Alrighty, it's not exactly a Christopher Nolan plot twist, but Roxy is my candidate for a big fat Day One death.
And you know what that means. Get a drink and a sandwich.
Tonight's episode of "EE wants this guy dead" is brought to you by Santa's North Pole workshop: Because Christmas colors are funnier out of season.
Ignoring Roxy's first post, as it was just a bewildering request to know the "basic roles" of the game, takes us to page three. A real man's page three, that is.
Ignoring the second post as well, which simply clarifies the first and says "k I got it now".
In P85, Pierre beseeches Roxy to axtually say something of substance.
The rather immiediate reply:
Generally, everyone is fishing at nothing, or sheeping into the votelink thing..
I personally don't feel that their link is important for now, but that looking for who is not helping towards a successful kill is.
But long story short, i don't have much against anyone except EE, which he can be pointing towards mafia or steering away from himself.
If you're going to invalidate all present lines of discussion, you should be saying why, rather than just throwing your hands up in the air and saying it's nothing. "Sheeping into the votelink thing" in particular could have done wit hsome elaboration.
Not only is this point so obvious it goes without saying -- making this sentence empty, vapid air -- it is ironically not helping us toward a successful kill. Because it accomplishes nothing.
I've gone over and over this point in my head. I'm hesitant to make claims about the scumminess of a point when it's directed at me, but this is flat-out scummy. Why? Because Roxy once again says absolutely nothing of value.
You can literally take every post in a mafia game, put them on a board, and throw a dart at it. Replace "EE" with the name of whoever made the post, and the point would still be valid. "They're either trying to lead us to a mafia ... OR STEERING AWAY FROM THEMSELF." You can say this about anyone saying anything at all.
Vapid nothingness, and not even a fair point or accusation with any kind of meat, because I could have happily gone on needling Fatchu if I actually wanted to avoid the spotlight, which was nowhere near me. It smells.
Within a minute, Roxy posts again to say this:
just an FoS though, nothing serious.
Don't read into my post or comment back or take it seriously! I just said it because someone told me to say something, I didn't mean it!
This smells, to me, like a mafiat cornered into saying something and going overly non-confrontational in their manner of doing so.
Next post asks me a question, which I ignored. I wanted to see what other people had to say in the matter, rather than offer up cooke-cutter opinions about a discussion I had started.
Immediately after, Roxy sees my medium-sized (not giant at all, or even the biggest in the game
) post:
also i apologize but i didn't get your post until just now.
I'm saying that you clearly made a point towards xonar/gheb_01 as potential scum. Which is fine. You could either be town pointing out potential scum, or scum pointing at the center of a conversation (xonar/gheb's role connection) to keep from conversation being at you.
Yet again with this weaksauce logic. Why? Why, why, why? I don't know how you could even attach an FoS of all things to a notion that does literally nothing to distinguish the post you are looking at from any other post of substance in the game.
It just doesn't click with anything other than scum trying to feign usefulness. Usefulness Roxy wouldn't have feigned if not pressed on by Pierre.
Upcoming exchange gave me red flags. And not happy, Christmas-y ones.
Bunglefever:
...
Christ I forgot EE writes mininovels for posts, but he makes a good point about Pierre prodding at Gheb.
hmm
This should pretty **** clearly just be an acknowledgment of a good point, and an indication that he is mulling on and considering it. Nothing more, and nothing less.
Roxy's all over him right away:
But bunglefever, there is a possibility that Pierre is just trying to be a really forceful town. would you consider that a possibility?
How did this not jump out to more people? I mean... seriously? Roxy vastly overreacted here, and I think her flip for this remark alone could be very illuminating if she were scum.
"Would you consider that a possibility"? He'd never even asserted a conclusion of concrete suspicion!
This reads to me as either newbscum backing up their scumpal (and doing a terrible and blatant job of it), or buddying. Possible thought process: I already went at EE, Pierre's an analytical and strong player, get him on my side and I'm golden.
