Unpopular Smash 4 Opinions - share them here!

[Megadoomer]

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but as far as franchises that have already appeared in Super Smash Bros. go, I feel like the only ones that need a newcomer are Donkey Kong, Metroid, Fire Emblem, and Kid Icarus.

-Donkey Kong has undergone a massive increase in popularity under Retro's guidance, to the point where it's as big of a franchise for Nintendo as it was when Rare was making the games
-Metroid has roughly tripled in size since the original Super Smash Bros. - I find it kind of silly that it hasn't gotten a second character yet
-I don't really think I need to explain Kid Icarus
-Fire Emblem Awakening is, far and away, the best-selling Fire Emblem game. At this point, I feel like the series has earned a third character - they can keep Ike and add Chrom, Robin, or Lucina (I have no idea who's more popular)

As for other series, I figure that Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon are well-represented as it is (assuming that Mewtwo is brought back, though he doesn't count as a newcomer). Wario and Yoshi seem to be fine with one representative - Yoshi may be in a similar boat as Metroid, with only having one character since the first instalment of Smash Bros., but the Yoshi series hasn't undergone the massive expansion that the Metroid series has, and most of the characters in Yoshi's games are generally found in Mario games as well.

Star Fox and Earthbound seem to be fine - the biggest issue is the complete lack of new material to draw from, and while there are potential newcomers for both series, I don't feel like they're necessarily needed. Kirby's got the core trio of characters, which seems to represent the series perfectly. Olimar seems to represent the Pikmin series well enough on his own; the Pikmin 3 captains would likely play similarly to him, but with slightly different Pikmin line-ups, and while it's possible to toss around ideas of enemies, like the Plasm Wraith, they don't seem necessary or likely. As for F-Zero, having Captain Falcon fight was enough of a stretch - while that series has a lot of characters, they don't really do much outside of their vehicles.

Then there's the one-offs, like Ice Climbers, R.O.B., and Game & Watch. There isn't really anything else that could be added for those three.

If they just put in a newcomer or two for the four series that I mentioned, and focused on adding new series into Smash Bros., I'd be okay with that.

 

[gameplayzero]

some mod disrespected me and called my opinion "unpopular" when there was no way to know if it was popular or not. Ndayday was his name. I hope the site follows its rules more rigidly next time instead of bashing people because the mod simply does not agree with my subject matter.

 

[The Real Gamer]

some mod disrespected me and called my opinion "unpopular" when there was no way to know if it was popular or not. Ndayday was his name. I hope the site follows its rules more rigidly next time instead of bashing people because the mod simply does not agree with my subject matter.

This post has nothing to do with Smash 4.

If you have a problem with the rules please contact the mods instead of discussing it here.

 

[Hapajin]

-My most wanted metroid character is Sylux
-Samus should get a complete reboot on her moves
for example, removing the charge shot for a longer ranged more rapid fire weapon from the 2D games
-Zant would be incredible

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

some mod disrespected me and called my opinion "unpopular" when there was no way to know if it was popular or not. Ndayday was his name. I hope the site follows its rules more rigidly next time instead of bashing people because the mod simply does not agree with my subject matter.

You can always take it to Forum Support where a Senator will look into it. Regardless, this isn't the place to voice unpopular opinions about Smashboards so please refrain from doing it here.

 

[IsmaR]

some mod disrespected me and called my opinion "unpopular" when there was no way to know if it was popular or not.

There was a way. It's called common sense. Regardless, no one is bashing here but you.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

some mod disrespected me and called my opinion "unpopular" when there was no way to know if it was popular or not. Ndayday was his name. I hope the site follows its rules more rigidly next time instead of bashing people because the mod simply does not agree with my subject matter.

Well...isn't the thread about unpopular opinions? So, are you upset that he/she stated the obvious or what?

I would just let it go if I were you. Nothing worth getting upset about.

 

[gameplayzero]

There was a way. It's called common sense. Regardless, no one is bashing here but you.

