Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

[~ Gheb ~]

Are you guys willing to lynch the most anti-town player if we find no scum candidates?

Where's the difference?

 

[Deleted member]

I think he means "most useless townie".

 

[Rockin]

Chibo I have no expirience with. Is he generally this way on Day 1? They're johns, but is the history legit? I'm hesitant to simply take his word on it.

In some sense, yes. However, this isn't much of a good john cause he knew first hand of how many people were going to be in the game. Chibo needs to step it up a bit. No number johns. >>

Fos: Evil Eye

I know I havn't been taking much of a stand/voting, but I'm unsure of who to vote on. I don't want to vote on Roxy only cause it seems a bit too easy and, said before, am sensing a bus. Everyone else doesn't seem really scummy (yet I do see a few people unhelpful) and I'm doing my best to avoid voting the unhelpful (cause I rather lynch a anti-town player).

I feel uneasy about EE right now, as well as Roxy.

Xonar hasn't really been doing too much. Either he's parroting or not doing a lot. Even if I felt the need to vote for him, I'm not sure of what would happen to Gheb (and I rather want Gheb around right now, since he seems more helpful then Xonar).

I guess I wouldn't mind ridding Chibo if it ever comes down to it.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I know I havn't been taking much of a stand/voting, but I'm unsure of who to vote on. I don't want to vote on Roxy only cause it seems a bit too easy and, said before, am sensing a bus. Everyone else doesn't seem really scummy (yet I do see a few people unhelpful) and I'm doing my best to avoid voting the unhelpful (cause I rather lynch a anti-town player).

Xonar hasn't really been doing too much. Either he's parroting or not doing a lot. Even if I felt the need to vote for him, I'm not sure of what would happen to Gheb (and I rather want Gheb around right now, since he seems more helpful then Xonar).

I guess I wouldn't mind ridding Chibo if it ever comes down to it.

Unhelpful is the same as anti-town.

Point out my parrots without me actually giving an opinion that I formed of my own?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

unvote, vote: chibo

really would like him or ryker/roxy

 

[Rockin]

Unhelpful is the same as anti-town.

Point out my parrots without me actually giving an opinion that I formed of my own?

Always saw the thing between anti town and unhelpful different

- Unhelpful
not contributing
Not co-operating with other players (such as either being inactive or coasting
Being inactive/coasting


- anti town
Talking in a scummy manner
Voting on town/semi obvious town player
Being active at one point
Playing differently then usual town play

Not sure how others read off 'unhelpful' and anti-town, but this is how I see it

Gheb vs Nick is TvT imo. Nick is just doing his typical thing and so is Gheb, I haven't seen any suspicious comments from both, and Gheb calling it off was the right course of actions. Roxy is... unhelpful to say the least, but he's trying at least. I rather have someone talk than not talking at all.

This is the only one I've seen thus far of you parroting.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Anti-town is just generally not helping town. If that's by lurking or being confusing, it doesn't matter. Scummy =anti town. Anti town =/= scummy.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Scummy doesn't have to equal anti town. Bussing is scummy but voting for scum isn't antitown.

 

[CT Chia]

Are you guys willing to lynch the most anti-town player if we find no scum candidates? Who do you think is the most anti-town atm, and would you be willing to lynch that person right now if the deadline was moved cuz of shenanigans?

This is by all means reasonable. With this many people to get quality scumhunting going soon and to be able to keep a good eye on lurkers/inactives we need to get the numbers in the game down a little bit. At least two people are gonna drop by tomorrow, one from scum and one from town. Well, we could no lynch, but we might as well build a better town for the next day and use the flip to our advantage as knowledge.

What would you consider to be the most anti-town trait?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Chibo's last post is looking extremely fake to me. Xonar also kind of reminds me of Monster Island Mafia.

Unvote Vote Chibo

Wagon time.

(Xonar don't hop off this time! )

 

[Fatchu]

Sorry I forgot to let you know I was going on vacation, I had let the werewolf mod but not you, that is my bad.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Sorry I forgot to let you know I was going on vacation, I had let the werewolf mod but not you, that is my bad.

