Unpopular Smash 4 Opinions - share them here!

[Fuqua]

There is no "true way" to play smash, as long as you are moving yourself within the games boundaries (no hacking), you ARE playing smash the right way. If someone claims otherwise he/she is an unreasonable and ignorant person. Smash is a game that can be played by different kinds of people who seek different kinds of experiences, telling one group of people they are playing the game wrong is unnecessarily rude and just plain stupid.

Competitive matches should be without items because items are an unbalanced and unpredictable mess, pretty simple and obvious to me. Also would you really want to see a competitive match on "New pork city"? We pick certain stages because they are fair, and far more importantly, FUN!

From my experience on this forum, the casual side of smash fans are far more intolerant of the other side than the competitive side is, constantly seeking confrontation and talking about what the "true way" of playing smash is, aka complete bull****. This is especially sad since this is supposed to be a competitive smash forum, i thought i wouldn't have to encounter these kinds of misconceptions and pretentious attitudes on this forum but what can you do.

 

[BKupa666]

That being said, fans who say that whether or not they're getting the game hinges on one character being in or not are childish. The roster will have a solid 50 (+/- 2) characters, and the one that you wanted not getting in ruins the whole game for you? I can say with honesty that if Kirby (my favorite Smash character) got cut for some unexplainable reason I would still get the game. Why? There will be ~50 other characters, and it's still Smash Bros.

It feels good to get that out of my system.

Forgive my childish self for not throwing away $500 on a system/controllers and a game with a centerpiece roster that doesn't excite me at all.

--Fans who wear their unconditional purchase of Smash as some badge of honor or who try to paint those with standards as "not true fans" are grating and obnoxious.

Ganondorf shouldn't have been added in as a last minute clone in Melee.

I know. Not an unpopular opinion. That's this next part:

Nor should he have been added in Brawl. Ganon should've gotten in there.

--Ganondorf should have been developed as Melee's final unique character instead of the six "roster beefing" one-off clones. That way, we get Original Ganondorf and Mewtwo in Brawl, rather than Falco and Captain Ganondorf.

 

[Morbi]

There is no "true way" to play smash, as long as you are moving yourself within the games boundaries (no hacking), you ARE playing smash the right way. If someone claims otherwise he/she is an unreasonable and ignorant person. Smash is a game that can be played by different kinds of people who seek different kinds of experiences, telling one group of people they are playing the game wrong is unnecessarily rude and just plain stupid.

Competitive matches should be without items because items are an unbalanced and unpredictable mess, pretty simple and obvious to me. Also would you really want to see a competitive match on "New pork city"? We pick certain stages because they are fair, and far more importantly, FUN!

From my experience on this forum, the casual side of smash fans are far more intolerant of the other side than the competitive side is, constantly seeking confrontation and talking about what the "true way" of playing smash is, aka complete bull****. This is especially sad since this is supposed to be a competitive smash forum, i thought i wouldn't have to encounter these kinds of misconceptions and pretentious attitudes on this forum but what can you do.

Correct me if I misinterpreted something: Your opinion is objective fact, anyone who doesn't agree with your assertion is an unreasonably ignorant person? If you are playing within the boundary of the game, you are playing Smash the "right" way, yet you contradict yourself and assert that there is no right way. Lastly, is Project M not Smash? Technically it is a hacked version of Brawl. Self-referential incoherence plagues your argument.

 

[Pazzo.]

There is no "true way" to play smash, as long as you are moving yourself within the games boundaries (no hacking), you ARE playing smash the right way. If someone claims otherwise he/she is an unreasonable and ignorant person. Smash is a game that can be played by different kinds of people who seek different kinds of experiences, telling one group of people they are playing the game wrong is unnecessarily rude and just plain stupid.

Competitive matches should be without items because items are an unbalanced and unpredictable mess, pretty simple and obvious to me. Also would you really want to see a competitive match on "New pork city"? We pick certain stages because they are fair, and far more importantly, FUN!

From my experience on this forum, the casual side of smash fans are far more intolerant of the other side than the competitive side is, constantly seeking confrontation and talking about what the "true way" of playing smash is, aka complete bull****. This is especially sad since this is supposed to be a competitive smash forum, i thought i wouldn't have to encounter these kinds of misconceptions and pretentious attitudes on this forum but what can you do.

Give this man (or woman) a cookie.