This isn't a respectful response. I did take up with support and I apologize for my angry outburst (I will delete my post), but was that "common sense" thing really necessary? All the other mods respectfully told me to take it to support (even if my whining was unnecessary). As any person with power you should be a role model to the community. Even if a poster says something idiotic or something that seems obvious, you should be as patient and polite as possible. I'm a waiter and I have had frustrating customers in the past. I never said anything to offend them and gave them what they needed and was off.

I apologize for taking my anger out here. It won't happen again. Can someone tell me how to delete post? Thank you.

 

[Thor]

Some more opinions (let's get this thread on track):

1. If Sakurai had only the current newcomers and brought back the rest of the original 12, Falco, MK, Sheik, ICs, and ZSS, I would be hyped because I got back all the characters I really wanted [Falco, MK, CF, sort of rest of original 12], I got back [most of] the characters I thought deserved to be in smash [original 12, ZSS, Sheik, ICs, maybe Falco/MK?], and THERE WAS NO F****** RIDLEY OR KING K ROOL!!! YES!!!!

2. I would prefer to see Sakurai port in Brawl- MK and buff him, while nerfing everyone else to below Melee Pichu (and include Melee Pichu to have Pichu as #2 on the tier list) over giving into player demands who want the game "just like Melee." There's a reason to remove hitstun cancelling [at least at low percents] (combos) and maybe some other stuff, but c'mon, you people have PM for a reason. We can keep the Brawl airdodge (and some other stuff), it makes juggling somewhat more technical.

3. I will [probably] hate Rosalina more than any other character if Luma can grab [including our original ICs (Infinite Climbers)], but she's my favorite newcomer if Luma can't (Actually no wait this probably not unpopular at all).

4. If ICs had the grab range of Brawl Dedede I probably would just laugh at Sakurai's direct assault on the competitive community. And I am going to do what I can to play the game competitively (entering locals, moving my way up if I can, etc.), but the spite made by this move alone would be worth how crap the game would be if they also kept their infinites. If they didn't keep their infinites and had this I'd probably just take it in stride as a way to confuse the competitive community.

5. I don't want to see any character banned. Even if #2 happens. We'll play MK dittos all year.

6. I want to see the Mario Bros. stage return, and I'd love to see a new event occur where all matches are played on that stage. The metagame would be so awesome (I think Falco/Fox/Wolf > MK in Brawl on that stage)

7. I want to see some way to implement Cactuar Stamina Pancake in the new game (oh wait this isn't unpopular either, most people just don't care).

8. If random tripping returns as a balancing mechanic I'll tip my hat (or fake that I'm wearing a hat and make the gesture) to Sakurai for trying to balance the game. [no guarantee I won't go cry somewhere that he did this afterwards...]

9. I would hate to see any kind of customization beyond what was offered in Brawl (i.e, different character skins and changing the controllers on your GC). Please no patches either - metagame won't shift because of balance changes, it should shift because people get good.

10. I want the IDC to return (but stay banned competitively of course - I'm not insane...) - trolling scrubs is funny.

I think that's good for now.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Alright, let's just drop it. Any gutter discussion will result in warnings and infractions. Let's just get back to the topic at hand; ok popular Smash bros opinions.

Like what Thot just posted

And @ gameplayzero , please don't double post.

 

[gameplayzero]

best to let this conversation

Alright, let's just drop it. Any gutter discussion will result in warnings and infractions. Let's just get back to the topic at hand; ok popular Smash bros opinions.

Like what Thot just posted

And @ gameplayzero , please don't double post.

noted, but can I ask what I double posted?

Oh wait I get it. I didn't expect that to count as a "double post" but ok. Anyways no more off topic discussions!

I would like Waliugi to be in the game instead of being an assist trophy. I would like more female representation and clones to either be a) removed completely or b) made more unique. Sakura has been extremely lazy with characters like toon link, wolf, falco, and ganondorf when luigi is more unique than mario. All of those characters should have something unique about them rather than just being carbon copies and barely adding anything new to the game. Something is clearly wrong with that.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

This isn't a respectful response. I did take up with support and I apologize for my angry outburst (I will delete my post), but was that "common sense" thing really necessary? All the other mods respectfully told me to take it to support (even if my whining was unnecessary). As any person with power you should be a role model to the community. Even if a poster says something idiotic or something that seems obvious, you should be as patient and polite as possible. I'm a waiter and I have had frustrating customers in the past. I never said anything to offend them and gave them what they needed and was off.

