Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

[Purple]

I guess i'll explain my reasonings of my posts. I come from Epic Mafia, which is generally played by use of power roles. Not much actual conversation happens and everything is based by night actions. Roles are usually known by D1 depending on the setup (hence why i wanted to know if there were roles that can potentially protect each other, we could use them to get a few mafia/cleared town)

My FoS on you i feel was out of line upon reading your massacre of my posts. I was just intimidated by the picking apart of other posts and felt it was a press toward finding scum too fast more than it was just reading into people. So I apologize for that.

I had an FoS written up of someone else but it's gone now, i will write it again soon.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

@Mod, votecount please?

Not liking Roxy at all, but who I really want to hear now is one of the lurkers:
Moronik (Marshy/Ronike hydra) replaces Bunglefever
Pierre the Scarecrow (mr disappear)
Macman
ChiboSempai
Ryker
Scamp
The Paprika Killer
Fatchu (mr stopped mafia?)

egad thats pretty much everyone! So guys, what do you think about Gheb vs Nick? TvT? TvS? SvS? Why? What do you guys think about Roxy? Anything strange in EE's case?

 

[Purple]

Well Xonar, what do i need to explain in more detail for you?

 

[Evil Eye]

I had an FoS written up of someone else but it's gone now, i will write it again soon.

I'm wringing my hands in anticipation.

 

[KevinM]

Man, Evil Eye doesn't post often, but when he does... Anyway, Gheb can wait until D2. My case doesn't hold a candle to EE's...

Unvote:
Vote: Roxy

Really grimy post.

 

[Virgilijus]

@Mod, votecount please?

Not liking Roxy at all, but who I really want to hear now is one of the lurkers:
Moronik (Marshy/Ronike hydra) replaces Bunglefever
Pierre the Scarecrow (mr disappear)
Macman
ChiboSempai
Ryker
Scamp
The Paprika Killer
Fatchu (mr stopped mafia?)

egad thats pretty much everyone! So guys, what do you think about Gheb vs Nick? TvT? TvS? SvS? Why? What do you guys think about Roxy? Anything strange in EE's case?

I still don't like Chibo. All the other null posters have gathered my suspicion, but without post I can't base it on much.

Gheb v Nick could be TvT, but I wouldn't be surprised if one were scum (though I don't know which way I'd lean). EE presented a decent case for Roxy, but I'm still more suspicious of Chibo at the moment.

 

[Rockin]

So you're already sure that Roxy is mafia or what? That's a bit hasty in my book - not only do you label him as mafia already but you're also sure that there's a bus? Not saying that it's impossible but it seems to me like you jump the gun. Especially since (s)he currently has only 3 votes which isn't that much when it takes 15 for a lynch. Nothing against a little wagon.

She just seems a bit scummy in my book. Most of her posts seem unhelpful as well.

It just feels like the exact same thing I went through in Monster Mafia. There was someone royally pushing hard on a mafia member/obvious person who's scummy really early in the game.

I feel we should talk a bit more about other potiential lynches, so as to broaden our pick better and not just straight go after Roxy D1.

I guess i'll explain my reasonings of my posts. I come from Epic Mafia, which is generally played by use of power roles. Not much actual conversation happens and everything is based by night actions. Roles are usually known by D1 depending on the setup (hence why i wanted to know if there were roles that can potentially protect each other, we could use them to get a few mafia/cleared town)

My FoS on you i feel was out of line upon reading your massacre of my posts. I was just intimidated by the picking apart of other posts and felt it was a press toward finding scum too fast more than it was just reading into people. So I apologize for that.

I had an FoS written up of someone else but it's gone now, i will write it again soon.

Had this been told by us earlier, I probably wouldn't have minded at all. However, you telling this late when several people have votes on you, as well as a person making a case on you.....eh. Bad timing is bad. Remembering some of your early posts, it makes sense, but I'm not going to easily look this over so easily.

You're going to have to contribute as best as possible from here on out, less you want to be lynched >>

 

[Scamp]

Xonar, if that's your list of lurkers, how in the world are YOU not on that list.