It's also possible the blatant nature of this is deliberately so, in an attempt to frame Pierre in case Roxy should be lynched and flip scum.
Bungle tells Roxy exactly how dumb that overreaction was. Response:
Well.. alright then.. I'm still not running across anything in particular.
Oh, okay. In that case I have nothing to contribute. EE has said a bunch more, of course, but somehow I have nothing more or less to say about him. I'm just gonna sweep the fact that I ever talked at all under this here rug and sidle over to that window......
The conversation sweeps into a lot of discussion, with the Gheb v Nic thing starting to really take shape. A key point they keep coming back to is Pierre, my point about Pierre, and similar things.
Suddenly Roxy wants to talk again:
I still feel we're picking at something entirely too light and that perhaps we should change the subject.
Roxy wants to change the subject, but doesn't say
why it's too light, or not worth talking about, and most importantly offers
nothing in terms of what to change the subject
to.
I don't like it.
Xonar and Bungle both call Roxy out on this. Response:
Just overall what we should do from here would be the best thing to discuss. This group consists of 16 members, how many can we assume would be against us? can we assume that two roles can potentially protect each other on the town side? Etc.
General setup discussion favored over actual discussion about stuff people have said and their opinions as such? What? You want to change the subject, and that's the best you can come up with? Feels like scum steering the conversation toward fluff.
Super blatant laserpainting-the-moon rolefishing for protective roles. 'nuff said.
Xonar's reply to
red:
Unfruitful discussion as there can be no decision and it will lead to no useful information and semi-rolefishing.
Roxy:
That's understandable. That's usually what i do in large groups like this, unless the setup is generally mafia sided i don't see how it would hurt.
If you you don't see how it would hurt, why would you say it's understandable? Clearly you don't understand the inherent harm, which sounds to me like another overdose of nonconfrontational tendencies.
Most distressingly, Roxy's been called out on pushing a discussion that fishes for protective roles and
continues to do so when called on it. I mean, jesus. Sticking to your guns is one thing, but it's a bad idea when they're guns designed to backfire.
Next post asks Xonar what we should do. I vote for Roxy.
@EE i can understand why you would want to vote me so i'm ignoring it.
Uh, okay then. Don't see how someone could "understand" why I'm voting for them, though, if they don't see what's wrong with rolefishing.
Called out by Rockin for being unhelpful:
It's hard really to step up something with potentially sticking your neck out, at tihs point i'd rather just watch a pick out things that are fishy.
Wow.
Self-interested much? Last time I checked, serving town > staying alive. If you're town, that is, which I find it very difficult to believe Roxy is.
Next post just mentions KevinM meta.
Also, please don't use the "he/she's online" excuse as why they might be scummy. None of us want to say something that would get us lynched, therefore we might need to take time just reading and collecting our words. Don't try to force things, you might force mafia to scumtell sure, but you might force town to **** up something they edit.
I plan to lurk and avoid talking whenever possible, so please don't mention it in the future. It's not a scumtell.
My number one priority is staying alive, before saying something, even if it might be of use to the town.
Don't be forceful, everybody just love everybody and let the time pass. Also, if somebody seems to slip somehow, it's not necessarily a scumtell or anything *shifty eyes*
Roxy was never heard from again.
Tonight on Unsolved Mysteries: What is Roxy up to? Just what team is Roxy playing for? Here's what we know...
-Self-interested behavior -- survival apparently > discussion
-Conscious lurking and avoidance of providing concrete opinion
-Attempts to rolefish, and then justify rolefishing shortly thereafter
-Blows minor observations out of proportion while offering wishywashy ones in return, and vehemently defending someone in no danger
-Baseless and meaningless "points"
-Attempts to steer conversation away from specifics and toward generic discussion that is relatively meaningless.
Furthermore, several people before now have mentioned an opinion on Roxy, and of course several more will do so if Roxy becomes a lynch candidate. I think this discussion can end up telling based on Roxy's flip.
Vote stays.