I apologize for taking my anger out here. It won't happen again. Can someone tell me how to delete post? Thank you.

You posted these two messages back to back so I merged them together.

 

[gameplayzero]

thanks for clarification. Won't do it again.

 

[Mr_Anderson]

Woohoo first post.

I like the idea of having a lot of third-party characters in Smash, as long as they have a long history with Nintendo. Most of my wishlist is third-party, in fact. I know this isn't too unpopular, but it's unpopular to Sakurai, which I think is silly.

I absolutely hate the idea of Geno and Ridley being in Smash Bros. Geno is overrated and overliked, and Ridley shrunken down looks weird, but more importantly, I think his moveset would be too clunky.

I honestly couldn't care less about alternate skins. As long as there are multiple colors, I'm fine.

I like the idea of ROB returning.

I think that eventually there should be small DLCs for Smash, but only to add stages.

And finally, I think that Travis Touchdown definitely deserves a spot on the roster, as his game was one of the best on the Wii.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

All of these people using terrible logic against Mii's inclusion instead of focusing on actual points makes me want Mii even more.

And I was lukewarm about them to start with.

 

[Rockaphin]

Here are some more of my many unpopular opinions:

• I don't hate Mii's and wouldn't mind their inclusion, but I don't really want them.
• I hope the Retro Rep isn't Takamaru.
• I'd prefer Medusa over Palutena. I think Palutena is a little overrated.
  
• I don't like the fact that Jigglypuff seems to get a "free ride" because she's one of the original twelve. I think she was highly undeserving in the first place.
• I'd prefer Ryu over Megaman, but Megaman is far more fitting and deserving.
• I'd actually like customization to some extent.
• The Mario RPG's are horrendously underrepresented.
  
• I actually didn't care for Snake in the beginning.
• I think Pac-Man would be a decent addition.
• I hate the Temple in Basic Brawl online.
• I think the Mario Series deserved five reps in Brawl and six reps in Smash 4.
• I hated the WFT at first but now I accept her and think she somewhat deserved a spot. She still seems like a very boring character IMO. . .
• I wished the Poltergust was part of Luigi's moveset to further differentiate him from Mario, but I'm glad to see it in. His previous Final Smash was. . . Ugh.
• I would like to see a lot more music options.
• If Toon Link received more elements from Windwaker like the Deku Leaf for example, I'd accept his inclusion.
• Where is Bowser's Castle?
• I think having the same characters on the 3DS and the Wii U was a bad idea. Especially if there's no cross-play.
  
• I want Mario's moveset "revamped".
• Pokémon Trainer better not be cut. Nor do I want his Pokémon changed. Also, the stamina mechanic was terrible but I don't think it should be removed entirely. Just reworked.
• I don't think the upcoming Direct will be as "full-filling" as people think it'll be.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Here's another unpopular (or at least, understated) opinion.

If people spent half the amount of time they spend talking about Smash actually playing it, "Brawl vs Melee" wouldn't be as much of a debate as it is. This isn't calling anyone out or anything. I love talking Smash just as much as I love playing it. But I still think there's some truth to it.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Here's another unpopular (or at least, understated) opinion.

If people spent half the amount of time they spend talking about Smash actually playing it, "Brawl vs Melee" wouldn't be as much of a debate as it is. This isn't calling anyone out or anything. I love talking Smash just as much as I love playing it. But I still think there's some truth to it.

You know what, you are absolutely right. So many people tend to jump on each others throats on simple things like personal preference that they don't even understand where the other is coming from. It's kind of easy to spot out some of the players who just speculate, but the ones that like to put you down and make you look bad are incredibly ridiculous at times. It honestly makes me want to challenge them in any game to see if their mouths can back it up.

Now, for my opinion.

F-tilts (Snakes excluded) in general are incredibly underrated moves.

 

[EmceeEspio]

A warm flurry of my unpopular opinions for all you people:

My most wanted and most advocated for character is Geno. I've said it before and I'll say it again, but I'll never step down from my position of advocating for this character wether he's likely or not.