Wow, he's alive. Would have been nice to know you were gone though.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What would you consider to be the most anti-town trait?

Misleading.

Xonar also kind of reminds me of Monster Island Mafia.

Could be. That game I actually wanted to be active, and I took the same incentive for this one.

 

[Kirby King]

Day 1 Vote Count
ChiboSempai (3): Virgilijus, Macman, Gheb_01/Xonar
Ryker (1): Fatchu
Nicholas1024 (1): Scamp
Roxy (1): ChiboSempai
Macman (1): KevinM
Pierre the Scarecrow (1): Moronik
Xonar (1): Ryker

Not voting: Pierre the Scarecrow, Nicholas1024, The Paprika Killer, Roxy, Evil Eye, Rockin

It takes 8 out of 15 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, March 14 at 11:59:59 PM ET.

 

[Evil Eye]

Wow. Chibo waits that long to talk and offers up such a generic pile of crap stitched together by old mafia saws you'd think it came off a conveyor belt at a factory that mass produces generic piles of crap.

Vote: Chibo

 

[Moronik]

It would be nice to be friends for a change but first I have to feel comfortable that you're on the town's side, and right now I can't be sure.

youll come around

ronike i think our vote is dumb and that pierres just inactive and not lurking. he hasnt updated his game. plus look a wagon

unvote vote chiboscumpai

 

[CT Chia]

Wow. Chibo waits that long to talk and offers up such a generic pile of crap stitched together by old mafia saws you'd think it came off a conveyor belt at a factory that mass produces generic piles of crap.

Vote: Chibo

Do you actually have a scumtell or do you just not like me?

 

[Evil Eye]

Return of the Ghost of Christmas Past:

I know I havn't been taking much of a stand/voting, but I'm unsure of who to vote on. I don't want to vote on Roxy only cause it seems a bit too easy and, said before, am sensing a bus. Everyone else doesn't seem really scummy (yet I do see a few people unhelpful) and I'm doing my best to avoid voting the unhelpful (cause I rather lynch a anti-town player).

I feel uneasy about EE right now, as well as Roxy.

Rather than using flashwords to discredit the course of action, please elaborate on what you mean by "too easy". Go into as much detail as you can.

Here you say you're sensing a bus, which means you are sensing that Roxy is mafia and that one or more other mafiats are trying to put him/her in the ground. This isn't even a bad thing, since dead scum is still dead scum, by the way.

This contradicts what most people would mean by "it seems to easy", in that they're playing the "it seems so right it's gotta be wrong" card. Like, it's a complete and utter contradiction. Roxy can't be sloppy, scummy town and be scum at the same time.

You said no one else seems scummy, and yet I make you uneasy? Also a contradiction.

Further confusion with your expressing "uneasiness" about Roxy. You took basically every possible Roxy-related stance at once with that post. Needless to say I'm not too bothered by your FoS, so I'm just going to pat you on the head in a condescending manner.




MORE CHRISTMAS!


PIERRE THE SCARECROW I have not forgotten that you're in this game. For pulling the old "I'm back, will talk" and not, you're on the Naughty List.

FATCHU you are on the Naughty List. Start giving us thoughts, because you literally haven't said anything since RVS applicable to the game.

ROXY I haven't forgotten about you, now. Keep talking. You have a lot to make up for if you don't want a lump of coal.

 

[Evil Eye]

Do you actually have a scumtell or do you just not like me?

This feels like a limp AtE smokescreen. You know I like you, we're collaborated on many LoD memes and talked on skype and such. As such this looks, smells, and tastes evasive. That's three outta five, pal, you're being evasive.

There was nothing dumb about your post. Just the opposite, my issue was that it was a bunch of mafia truisms that everybody knows, contorted to look like relevant contribution to the discussions at hand. After how long we've been waiting, it's a pile of crap. And it's scummy. You managed to type a bunch of words and say absolutely nothing.