 

[Fuqua]

Correct me if I misinterpreted something: Your opinion is objective fact, anyone who doesn't agree with your assertion is an unreasonably ignorant person? If you are playing within the boundary of the game, you are playing Smash the "right" way, yet you contradict yourself and assert that there is no right way. Lastly, is Project M not Smash? Technically it is a hacked version of Brawl. Self-referential incoherence plagues your argument.

I dont contradict myself. There is no "right" way, because every way you may play the game is the "right" way. You can't possibly do something "wrong" when just playing a game lol... Project M is an entirely different thing, i was referring to hacking like when you gain an unfair advantage in an online match through hacking as you can see with multiple online games. I don't have any issues with project M.

 

[Morbi]

I dont contradict myself. There is no "right" way, because every way you may play the game is the "right" way. You can't possibly do something "wrong" when just playing a game lol... Project M is an entirely different thing, i was referring to hacking like when you gain an unfair advantage in an online match through hacking as you can see with multiple online games. I don't have any issues with project M.

There is no "true way" to play smash, as long as you are moving yourself within the games boundaries (no hacking), you ARE playing smash the right way. If someone claims otherwise he/she is an unreasonable and ignorant person. Smash is a game that can be played by different kinds of people who seek different kinds of experiences, telling one group of people they are playing the game wrong is unnecessarily rude and just plain stupid.

Competitive matches should be without items because items are an unbalanced and unpredictable mess, pretty simple and obvious to me. Also would you really want to see a competitive match on "New pork city"? We pick certain stages because they are fair, and far more importantly, FUN!

From my experience on this forum, the casual side of smash fans are far more intolerant of the other side than the competitive side is, constantly seeking confrontation and talking about what the "true way" of playing smash is, aka complete bull****. This is especially sad since this is supposed to be a competitive smash forum, i thought i wouldn't have to encounter these kinds of misconceptions and pretentious attitudes on this forum but what can you do.

I underlined every notion to make them much more overt; as apparently, they were not blatantly obvious.

 

[Second Power]

Like how one mod specifically says this isn't the place for an argument, and less than ten posts later, another mod picks a fight.

- Stages hype me up more than characters (not so much an unpopular opinion, rather an insane one).
- Despite the above, FD only ruleset is fine by me.
- I'll be disappointed if there's no DLC.

Edit: And I roll my eyes everytime I read "Obligatory retro".

 

[Fuqua]

I underlined every notion to make them much more overt; as apparently, they were not blatantly obvious.

Im sorry dude i don't see what the issue is here.

 

[Morbi]

Im sorry dude i don't see what the issue is here.

There is no issue; if that is what you believe, that is what this thread is for.

 

[Radical Bones]

I feel like posting the video for Let it Go here so everyone just sings and is happy.

 

[Morbi]

I feel like Smash 4 should just beef up the roster with more clones.

 

[D-idara]

- "I can't buy it so you shouldn't be able to..." IS a stupid argument againist DLC, not to mention a Communist, Socialist mindset, and obsolete, damaging political models should be kept as far away from Smash as possible.
- I consider Windy Hill Zone and Greninja on the same level of WHY THE **** ARE THEY ON THIS GAME!?

 

[Cap'nChreest]

I feel like Smash 4 should just beef up the roster with more clones.

Slippy, Peppy, Panther, Leon, James, Young link, Spirit tracks link, Toon Zelda, BumbleBee Mario, Tanooki Mario, Paper Mario, Dr. Mario, Mario Party Mario, Daisy, Dr. Luigi, Mr. L, Dark Samus, Fusion Suit samus, Emboar, Blaiziken, Infernape, Ninten, Dark Pit. Yes. This is what needs to happen.

 

[Sucumbio]

According to mariowiki.com King K Rool is the second most frequently appearing villian, behind Bowser. So I guess he IS relevant, and I guess he DOES deserve a spot in Smash 4. I just personally don't give a rat's ass cause Kirby > DKC.

Ridley should not be playable. A matchup between Ridley and Samus would look ******** because they'd be about the same height and we know that to not be true, you can fit Samus into Ridley 500 times or more. And since mother brain would equally be stupid looking, Samus/ZSS will remain the only Metroid rep in terms of playable characters. C'mon that's good enough, you still get the spin attack drop in general items and that's more than other franchises can say, who get no general item drops.