Toon Link and Lucario were my favorite Brawl vets and I'm glad to see them back, but in the case of Toony, I wish the Deku Leaf, Bombchus, Wind Waker, etc. were used in his moveset to differentiate from Link. Come to think of it... the Spin Attack for Toony seems to look as if it will function similarly to the Hurricane Spin this time around, so who knows?

In the chance of the game having 50 characters on it's roster, I'd be perfectly fine with having 5 third parties.

Did I already mention Geno? Yes? Ok, moving on...

I would actually LOVE Miis if they
fought using Nintendo hardware from all generations (Wii remotes, NES Zappers, Gamecubes swung by the handle, Controller tether grabs, Using a 3DS touchscreen to launch projectiles, the possibilities are endless!)

Zelda deserves 5 slots of characters. Pokemon deserves 5 slots as well. But Mario? Every time I hear "over represented" about this series I wince. In any case, Mario is underrepresented if anything

In the end, I have all my preferences, but long as the roster is fun and fresh and the gameplay is fun I'm glad that there's a new installment in the series.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

My most-wanted newcomers are Kumatora, Porky, and Chibi-Robo.
I also feel that Advance Wars should have a rep, preferably Sami.

 

[SomewhatMystia]

I'm still way too annoyed that, so far, Toon Link seems to be exactly the same (moveset-wise) as he was in Brawl.

I really hope that most of our new items aren't Zelda-themed. Zelda has enough reps in characters and items as far as I'm concerned.

I think that Wolf and Lucas should be replaced with someone who has potential for a different moveset from their series. Or, in the case of Star Fox, just make Falco reasonably different (just like they did with Luigi) and from Fox and I'll be happy.

As much as I want Palutena, I'd prefer to see KI (and other series) getting a villain. Haven't played KI:U, but the consensus seems to be Hades is our best shot.

Overall, the game needs more villains. Not people like Dedede who are just kind of assholes or rivals sometimes, but the big bads of the game. Give me Ridley, Black Shadow, Porky or any of the other dozen really cool villains that Nintendo has. (Except for the Mario ones, I'd say that Rosalina should be the last new Mario character added for either a few games or until everyone else has a similarly full roster of reps)

Edit: And I don't want Mewtwo back. Give me Hawlucha or someone silly like that.

Edit 2: Don't want anymore sword users, either. There are other really cool weapons out there (like spears) that could make for fun movesets.

Edit 3: I really dislike ZSS and Sheik, if only because the time that goes into making them could go be dedicated into giving us someone new. I'm not the biggest fan of the transformation Final Smashes, either. I'd rather have Sonic zip around the screen like Latios/Latias as Super Sonic instead of controlling a finnicky ball of hurt. WarioMan is just all-around boring and uninteresting. I am looking forward to Giga Mac, though, weirdly enough.

 

[Radical Bones]

After today's direct...

Greninja is a much better choice over Mewtwo. If there are five Pokemon reps, it is completely absurd to have four of them (if it were to be Pikachu, Charizard, Jiggs and Mewtwo) from Gen 1. It's like if Fire Emblem got multiple reps, but all were from FE:1. I know that Gen 1 was the glory days, but X and Y were incredible, and did amazing things for the series. Greninja and Hawlucha were the two picks from that Gen, and Greninja made way more sense being a starter. If anything, hate on Charizard for being picked as a Gen 1 rep, he stole Mewtwo's place more than Greninja did.

Also, on characters - Pac Man does not deserve a spot on the Smash Bros roster. Being a well known video game character should not give him an advantage, he has less to do with Nintendo than Snake did. Spending time on creating a moveset and balancing him would be better spent on someone else.

 

[LancerStaff]

Woulda rather had PKMN trainer, faults and all, then Charizard.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Woulda rather had PKMN trainer, faults and all, then Charizard.

This. I mained PT in Brawl, and losing the unique Squirtle and Ivysaur for the much less interesting Charizard really bums me out. I mean, PT is the closest thing we have to the main character of Pokémon. He should be playable.

I'll say it while it's fresh.
Unpopular opinion: The character reveals were the only bad part about the Direct. I do not like Greninja or Charizard. Never have. Never will.