My suspicions are heightened by the fact that the only time you can be counted on to have multiple posts in any kind of frequency is when people are on you, such as right now. Meanwhile you continue to barf up fluff and expect us to stand for it.

 

[KevinM]

Unvote Vote Rockin

Disagree with the Chibo wagon, just getting dumb town from him.

 

[Moronik]

Marshy, chill out bro, we don't need to just hop on a wagon cause its there... yeesh...

That being said, Rockin wagon? Way cooler than Chibo wagon.

Unvote Vote: Rockin

Step it up man, I mean for god's sake, I feel like I'm playin with a noob here. Its day 1 and you're scared to put a vote down? For ****'s sake....

 

[Rockin]

Rather than using flashwords to discredit the course of action, please elaborate on what you mean by "too easy". Go into as much detail as you can.

It's just that: Too easy for a lynch to just be mafia. I feel that Roxy has been attracting a lot of attention very quick. I feel that Mafia wants to try and avoid negative attraction to one's self.

You said no one else seems scummy, and yet I make you uneasy? Also a contradiction.

Further confusion with your expressing "uneasiness" about Roxy. You took basically every possible Roxy-related stance at once with that post. Needless to say I'm not too bothered by your FoS, so I'm just going to pat you on the head in a condescending manner.

I didn't like how you went a bit hard on Roxy, making a case against him, then awaiting the Fos to soon dropping the said vote off him. Why? 'Cause I play Epic Mafia, and that's a legit excuse.' I feel that a Town EE would press hard onto a scummy matter and would be satisfied with the vote till something huge comes up that changes his mind (be it a claim or something else). So with that said:

Vote: Evil Eye

 

[Evil Eye]

ScumEE is just as capable, if not moreso, of being obstinate. Obstinacy to the point of disregarding a defence before I hear it is something that bit me in the *** as town once, so I tried from then on to actually wait for a defence to see if it clicks. This one did, and it wasn't nearly as overly simplified as you're trying to portray it. Especially since I haven't dropped all suspicion of Roxy, either -- I just don't want him/her dead immediately, anymore.

By the way, nice job responding to only two out of three points. Especially ignoring the one about your own inconsistency, which is only heightened by this recent post where you said, verbatim, that Roxy is "[t]oo easy for a lynch to just be mafia." Yet you're sensing a bus? Which is it, Rockin?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "EE isn't being unreasonable enough to be town" is the stupidest accusation I've ever had to fight on this site, and the fact that this is the first time it has come up while I'm town only heightens and underlines what a dumb basis for attack it really is.

Not that this is even a valid point in terms of the precedent you've seen. Remember when Tom and I had you cornered in TLI and let up because your defence made sense? Yeah. I was town there too, by the way.


Still disliking Chibo more, but I guess it's time to mull on the ol' "dumb or scum" paradox with Rockin.

 

[Rockin]

By the way, nice job responding to only two out of three points. Especially ignoring the one about your own inconsistency, which is only heightened by this recent post where you said, verbatim, that Roxy is "[t]oo easy for a lynch to just be mafia." Yet you're sensing a bus? Which is it, Rockin?

The 2nd paragraph didn't looked like a direct question to me. It just seemed like you was making a statement, and not something you wanted me to question.

I feel that Roxy is a maf being bused. I feel it'd be too easy for us to catch a maf that attracted negative attention, so the mindset I have is Roxy being bussed by a maf.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "EE isn't being unreasonable enough to be town" is the stupidest accusation I've ever had to fight on this site, and the fact that this is the first time it has come up while I'm town only heightens and underlines what a dumb basis for attack it really is.

Not that this is even a valid point in terms of the precedent you've seen. Remember when Tom and I had you cornered in TLI and let up because your defence made sense? Yeah. I was town there too, by the way.

I also remember having a legitimate reason in that game. I wasn't stating my current skills or my way of tracking down mafia. I was explaining a situation, something that is different from something that is being typed down/being vocal. Roxy's situation is different then mine by more then one reason. Her situation is something in terms of attracting negative attention to one's self. It's something that shouldn't be taken as lightly as a situation, especially if it's a situation like 'I played too much Epic Mafia.' I recall modding a game in Tourny sleepover where the maf godfather used the 'I played epic mafia' to avoid some suspicion off of Mentos and a few others.