There hasn't been a console follow up to Star Fox since 2005 (Assault) and yet Wolf made it into Brawl. Maybe they will finally put Krystal in. The game needs more *****...cats. >>>...<<<

*disclaimer* these are all unpopular opinions, and not even shared by me, really... I think. XD

 

[The Real Gamer]

Anyone who plays the "Ridley is too big" card needs to also apply the same logic to Olimar.

Pikmin Wiki:

• He has three short brown hairs and wears a beige spacesuit with a red tracking beacon on his helmet, decorated with a red life-support backpack and red gloves. He measures 1.9cm tall, and 3.9cm tall with his space suit on.

Captain Olimar is too small for Smash 4.

 

[Flaxr XIII]

Anyone who plays the "Ridley is too big" card needs to also apply the same logic to Olimar.

Pikmin Wiki:

Captain Olimar is too small for Smash 4.

With this logic, Chibi Robo totally has a chance too. :D

 

[Rabbattack]

I want Krystal in because she has hairy bewbz. I want Ruto in because she has fish bewbz. I want Saria in because she has no bewbz. I want Nabooru in because she has...bewbz. I want Epona in because she has eight nipples. I want Snake back in because he has a butt that stands out. I want Impa in because she has wrinkly bewbz.

I like tripping.

 

[The Real Gamer]

With this logic, Chibi Robo totally has a chance too. :D

Nope... too small.

Spoiler

srrycomeagainkthanxbai

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

Nope... too small.

Spoiler

srrycomeagainkthanxbai

Looks like he should fit all right!

 

[Shaya]

If smash64 taught us anything...
Mario is the size of an eraser.

and battlefield is just a card castle held up by pencils.

Size doesn't matter
(That's what she said)

 

[IsmaR]

If smash64 taught us anything...
Mario is the size of an eraser.

and battlefield is just a card castle held up by pencils.

Size doesn't matter
(That's what she said)

Once again I find myself quoting this:

This is how much Sakurai has cared about scaling of any magnitude since the first SSB game.

Spoiler

Size not mattering isn't an opinion, much less an unpopular one. However people choosing to accept/not dispute it is.

 

[Shaya]

I really wanted to say That's what Ismar said but I had to consider the boundaries breached BUT THERE YOU ARE...

 

[Makaronileo]

i don't like ike, he is overrated

 

[A Lucky Person]

Forgive my childish self for not throwing away $500 on a system/controllers and a game with a centerpiece roster that doesn't excite me at all.

--Fans who wear their unconditional purchase of Smash as some badge of honor or who try to paint those with standards as "not true fans" are grating and obnoxious.

That's quite the statement. Are you telling me that you, a moderator with over 5,000 posts on a dedicated Smash Bros. forum, aren't going to get the newest Smash game if K. Rool (or whoever else you want) doesn't get in? Don't forget that it'll be on 3DS, so if you don't already have one you can get an original or a 2DS for pretty cheap.

Also, I don't feel as if my "unconditional purchase" of the game is something to be desired. I love Smash, so I'm getting the newest one.

Toon Tetra, Isaac, and Bandana Dee probably aren't going to make it into the final roster, even though I really want them to. However, the potential (and likely) exclusion of all of these characters won't break the game for me. It looks fantastic and incredibly fun to play as it stands right now, and that's why I'm getting it.


TL;DR: You think it's silly to "throw away" money on an incredible game because it lacks a character or two you wanted, and I think it's silly to be so upset about the exclusion of a character or two that it makes you not even consider purchasing the game.

 

[Sucumbio]

I'm in the same boat, really. Is Smash 4 a system seller? To me, yes, but to many, no. My wife for instance isn't sold on getting WiiU JUST because Smash4 is coming out, it's four or five titles that's coming out that's convinced her it'll be good to get one, but not before getting a PS4. Heh. So ... I can see how someone looking at the roster as mediocre not jumping at buying it. In many ways this illustrates just how much steam the Smash scene lost in terms of hype for a new game. Melee was so popular that when the sequel fell SO short of expectations, I'm sure many true die hard fans are just ... plain skeptical about this new game being worth it. Brawl hurt the franchise, seemingly irrevocably. I guess we'll just have to see if Smash4 can really rekindle the flame so to speak. I personally can't wait, I think the new For Glory mode is gonna be fantastic, but I'm in the minority of an already minor minority.

 

[The Real Gamer]

In terms of looks Princess Peach > Rosalina

Come at me Rosie fanboys.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

People who honestly think Lloyd Irving would get in before Pac Man are the truly delusional ones.

 

[Pazzo.]