 

[The Real Gamer]

This. I mained PT in Brawl, and losing the unique Squirtle and Ivysaur for the much less interesting Charizard really bums me out. I mean, PT is the closest thing we have to the main character of Pokémon. He should be playable.

I'm the opposite... As a PT main I loved him because Zard has always been my favorite Pokemon of all time.

I really do feel bad for the Red/Ivy/Squirtle fans though. :\

With that being said... UNPOPULAR OPINIONS pertaining to the direct:

- The more I think about it the more I dislike the idea of customizable movesets.
- Sakurai is going too far with the Ridley trolling and owes us an apology for the insane amount of teasing he has put us through.
- I'm disappointed that the 3DS version will be releasing before the Wii U one.

 

[Rockaphin]

I'm the opposite... As a PT main I loved him because Zard has always been my favorite Pokemon of all time.

I really do feel bad for the Red/Ivy/Squirtle fans though. :\

I agree, I really liked the other two though.

Unpopular opinions:

• I'm really surprised that the 3DS version is coming out in Summer as well as releasing before the Wii U version.
• Pokémon Trainer was my main, and I'm heated that he's gone. But I sorta like that Charizard is a solo character.
• I think removing transformations is a bad idea. . .

 

[mimgrim]

The Greninja reveal was absolutely fantastic. I laughed my ass off. Such trollage. Good job Sakurai.

I think it was a good thing P Trainer is most likely going to be cute due to lack of transformations mid battle. He was tied to some really stupid gimmicks. It also makes sense for Charizard to be the one to come back solo, considering his massive popularity.

The removal of transformations was a fantastic idea, while I'm at it. It gives Zelda a chance to be better and become more of her own character and vice versa. Sheik no longer has to have a mostly useall Dspecial anymore, only reason to use it before was to recover with Zelda due to Sheik's lackluster recovery. Samus is no longer forced to switch meaning people don't have to use 2 characters anymore.

Olimar shouldn't have been restricted to just 3 Pikmin. That was just unnecessary. He should be able to have at least 5, ideally 6 though.

I'm unsure on how I feel about ZSS' new design. I think it's the jet boots mainly that I dislike.

Those are the only possible unpopular opinions I can think of regarding the direct. Everything else is probably more or less popular.

 

[SomewhatMystia]

I'm unsure on how I feel about ZSS' new design. I think it's the jet boots mainly that I dislike.

I think I'd like the boots more if they weren't some blinding yellow/green mix that clashes with her blue (and a tiny amount of purple on the back) color scheme.

 

[mimgrim]

I think I'd like the boots more if they weren't some blinding yellow/green mix that clashes with her blue (and a tiny amount of purple on the back) color scheme.

I dislike the high-heel part of them. :/

 

[ScottyWK]

Here are some more of my many unpopular opinions:

• I don't hate Mii's and wouldn't mind their inclusion, but I don't really want them.
• I'd prefer Medusa over Palutena. I think Palutena is a little overrated.
• I don't like the fact that Jigglypuff seems to get a "free ride" because she's one of the original twelve. I think she was highly undeserving in the first place.
• The Mario RPG's are horrendously underrepresented.
  
• I actually didn't care for Snake in the beginning.
• I think Pac-Man would be a decent addition.
• I hate the Temple in Basic Brawl online.
• I hated the WFT at first but now I accept her and think she somewhat deserved a spot. She still seems like a very boring character IMO. . .
• I wished the Poltergust was part of Luigi's moveset to further differentiate him from Mario, but I'm glad to see it in. His previous Final Smash was. . . Ugh.
• I would like to see a lot more music options.
• If Toon Link received more elements from Windwaker like the Deku Leaf for example, I'd accept his inclusion.
• Where is Bowser's Castle?
• I want Mario's moveset "revamped".

Not as unpopular as you think - I agree with 80% of your stuff

 

[shinhed-echi]

Looks like from what I'm reading in this page alone, this might be more on the popular side, but...

I REALLY hated Charizard solo. I hate the idea. I loved maining PT, and although I'm not losing any sleep for this terrible decision, It's sad to be abruptly separated from PT and never given a proper chance without the horrible stamina gimmick.