You really haven't given an opinion in a really long time. All you've done is quote then ask some question. You haven't voted....well I can understand that one, but you haven't really done anything otherwise. You're like the psychiatrist sitting in the middle of a discussion circle, probing questions to lead on discussion without getting yourself involved at all.

 

[Ronike]

Don't like Chibo or Pierre at this point, especially since both seem to have faded into the background thanks to the case on Roxy, Pierre especially.

Roxy just feels intimidated newbie to me. Epic Mafia experience helps explain it, that being said, he's still scummy, just potentially not the play today. In my opinion at least.

Hey Mac, ever feel like playing mafia again? Cause you seem to have stopped a few games ago...

EE, I like your posts. However, midway through the christmas post, you say lynching Roxy could be good for his flip, which would be telling of Pierre. You then proceed to give examples of why said flip could indicate Pierre being town or scum. Kind of a null point then, don't you think? And yet it was one of your major points. Hmm...

Gheb v Nick spiraled out of proportion I think, no thanks to Gheb being overly emotional. Chill man (man is he gonna hate me for this post...)

Ryker, please learn to play. Kevin isn't always scummy, you don't always have to place a vote on me, and it is actually possible to post once a day. Could you at least aim for once every two days? Kthx.

Unvote Vote: Pierre

Cause I feel the Roxy wagon doesnt need our vote and Pierre has disappeared. Maybe he'll come back.

These are just my thoughts BTW, haven't talked to Marshy at all.

Dammit, supposed to be on hydra... Delete plz marshy?

 

[Moronik]

Don't like Chibo or Pierre at this point, especially since both seem to have faded into the background thanks to the case on Roxy, Pierre especially.

Roxy just feels intimidated newbie to me. Epic Mafia experience helps explain it, that being said, he's still scummy, just potentially not the play today. In my opinion at least.

Hey Mac, ever feel like playing mafia again? Cause you seem to have stopped a few games ago...

EE, I like your posts. However, midway through the christmas post, you say lynching Roxy could be good for his flip, which would be telling of Pierre. You then proceed to give examples of why said flip could indicate Pierre being town or scum. Kind of a null point then, don't you think? And yet it was one of your major points. Hmm...

Gheb v Nick spiraled out of proportion I think, no thanks to Gheb being overly emotional. Chill man (man is he gonna hate me for this post...)

Ryker, please learn to play. Kevin isn't always scummy, you don't always have to place a vote on me, and it is actually possible to post once a day. Could you at least aim for once every two days? Kthx.

Unvote Vote: Pierre

Cause I feel the Roxy wagon doesnt need our vote and Pierre has disappeared. Maybe he'll come back.

These are just my thoughts BTW, haven't talked to Marshy at all.

 

[Kirby King]

Day 1 Vote Count
Roxy (3): Evil Eye, ChiboSempai, Nicholas1024
Ryker (2): Fatchu, Macman
Rockin (1): Ryker
Nicholas1024 (1): Scamp
ChiboSempai (1): Virgilijus
Macman (1): KevinM
Pierre the Scarecrow (1): Moronik

Not voting: Pierre the Scarecrow, Gheb_01/Xonar, The Paprika Killer, Roxy, Rockin

It takes 8 out of 15 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, March 14 at 11:59:59 PM ET.

 

[Evil Eye]

you say lynching Roxy could be good for his flip, which would be telling of Pierre.

Well, I said it could be telling. Honestly, it's stupid and cocky to try to look forward like you have a crystal ball. I see new and/or raw players do this to extemes all the time, and I facepalm off into the sunset every time. Until the mod gives you the flip, I think you shouldn't blow too much time on what-if's that you're ultimately going to end up coming back to, but it doesn't hurt to mark a reference point. That was my only real intention, which is why it wasn't on my summary of my major points at the end.

Still on Roxy, and still waiting for that fresh FoS we've been promised.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Xonar, if that's your list of lurkers, how in the world are YOU not on that list.

You really haven't given an opinion in a really long time. All you've done is quote then ask some question. You haven't voted....well I can understand that one, but you haven't really done anything otherwise. You're like the psychiatrist sitting in the middle of a discussion circle, probing questions to lead on discussion without getting yourself involved at all.

Srsly this post is OMGUS + void talk. Do something. Maybe answer my questions?