Like I said, the only thing I found wrong with you is that you let the 'Epic Mafia' excuse slide (at least, that's what I'm seeing when you unvoted).

 

[Evil Eye]

If you're 100% positive Roxy is a mafiat being bussed, then FoS on you, because if you by your own admission have only one thing against the person you're voting for, yet are voting for the against the person you are completely convinced is mafia... yeah, something's very not right.

Because you're saying "I think this person is mafia for sure, so I'm voting for this person I'm suspicious of." From your own point of view, you are choosing to not vote for a mafiat.

Epic Mafia johns are not always just that. And yet again, it wasn't just "I play Epic Mafia too". I'm disappointed you're forcing me to spell this out, as this kind of tangential discussion basically just creates bagged lunches of defences for mafiats on the block. In fact, come to think of it, I'm not going to spell it out for that exact reason. The point is that the defence made enough sense to me to water down my positivity of guilt. Not enough to assume innocence.

Situation vs things you said is irrelevant. The point of my comparison is that this "townEE notices something and never lets go ever ever unless something major comes up" nonsense is false, and it's the only real point you've made. To use your own words, your "situation" was still a "scummy matter", and yet I relented in TLI. And I'm relenting here.

I have nothing more to say. The jury's still out on dumb or scum.

 

[Evil Eye]

In fact, I would say pointing out a potential bus before it happens is staunchly antitown. Scummy, even. What benefit is there to playing with hypotheticals like that before they're concrete? Analyzing bussing works best, y'know, after you know it was a bus.

A protown mind would just keep watching the wagon and try to catch scum. And it certainly isn't a valid reason to stop a freaking lynch, if you're so sure of the guilt.

Not liking this at all...

 

[CT Chia]

This feels like a limp AtE smokescreen. You know I like you, we're collaborated on many LoD memes and talked on skype and such. As such this looks, smells, and tastes evasive. That's three outta five, pal, you're being evasive.

There was nothing dumb about your post. Just the opposite, my issue was that it was a bunch of mafia truisms that everybody knows, contorted to look like relevant contribution to the discussions at hand. After how long we've been waiting, it's a pile of crap. And it's scummy. You managed to type a bunch of words and say absolutely nothing.

My suspicions are heightened by the fact that the only time you can be counted on to have multiple posts in any kind of frequency is when people are on you, such as right now. Meanwhile you continue to barf up fluff and expect us to stand for it.

Wasn't an AtE at all directly, it was more to just get a more... standard I guess explanation for the vote. Meanwhile, saying it in the friendly tone was more to try and see how others reacted to it, though I did get this from your reply.

Though I personally disagree with your thoughts on my post, I can see your stance behind it. On the other hand I simply answered someone elses question, and responded with my own on the same topic. Nothing wrong with that is there?

 

[CT Chia]

I don't really understand the points of a wagon. At least from what I find them to be, I find them to be unnecessary votes placed on someone to pressure them into potentially slipping up or revealing something. There are some times however they can work, but not commonly like most dGamers treat it. I potentially like them as a good way to start the game.

Contrary to a wagon without a purpose and more just for pressure would just be an accumulation of votes from a scumtell which is a very legitimate act imo. What's a better route than to take someone we find scummy and force the scum outta em? Piling votes onto someone without a base is going to end up in scum quick hammers, PRs getting outted, etc. This is why I pretty much forced EE to further explain why he was voting me, to see his legit reason, or lack there of.

Now keeping this in mind, Moronik - would you mind giving some more insight on your vote on Rockin? More than calling him a noob for not voting that is.

 

[Evil Eye]

What took that post, and still takes that post on rereading it, from "bad vibrations" to "make it dead oh my god" territory is not just what I pointed out, but one important point.