I only pray that we get a reworked Pokemon Trainer with a mechanic that consists of pokemon attacks similar to Zelda's new Down+B.

(Seriously, attatch a Pokeball to Zelda's hand in her Down+B animation, and it looks EXACTLY like what I would want PT to be all about!)

 

[Empyrean]

I'm glad that transformations are not back.

I actually like the new ZSS design, even though I was "wait....wtf?" at first.

I'm not too sure if Sheik's needles being replaced was a smart move, but I'll have to wait and see to draw any conclusions.

I find the fact that all stages have a FD mode now hilarious, it's like the guy just did a quick search, found the Fox only, FD meme and brought it to a whole new level. Truth is, some characters will suck bigtime with no platforms around, especially against the likes of projectile-heavy chars like Megaman.

 

[Kenith]

I'm glad that transformations are not back.

I actually like the new ZSS design, even though I was "wait....wtf?" at first.

I'm not too sure if Sheik's needles being replaced was a smart move, but I'll have to wait and see to draw any conclusions.

I find the fact that all stages have a FD mode now hilarious, it's like the guy just did a quick search, found the Fox only, FD meme and brought it to a whole new level. Truth is, some characters will suck bigtime with no platforms around, especially against the likes of projectile-heavy chars like Megaman.

All of this, pretty much exactly what I was about to say.

 

[Pippin (Peregrin Took)]

In light of last night's direct...

Greninja would've been acceptable on ssf2 or ssbc, but I'm not entirely comfortable with him as a fighter in the official game. There's a difference between official and fan games in some aspects - not that one or the other is better, they're just different - and what kind of characters get in is one of them. Official should appeal to the mainstream and fan games can focus on the eccentric.

 

[Weedy Spyze]

Greninja's inclusion threw me for a loop, never expected him but thinking about it he makes sense. I've always liked him/considered the best starter out of the past few generations and his style looks unique for Smash and fun to play as. With his inclusion and Lucario/Charizard getting their mega forms, the Pokemon representatives are looking pretty sweet for this game.

Charizard going solo is superb for me, if Squirtle/Ivysaur don't come back it wouldn't bother me a lick. Squirtle's always been overrated (as in general and I've been saying this since 1998) and Ivysaur just wasn't fun to play as. Charizard wasn't either but I'm excited for him nonetheless because I'm a Charizard fanboy and I'm not ashamed to admit it lol. Anyway, I really couldn't care less about Mewtwo either, but if he makes it in so be it. It's really just a whatever thing for me.

 

[Weedy Spyze]

Official should appeal to the mainstream and fan games can focus on the eccentric.

What can be more mainstream than the most recent game in the franchise?

 

[Smash G]

Speculative (un?)popular opinion...

I hate the "cloney" characters. Even ones that are not really clones but obviously highly influenced by others or not really unique (think Wolf and his B-Specials and Falco). None have been revealed thus far. I just don't like them. A lot of the time they really deserve a more unique movepool. Ganondorf should NOT be a clone of Captain Falcon and the differences made with him in Brawl were not nearly enough to my eyes. Falco should die since he's just Fox with different stats. Etc etc.
I hope they're not in Smash 4/5. If they are I hope they have more unique looks to their movepools. Ganondorf for example has so much to draw from but they don't use it! Give him his sword or his staff. Give him a projectile that is powerful but can be reflected by any smash attack. Give him UNIQUENESS!

Dunno how unpopular or popular that is. I know there's defenders of clone characters (and what I call Psuedo-Clones like Wolf who needs unique B-Special moves). But I hate them and will hate them forever. They feel cheap.

 

[Waluridleykryrool]

I am truly hoping with every fiber of my being that jigglypuff is gone this time around, and this is coming for a rabid pokemon fan by the way. Sorry but I just have nothing but animosity toward the thing in smash

 

[Malcolm Belmont]

I am meh towards K K Rool and Ridley

 

[mimgrim]

I'm not too sure if Sheik's needles being replaced was a smart move, but I'll have to wait and see to draw any conclusions.

I thought her whipped was replace? She was given a new Dspecial. And then her Sspecial was changed. At least that's what I remember seeing.