@mod: is the voting hydra not on the votecount an error?

 

[Kirby King]

Don't delete posts. I can delete them myself. If I want to delete a post, I will delete it.

@Xonar yeah that's a mistake, let me fix it

 

[Purple]

Don't like Chibo or Pierre at this point, especially since both seem to have faded into the background thanks to the case on Roxy, Pierre especially.

I don't think it's something you should force. Chibo came in and responded about why he didn't feel good about me, Then again my posts were easy reads; Easy to bandwagon..

 

[CT Chia]

My problem with starting off games like this is the amount of players, I find it harder to get good reads when there's 16 people going back and forth.

I realize that it's not good for me to fade off, and I never like being inactive in games, it's just that its kind of tough to keep track which is why I've only been commenting on the main scumtells that stick out to me until I can get a better grasp on everything probably in day 2.

 

[Purple]

Well, my FoS is Macman, anyone who has been reading his posts can clearly see that he's not helping town in any way. (granted, neither am i, but thats just because questions were generally idiotic..). The only question i've seen him ask was in relation to himself, not town in general.

So my question is Macman, how are you going to help town instead of just adding a vote to every good player's vote?

 

[Scamp]

Srsly this post is OMGUS + void talk. Do something. Maybe answer my questions?

It's really not. I'm trying to say that I'd like an opinion out of you sometime and not just you shouting "do something" at everyone who you think isn't doing something.

 

[Purple]

My problem with starting off games like this is the amount of players, I find it harder to get good reads when there's 16 people going back and forth.

I realize that it's not good for me to fade off, and I never like being inactive in games, it's just that its kind of tough to keep track which is why I've only been commenting on the main scumtells that stick out to me until I can get a better grasp on everything probably in day 2.

I actually whole-heartedly agree with this message. I never enjoyed big groups like this, but i'm sure i'll get over it.

 

[Moronik]

why so much johning chibo? you seemed fine in tourney mafia

scamp youre still happy with your nick vote? even after his exchange with gheb?

xonar how are you going to accuse of us lurking we just posted like yesterday

i wanna switch our vote back to roxy >: (

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Sorry Moronik I just haven't seen you post a lot

 

[Moronik]

No. No switching our vote back. Bad Marshy!

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Aka my fault

 

[Moronik]

Xonar, we JUST replaced in...

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I know right, I wasn't paying attention. Sorries.

 

[CT Chia]

why so much johning chibo? you seemed fine in tourney mafia

scamp youre still happy with your nick vote? even after his exchange with gheb?

xonar how are you going to accuse of us lurking we just posted like yesterday

i wanna switch our vote back to roxy >: (

I didn't post THAT much in day 1 of tourney sleepover, and even when I did, my mind was absent on like half of what was going on and I had to focus on smaller parts of it until day 3 which is when I was really active. Day 2 I worked myself into the game when I was forced to claim and did my plan to catch scum so once that happened I was able to make scum connections from Ronike, see other peoples reactions to what happened, etc.

A starting flip generally helps the ball get rollin' in bigger games like this. Not saying she should throw away our vote, but only focus on bigger scumtells instead of over analyzing little things like a lot of people do, especially since people are going to be paranoid and slip up more since if they do, they have more people than normal ready to pounce on them.

I'm keeping up with this game by all means, I just don't have as many comments as normal yet.

 

[Pierre the Scarecrow]

Hello, everyone. Regretfully I was very busy this weekend and wasn't able to read the thread. I will read it today. I want you all to know that I don't plan on being this busy often, and if you played Phoenix Wright or anything else with me you know that this happens sometimes... I don't plan to replace out but I also don't plan to continue this inactivity. Thanks for understanding.

 

[Scamp]

scamp youre still happy with your nick vote? even after his exchange with gheb?

I'm still happy with it in that I'm not totally convinced of his innocence and I want him to know that I've got my eye on him.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Sorry for the unexpected V/LA. I'm back and I'm reading.

Unvote because I think I have a Rockin vote sitting around and I don't know what's going on, atm.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker, I remember in LoDscrew, you was new to everyone's playstyles. Is this issue within this game?