Smash 4 is probably going to get an unnecessary Pokemon and it will be as boring to play and have as little personality as Lucario.

What a prediction!

Spoiler

 

[Chandeelure]

People who honestly think Lloyd Irving would get in before Pac Man are the truly delusional ones.

Well, this is about unpopular opinions.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

What a prediction!

Spoiler

I actually really like Greninja.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

People who honestly think Lloyd Irving would get in before Pac Man are the truly delusional ones.

I could say anyone who think Pac-Man is guaranteed, period. We could get many characters, and Lloyd is also a very likely choice among the decently possible ones. Being fully unique(two swords), popular, from a franchise that did a lot for Nintendo(even more specifically, Symphonia was heavily received well).

We have more than enough ample proof that Banda-Namco may not even get a character. An outright statement from Sakurai literally saying he's paying no special consideration to Bandai-Namci specifically for character choices.

 

[BKupa666]

That's quite the statement. Are you telling me that you, a moderator with over 5,000 posts on a dedicated Smash Bros. forum, aren't going to get the newest Smash game if K. Rool (or whoever else you want) doesn't get in? Don't forget that it'll be on 3DS, so if you don't already have one you can get an original or a 2DS for pretty cheap.

Also, I don't feel as if my "unconditional purchase" of the game is something to be desired. I love Smash, so I'm getting the newest one.

Toon Tetra, Isaac, and Bandana Dee probably aren't going to make it into the final roster, even though I really want them to. However, the potential (and likely) exclusion of all of these characters won't break the game for me. It looks fantastic and incredibly fun to play as it stands right now, and that's why I'm getting it.

TL;DR: You think it's silly to "throw away" money on an incredible game because it lacks a character or two you wanted, and I think it's silly to be so upset about the exclusion of a character or two that it makes you not even consider purchasing the game.

Without one of K. Rool and Ridley playable, I wouldn't buy, because nothing else in the game is worth $500 to me as of now. Melee drew me in with my favorites Bowser and DK, while Brawl drew me in with Diddy, Wario, and Dedede. I love those games (and this forum about them) because of those characters, and I get great enjoyment from them to this day. I don't need another expensive game/system just so I can play as the same characters a second or third time, plus a handful of 'others' I wouldn't play as anyways. I understand this is an unusual way of thinking.

I won't be upset if K. Rool or Ridley aren't there...well, scratch that, I think it'd be a hideously stupid oversight from Sakurai...more like, I won't childishly boycott the game or deem it a bad, awful game if they're absent. I'll just play it at my cousins' house and friends' dorms instead of buying my own. Smash is like a cake to me...there are many, many delicious cakes all over the world, and I'll certainly try samples at different parties, but I'm not going to buy a new creation from the bakery, just because I've also bought my favorite chocolate cakes from the bakery years ago.

Oh, reminds me:

--I can see why the 3DS version appeals to some users to whom the idea of a handheld Smash is appealing, but it doesn't interest me at all because personally, nothing beats the feeling of seeing high-quality characters fighting on a big screen. To each his or her own.

 

[D-idara]

I'm buying the game because of Rosalina, Villager and Little Mac at the moment, but Wonder Red, K.Rool, Ridley or Layton would make this the best possible Smash, without them...it's...another Smash Bros.
Both Melee and Brawl had the playable debut of a lot of fan-requested, must-have characters, so the fact that so far the only highly requested newcomers have been Megaman, Little Mac and to some extent Villager (Tumblr rejoiced)...feels a little underwhelming, where are the big hitters? Where's Mewtwo, Palutena, Ridley, K.Rool, Wonder Red, Isaac, Chrom?
On another note, BKupa, you should buy Smash, even if only to support Nintendo. They're not looking so hot right now and without the absolute greatness that is Nintendo, we wouldn't have any of those games and amazing characters, plus, even though Smash should always be viewed as 80% roster and 20% everything else, Smash4 does look like a ton of fun.

 

[BKupa666]

I do support Nintendo by discussing and fostering discussion online about one of its greatest franchises (two, counting DKC on DK Vine). Support does not equate to unconditional purchase of its games, and personally, I think Nintendo is largely to blame for what problems it is facing at the moment, so to borrow a phrase, it gets no sympathy from me.

 

[D-idara]

I do support Nintendo by discussing and fostering discussion online about one of its greatest franchises (two, counting DKC on DK Vine). Support does not equate to unconditional purchase of its games, and personally, I think Nintendo is largely to blame for what problems it is facing at the moment, so to borrow a phrase, it gets no sympathy from me.

