on his Thunder, Skull Bash and his tip and close-up hitbox of his Fsmash got stronger.

 

[KenMeister]

Soooo....How's Link, Dr. Mario and Lucina looking? I'm hoping that they didn't get nerfed for no reason.
Also, is it true that Shulk got buffs, and Sheik ended up getting a nerf in Bouncing Fish?

 

[Lukingordex]

Nooo my poor frog

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Bowser needed a nerf. -.-;

I understand your opinion, but Bowser is technically on top of the opponent, so it seems really unfair

He's also the only character with a Suicide KO move to be nerfed

 

[LunarWingCloud]

His knockback on his Thunder, Skull Bash and his tip and close-up hitbox of his Fsmash got stronger.

Nice! I'm happy about this! ^.^

 

[Astul]

well link, peach and toon link doesn't have anymore the down b landing lag cancel with the bombs/turnip that's kinda sad :/

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Has Charizard's walk speed increased or am I still thinking of his molasses Brawl version.

 

[Terotrous]

Bah I need to be at home so I can test Yoshi. Stupid work!

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

I haven't seen anyone mention R.O.B, has he been changed in some way?