Smash 3DS Update 1.0.4 Released!

[VivaReverie]

Can someone test Leaf Shield startup times for Megaman?
Edit: His u-air animation now matches the Wii U version, and his pellets are the same range. Nair sweetspot does 4% and jab sweetspot does 3%, can someone test if this was actually changed as well?

Leaf Shield startup is identical, Leaf Shield recovery (After shooting it) is dramatically decreased. Megaman mains rejoice.

Edit: Yeah his pellets are identical in damage, sweetspot or not.

 

[~Burst~]

Looks like that's a placebo, everything is unchanged as far as I can see. His uair lifted him slightly originally too.

Couldn't Pacman's bair knock away hydrant when fresh?

 

[Lamato]

Falco's blaster is much faster now.

 

[NoPLo]

Falco's blaster is much faster now.

It's true! O.o

 

[VivaReverie]

Couldn't Pacman's bair knock away hydrant when fresh?

Uh oh, yeah, hydrant can't be single-bair'd anymore. Pac-Man mains despair. D:

 

[Baskerville]

Falco's blaster is much faster now.

It's true! O.o

@ KuroganeHammer Can you confirm?

 

[Deleted member]

Uh oh, yeah, hydrant can't be single-bair'd anymore. Pac-Man mains despair. D:

We'll make it work.
I hope...

 

[Senko Zero]

To add another change to the Ike list, his jab string seems to be fixed. The kick (second hit) doesn't send as far as it did in 1.03 so the third hit seems much more assured.

Could be wrong as I'm just playing the computer.

If someone could test it would be appreciated.

EDIT: Ike's Dtilt now sends the opponent straight up instead of forward.

 

[Knee Smasher]

Can someone confirm if they nerfed the speed or range of Charizard's jab in any way?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

@ KuroganeHammer Can you confirm?

seems to fire a bit faster but i haven't unlocked falco in my 1.0.3 so put it as a "probably" for now

Can someone confirm if they nerfed the speed or range of Charizard's jab in any way?

chairzard mains have mentioned to me that charizard was basically untouched

 

[VivaReverie]

@ KuroganeHammer Can you confirm?

I'm trying out Falco, blaster in air is identical speed, blaster on ground is a few frames faster. Recovery on even a single shot is noticeably shorter.

We'll make it work.
I hope...

Bair to side tilt is still viable, but nowhere near as fast unfortunately.

 

[Baskerville]

OK, that's good to hear!

 

[KERO]

Sorry for posting this again, but I just want to know if Greninja's standing grab range has increased at all.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

Pikachus thunder no longer insta-fills G&Ws bucket. Has anyone noted any other changes to G&W?

 

[Deleted member]

Bair to side tilt is still viable, but nowhere near as fast unfortunately.

Oh well. At least for the most part Pac seems mostly untouched, but this change just seems kinda unnecessary.

 

[Fangblade]

Diddy Kongs full charged Penaut gun now does 13% instead of 11%.
It also seems like his banana does more damage, and his Utilt has an improved hitbox. Would someone mind checking?
Also his Dtilt does either 5-6% damage, not sure why it's not a set number, or if it's even new.

 

[Reila]

Any Pikachu buffs? Pls

 

[~Burst~]

Oh well. At least for the most part Pac seems mostly untouched, but that change just seems kinda unnecessary.

That change was the first thing I looked for for a reason.
Throwing out hydrant in all defensive situations and making anyone surrender pressure is dumb.
Now you actually have to think when you throw out hydrant.

 

[kamus_aran]

Can someone confirm if they buffed or nerfed or did nothing with my Palutena ?

Thanks in advance

 

[Deadlybroth]

Any Meta Knight buffs? Did his range improve?

 

[VivaReverie]

Trying out stupid things, decided to try Ganondorf as he's pretty universally low tier.

I found a single change... His nair has less landing recovery. Just a couple of frames, and the only change I can find too.
Dorf mains rejoice?

 

[GreenFlame]

I think I can just about confirm Dedede's D-throw has in fact been changed to send opponents more upwards and less forwards. It is easier to notice at higher percents.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

zelda utilt does 1% more damage

 

[VivaReverie]

Sorry for posting this again, but I just want to know if Greninja's standing grab range has increased at all.