Well, the entire videogame community, SPECIALLY gaming 'journalists' are to blame for Nintendo's problems, but that's for another thread.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, the entire videogame community, SPECIALLY gaming 'journalists' are to blame for Nintendo's problems, but that's for another thread.

Because their terrible marketing and refusal to release specs to 3rd party developers have absolutely nothing to do with how badly the Wii U is doing, right?

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Because their terrible marketing and refusal to release specs to 3rd party developers have absolutely nothing to do with how badly the Wii U is doing, right?

Oh, and don't forget their Japanese-centric design philosophies, which don't go over well in the other markets (e.g. Friend Codes, systems small and underpowered to fit better in Japanese homes, tablet was there to catch JP's increasing handheld reliance, not because tablets are popular worldwide).

He does have a point about journalists talking crap about Nintendo, but that's them being dumb and misreading flaws, not active malice (Hanlon's Razor, kids). Most malice is a result of machismo-laden advertising from Microsoft and the like. Journalists are just being opportunists.

Which leads me to something on topic--Little Mac alone isn't going to score on Western sensibilities. For Glory seems more like the answer to Japanese tourneys than how we roll here, and is part of the problem I described above.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, and don't forget their Japanese-centric design philosophies, which don't go over well in the other markets (e.g. Friend Codes, systems small and underpowered to fit better in Japanese homes, tablet was there to catch JP's increasing handheld reliance, not because tablets are popular worldwide).

He does have a point about journalists talking crap about Nintendo, but that's them being dumb and misreading flaws, not active malice (Hanlon's Razor, kids). Most malice is a result of machismo-laden advertising from Microsoft and the like. Journalists are just being opportunists.

Which leads me to something on topic--Little Mac alone isn't going to score on Western sensibilities. For Glory seems more like the answer to Japanese tourneys than how we roll here, and is part of the problem I described above.

True, he does have a point, but that doesn't mean that Nintendo hasn't been making any mistakes with the Wii U, which they very clearly have been (like what you said with the Japanese-centric design choices and the aforementioned lack of 3rd party support due to their stubbornness)

 

[Grimnir]

I think the bottom line is that the video game industry is not a charity. Nintendo is a producer who give their products to consumers AT A PRICE. Even putting aside that supposedly Nintendo has enough money stored away to survive several decades of not profiting, it's still silly to give them your business for something you aren't interested in just because you have in the past. Would Nintendo do the same for you? I highly doubt it. When their employees and second parties start to slip and make games which are poorly received and don't sell, they don't say "Well your past games were good so we'll keep paying you for mediocrity". No, they get dropped.

 

[D-idara]

I think the bottom line is that the video game industry is not a charity. Nintendo is a producer who give their products to consumers AT A PRICE. Even putting aside that supposedly Nintendo has enough money stored away to survive several decades of not profiting, it's still silly to give them your business for something you aren't interested in just because you have in the past. Would Nintendo do the same for you? I highly doubt it. When their employees and second parties start to slip and make games which are poorly received and don't sell, they don't say "Well your past games were good so we'll keep paying you for mediocrity". No, they get dropped.

You do realize that's how Banjo & Kazooie ended up being kidnapped by Microsoft and then killed off? What a good choice that was, let's give one of the most memorable cast of characters (Rare's characters) to the root of all gaming evil so they can not use them at all! Also, you're implying that Nintendo's being mediocre? I don't even know what to say to that, so I'll just leave this video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwOJyKxPt1s

Because their terrible marketing and refusal to release specs to 3rd party developers have absolutely nothing to do with how badly the Wii U is doing, right?

Nintendo's upping their marketing right now, and it seems to be working slowly but surely...and I didn't know about that refusal to release specs. But Nintendo's still Nintendo, and without them we wouldn't have real gaming anymore, it's become the 'cool' thing to hate on Nintendo nowadays, all the cool kids (Read: Fraternity ******* and 12-year old COD-obsessed boys) are doing it, and the fact that it's happening ON A SUPER SMASH BROS. FORUM, eugh, it's just disgusting. Yes, Nintendo made some mistakes, but people, especially people on a Smash forum, should stop overblowing them and start looking at the lots of positives. The Wii U's a great console with great hardware and software, if it's capable of outputting something as breathtaking as Mario Kart 8 or Wind Waker HD, then it's good enough for me.