On the other hand I simply answered someone elses question, and responded with my own on the same topic. Nothing wrong with that is there?

Not at all, but you evaded the most important questions in the post, the ones that would force someone to actually provide an opinion on something.

Who do you think is the most anti-town atm, and would you be willing to lynch that person right now if the deadline was moved cuz of shenanigans?

Find me those answers in your post. I don't see 'em.


Find me

 

[Evil Eye]

Ugh ninja'd.

 

[CT Chia]

Rockin, I too would like to know why you're voting EE instead of Rockin. Even though EE already said it, perhaps it's better to hear it from someone that isn't potentially trying to get your vote off of him.

Your idea comes in two parts:
-Roxy is scum
-EE is scum busing him

Now out of the two, which is more likely to be true? If you're focusing your scumtell on EE by him bussing Roxy, then that means the first statement has to be true or your theory falls apart. On the contrary it's possible for Roxy to be scum and and EE not to be. Also note there are other people on Roxy such as me. Statistically speaking, not to mention following thoughts of others, it would make a lot more sense to vote Roxy over EE.

Not saying it's a scum tell on Rockin for voting EE over Roxy with his explanation, it's a null tell more with him just tryin' to be cool and not doing what is actually beneficial.

 

[Purple]

Rockin, you could say my posts are very obvious. While everyone is barely giving any information and merely wagoning EEtown's post. Mine are quite obvious what i want to know. Xonar has said himself that the information could deem helpful to town, it's just that we're also feeding information to mafia as well.

Are my posts really that scum filled? I was going off of assumptions that the game mod would've make this setup bad for town in the sense that no one can protect one another. While mafia will get guaranteed kills on power roles, we can also get guaranteed information to base off of for many turns. That was my general view of it.

I really don't think i said too much that was scummy, except that EE ripped me apart. If anything the people who were so clear to be on me have just as much of a reason to be put on the spot. We all know this game is based off of wording by this point in the day, how much of you scum didn't bother catching it until EE posted it?

 

[Purple]

would've = wouldn't***

 

[Purple]

How is it beneficial to bandwagon with no information from the said lynch victim?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

we HAVE to lynch chibo

 

[CT Chia]

I see what you mean now EE, when I first made that post I should have edited out everything in Xonar's quote that I was not responding to. Since when was I required to answer everything? Xonar's post wasn't even targeted at me in the first place, so what if I didn't answer part of it? Go look at every person in the game who didn't answer it lol, there's tons.

It's not that I avoided it, it's simply that I didn't have an answer. I haven't been thinking from an anti-town perspective (as it's different from scummy). So while "no, I don't have a most anti-town player in mind, I would have to re-read and specifically think of that" (which makes the next part worthless) is an answer, it doesn't really add anything.

I said before while I am generally a tad low on the activity in day 1s on big games like this, I still like to add some input where I see that I can offer some well. I saw the first part of the question, though oooo I got something to add to that, and did.

 

[Purple]

Macman you just seem worthless

 

[Purple]

Wait a second.. have you tried to vote for every bandwagon so far Macman?

 

[CT Chia]

How is it beneficial to bandwagon with no information from the said lynch victim?

I don't really understand the points of a wagon. At least from what I find them to be, I find them to be unnecessary votes placed on someone to pressure them into potentially slipping up or revealing something. There are some times however they can work, but not commonly like most dGamers treat it. I potentially like them as a good way to start the game.

Contrary to a wagon without a purpose and more just for pressure would just be an accumulation of votes from a scumtell which is a very legitimate act imo. What's a better route than to take someone we find scummy and force the scum outta em? Piling votes onto someone without a base is going to end up in scum quick hammers, PRs getting outted, etc. This is why I pretty much forced EE to further explain why he was voting me, to see his legit reason, or lack there of.

Now keeping this in mind, Moronik - would you mind giving some more insight on your vote on Rockin? More than calling him a noob for not voting that is.

Really Roxy?

 

[Purple]

I literally posted that and THEN saw your message. That happens alot when you stare at a thread for hours Chibo.