Sort of hard to test but I tried my best, I couldn't find any change in range of his standing grab at all.

 

[Funtroon]

Any changes to Puff, especially to her rest?

 

[WwwWario]

Anyone testing Ganindorf? Heard someone mentioned a few frames less Nair landing lag, but anything more?

 

[VivaReverie]

Can someone confirm if they buffed or nerfed or untouched my Palutena ?

Thanks in advance

Looks to me like Palutena was untouched.

Anyone testing Ganindorf? Heard someone mentioned a few frames less Nair landing lag, but anything more?

Trying out stupid things, decided to try Ganondorf as he's pretty universally low tier.

I found a single change... His nair has less landing recovery. Just a couple of frames, and the only change I can find too.
Dorf mains rejoice?

^Yes that's all I could find. No other air has different recovery, his Bs seem identical, down B into the ground has same recovery etc.

 

[VivaReverie]

Any changes to Puff, especially to her rest?

Rest is identical, kills Marth at 60 (On Omega Golden Plains) and doesn't kill at 59.

 

[Hyruleslink]

Any changes to Pit or Zero Suit?

 

[VivaReverie]

Any Meta Knight buffs? Did his range improve?

MK AFAIK is untouched. Tried a buncha things out, looks and feels samey.

Any changes to Pit or Zero Suit?

Gonna test more things out, but immediately I found a nerf on ZSS. Her blaster has more recovery frames, albeit it's very slight.

Edit: I see no other changes on ZSS.

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

MK AFAIK is untouched. Tried a buncha things out, looks and feels samey.

Gonna test more things out, but immediately I found a nerf on ZSS. Her blaster has more recovery frames, albeit it's very slight.

Great work you're doing! Don't wanna sound pushy, but anything happen with Marth?

 

[Hyruleslink]

MK AFAIK is untouched. Tried a buncha things out, looks and feels samey.

Gonna test more things out, but immediately I found a nerf on ZSS. Her blaster has more recovery frames, albeit it's very slight.

Bummer. Hopefully they decreased the recovery for Pit's Upperdash Arm.

 

[GreenFlame]

Ness mains, Ness' d-throw has been nerfed damage-wise! Instead of the 9% it originally dealt, it now deals 7%.

 

[Archimedes]

Ness mains, Ness' d-throw has been nerfed damage-wise! Instead of the 9% it originally dealt, it now deals 7%.

Your right it does. At least I can still combo out of it.

 

[VivaReverie]

Great work you're doing! Don't wanna sound pushy, but anything happen with Marth?

Keep the requests coming, happy to help.
Marth's everything seems unchanged, nothing has extended or reduced recovery, damage looks same too.

Bummer. Hopefully they decreased the recovery for Pit's Upperdash Arm.

On Pit now, and no, recovery on Upperdash Arm on whiff and on hit is identical in both versions unfortunately. I'm about to try out other things.

Ness mains, Ness' d-throw has been nerfed damage-wise! Instead of the 9% it originally dealt, it now deals 7%.

I can confirm this, tis tru.

 

[Hyruleslink]

Keep the requests coming, happy to help.
Marth's everything seems unchanged, nothing has extended or reduced recovery, damage looks same too.

On Pit now, and no, recovery on Upperdash Arm on whiff and on hit is identical in both versions unfortunately. I'm about to try out other things.

I can confirm this, tis tru.

Bummer again. Lol. Thanks for the for the updates

 

[G-Guy]

any buffs/nerf on Donkey Kong? I'd love to know

 

[VivaReverie]

Pit overall looks untouched. To kill two birds with one stone I also tried out Dark Pit, he also looks untouched.

 

[Deleted member]

Nice to see Shulk get buffed in damage it seems!

Now tell me, has Luigi or Greninja been buffed or nerfed?
Does Luigi's down throw still send people upwards where he can set up combos and juggles? Did his recovery improve?
As for Greninja, can someone use his down aerial on the ground and immediately follow up with a Shadow Sneak? Shadow Sneak cancels out the landing lag of his down aerial and I heard that was removed in the Wii U version.

 

[VivaReverie]

any buffs/nerf on Donkey Kong? I'd love to know

Curiously, DK looks untouched. Huh, I thought he was pretty low-tier.