Sort of, not nearly as much.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker, please learn to play. Kevin isn't always scummy, you don't always have to place a vote on me, and it is actually possible to post once a day. Could you at least aim for once every two days? Kthx.

Unfair shot. I'm generally active. Will get to why the rest is an unfair shot when I finish reading.

 

[Moronik]

I apologize for the not posting every day thing, but we didn't know you are V/LA, just thought you were lurking. You still need to stop universally tunneling on me and kev tho.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I was kidding in RvS with the voting you thing. The Kevin thing had a base, read below.

Anyway, what I was working on saying and never got around to was a take on KevinM. Hence why I think that was an unfair shot. He votes Bungle saying, "His posts feel off." Does he do that in every game or something? Because that's what he did in the last game I played with him where he was scum. Did not like it at all. However, that's a bit dated information because I found his later play helpful.

Roxy is a scary play to make and Ronike outlined it very well. I agree.

Don't like Vote: Macman. He's not done anything and I think I like my vote here the best so far.

Chibo I have no expirience with. Is he generally this way on Day 1? They're johns, but is the history legit? I'm hesitant to simply take his word on it.

Xonar is coasting. A lot. He has vote johns and I think he's using it as an excuse to coast. FoS: Xonar.

I think Gheb v. Nich is TvT, but if one of them were scum, I'd say Nich as opposed to Gheb like everyone else seems to. I think the argument is fruitless and Nich is arguing either for the sake of arguing or to distract people with said fruitless argument. Gheb calling it off seemed the right move, imo.

I'm hoping the number of lurkers will decrease with the end of the weekend and that will take a bit of the edge off this phase.

Now my turn to ask a couple questions.

Who did Virj replace?

@Kevin - Do you still feel uncomfortable about Moronik who replaced Bungle?

All I've got for now. I'm back.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

God, I need to put some empty lines before votes. For sake of convenience, I'll put it here.

Vote: Macman
FoS: Xonar

 

[Deleted member]

Ryker, I think Virg replaced gf2tw

@Mod, votecount please?

Not liking Roxy at all, but who I really want to hear now is one of the lurkers:
Moronik (Marshy/Ronike hydra) replaces Bunglefever
Pierre the Scarecrow (mr disappear)
Macman
ChiboSempai
Ryker
Scamp
The Paprika Killer
Fatchu (mr stopped mafia?)

egad thats pretty much everyone! So guys, what do you think about Gheb vs Nick? TvT? TvS? SvS? Why? What do you guys think about Roxy? Anything strange in EE's case?

how about you answer these questions yourself first, hmm?
posing questions is always easier than actually answering them.
(to prevent myself being a hypocrite I will answer above posed questions)

I think Gheb v Nick is TvT, but if it was TvS, I'd say Gheb was scum. Why? simple. at some point (quite near then end) Gheb said he wasn't gonna place a vote on Nick because this was supposedly typical Town behaviour for Nick. Then I raise an eyebrow and ask, why didn't you say so earlier and stopped caring about it? why did you have to continue to say Nick was being wrong?

about Roxy, it indeed seems she's feigning activity (not necessarily usefulness), but I'm not totatlly convinced her being scum just yet.
EE made his point perfectly clear.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@TPK

Being wrong is typically a town-tell for Nick.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Gheb vs Nick is TvT imo. Nick is just doing his typical thing and so is Gheb, I haven't seen any suspicious comments from both, and Gheb calling it off was the right course of actions. Roxy is... unhelpful to say the least, but he's trying at least. I rather have someone talk than not talking at all.

 

[Moronik]

fos rockin
fos paprika killer
fos ryker

man why cant i be vig

id rather have our vote on roxy. i think youre more forgiving than me but i dont mind our pierre vote

/selfbuddying

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Gheb are you willing to vote an inactive in the hopes of more contribution? If so, who would you like to hear more from? Personally I'd like TPK to speak up as he's decent in dutch mafias, so would you mind if we'd lay our vote on him?

 

[Deleted member]

@TPK

Being wrong is typically a town-tell for Nick.

that was basically my point. couldn't you have left it at that earlier?

Xonar go ahead. I don't get pressured by votes that are just for preassure and aren't based on any further serious point.